What are your thoughts on the Israel fighting going on?

akbuuur

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In any case, those lazer guided bombs did their job, well not really. They barely dented hezbollah and killed 900+ civilians. What I like most about the movie is how they show the damage that these "missiles" cause. Compare that to whole blocks of cities being demolished... a "rocket" would be a more proper term for them.
Can someone please tell me what America gaines from supporting Israel?
 

dogstar

Active Member
Originally Posted by 37g Joe
well the facts hurt for somone who is agaist Israel.
I'll take that, that its directed at me...and if not the I apologize.....but this thread is titled as a protest against a bias media, yet you link your source to bias site.......and then call it facts just made me laugh.......see edit below.
I cant figure why you think I am against Isreal or why you think I am Muslim or a terrorist
when all my comments in the threads have just been anti-war, I have not takeing a side for anyone other than to explain why I think the war is happening and only made comments about how it might have been handled differently...
I dont like seeing anyone suffering, I understand why men fight wars.....I know who rules this world. My God does not put fear or hate in my heart for anyone, he gives me a desire for peace....if you have issues with that then you'll have to take that up with him.....
 

dogstar

Active Member
Originally Posted by akbuuur
Can someone please tell me what America gaines from supporting Israel?

Thats a good question.....I would like to here some answers to that myself but also...
Of coures one could ask why some countries support their enemies....
 

akbuuur

Member
Of coures one could ask why some countries support their enemies....
maybe im too tired but i didnt understand.
 

phixer

Active Member
The number of casualties would be reduced if hezbollah didnt entrench themselves within the civillian population the same way the VC did in Viet Nam. They do this because they are cowards and know they would be crushed if they didnt use the civillian population as a shield. They use the civillian casualties as a propaganda tool to make it look like the innocent civillians are being intentionally targeted by a trigger happy undiciplined opponent. Hezbollah has no problem sending their rockets into civillian neighborhoods either.
We support Israel because it is the right thing to do.
This tiny nation the size of New Jersey has a right to exist.
 

phixer

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Originally Posted by Dogstar
I'll take that, that its directed at me...and if not the I apologize.....but this thread is titled as a protest against a bias media, yet you link your source to bias site.......and then call it facts just made me laugh.......see edit below.
I cant figure why you think I am against Isreal or why you think I am Muslim or a terrorist
when all my comments in the threads have just been anti-war, I have not takeing a side for anyone other than to explain why I think the war is happening and only made comments about how it might have been handled differently...
I dont like seeing anyone suffering, I understand why men fight wars.....I know who rules this world. My God does not put fear or hate in my heart for anyone, he gives me a desire for peace....if you have issues with that then you'll have to take that up with him.....
So what is your position Dog? What choices would you make if you were faced with making these decisions?
 

dogstar

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Originally Posted by Phixer
So what is your position Dog? What choices would you make if you were faced with making these decisions?
If it was that easy !!!,
As I have said, in other threads, wars have been faught from the beginning.....and all nations have blood on their hands. I do not feel that American as a nation is any more innocent than others or any more responsible....It is not what really rules this world.
I am a religously spirtual person and believe that God has said that this world will be as it is....for me to think that I have the power to change that would be to think that I have more power than He does......all I can do is " not " to condemn my own soul and pray for others, speak for peace and as I see the " truth " as God allows ME to see it....some one once asked " what is truth ? "
In the now, as if I was the President and what would I do.....I would not get elected in this country, assasinated more likely.
First thing as representing America...I would confess our sins and ask for forgiveness...
But God controls who become leaders of nations and for what purposes HE will use them for.....I can see what the world's leaders are being used for presently....
I dont expect all people to understand this and as I have said to others here.....How could you, unless God has given them the same spirit.....I can be called " names " as I have been here by some because of what I beleive and thats what I expect because God has said that would happen too.....or worse.
I dont mean to turn the thread into a Religous debate as others seem to, but many have said that is the Muslims religion that is the cause.....of the war....but I know that there are higher powers than men, that control men, and its those powers that I fight.....because its not my " flesh or land " that those powers nor I, are fighting for.................
 

phixer

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:hilarious
"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing."
Edmund Burke
My approach would be different?
 

dogstar

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Originally Posted by Phixer
:hilarious
"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing."
Edmund Burke
My approach would be different?
" Woe unto you that laugh now! for ye shall mourn and weep.............."
" A good man out of the good treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is good............" (KJV)
Jesus of Nazareth
Your approach, just like mine will be judged weather you beleive it or not.....
 

phixer

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Originally Posted by Dogstar
" Woe unto you that laugh now! for ye shall mourn and weep.............."
" A good man out of the good treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is good............" (KJV)
Jesus of Nazareth
Your approach, just like mine will be judged weather you beleive it or not.....

" Woe unto you that laugh now! for ye shall mourn and weep.............."
Originally Posted by Dogstar


.....maybe so
but until that day comes someone has to make real time decisions in this world.
Just wondering what action you would take after the confessing and forgiving part.
 

dogstar

Active Member
Originally Posted by Phixer
Just wondering what action you would take after the confessing and forgiving part.
I cant predict what would happen...did you think I could ? Could you ?? Can you predict what will happen after what " has " happend ?? What has or is being done ??
Im not asking that expecting an answer because I know that no one can't predict that....unless you think you can.
 

37g joe

Member
Originally Posted by Dogstar
I cant predict what would happen...did you think I could ? Could you ?? Can you predict what will happen after what " has " happend ?? What has or is being done ??
Im not asking that expecting an answer because I know that no one can't predict that....unless you think you can.
well What do you think would of happened if the U.S. and britian had done nothing and taken your route to peace during WWII. I know we would be all speaking German. Und das ist Nicht gut Und Du bist nicht Sehr Kluge Meine Freunde.
 

dogstar

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Did you not understand " I can not predict what would happen " are you not that smart.
As I have said, theres been war foever and there always will. As there is now, Untill the end.....If you can not understand my faith like you think you do others.....then thats not my fault....Its Gods choice....
 

mrdc

Active Member
Originally Posted by Dogstar
Thats a good question.....I would like to here some answers to that myself but also...
Of coures one could ask why some countries support their enemies....

I never really saw it has something we gain from. I always saw it as a democratic society in the midst of terrosit lands needing some help. It seems Isreal is getting a lot of flack from it's own people about the way the war went. Not sure if the peolple were against the fighting all together or if they are upset about the cease fire with nothing really accomplished. Did Israel back out due to international pressure or did they find themselves up against a more organized and weapons strapped terrosit group than they were prepared for? Plus it seems that Hez were mixing themselves with civilans making it difficult for the Israelis to bomb them without killing civilians. Anyway, keep the dialgue coming because I am discovering some very interesting facts and points of view!
 

phixer

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Originally Posted by Dogstar
I cant predict what would happen...did you think I could ? Could you ?? Can you predict what will happen after what " has " happend ?? What has or is being done ??
Im not asking that expecting an answer because I know that no one can't predict that....unless you think you can.

Some things are predictable to a high degree of probability. To a high enough degree to make the risks worth taking.
I predict that if an enemy is neutralized their ability to wage war is reduced.
I predict that if I stub my toe it will hurt.
For example:
The prediction that Japan would surrender ending WWII after Hiroshima and Nagaski were bombed.
The prediction that the Soviet Union would remove its missles from Cuba after Kennedys ultimatum.
I predict that you will remain neutral.
 

phixer

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Originally Posted by Dogstar
Well, at least you didn't call me a terrorist....thanks
:hilarious
LOL....nope just intellectual debate to sharpen our wits. :hilarious
 
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