What do you do if you see a shark?

sharkbait9

Active Member
Originally Posted by ophiura
http:///forum/post/2464718
Contrary to popular belief sharks are not going to run up and bite you just because. There is no reason whatsoever to wear chain mail on a regular dive, and in fact, it greatly limits your movements. Basically don't purposely try and annoy them, don't dive in the middle of a feeding frenzy, and just use common sense

I used to dive with these guys all the time....
and would have happily gone in without the chain mail which, IMO, was mostly for the public to see.

WHAT
have you ever had the privilege to be around bull sharks or a tiger?
I can tell you for fact that those two sharks will go after you just for looking like something that will digest in their system. Hell I had a nurse shark latch on to my catch bag.
If your diving and a shark is by you and you can not get out of the water let the air out of your BC and stay at the bottom. As long as you have enough air in your tank that is.
The key is to not panic and try to not look like jesus walking on water.
 

alix2.0

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1journey... thanks for the advice, im gonna remember that for when my cousin and i go diving this november. you can never be too safe!
 

ophiura

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Originally Posted by sharkbait9
http:///forum/post/2467098
WHAT
have you ever had the privilege to be around bull sharks or a tiger?
I can tell you for fact that those two sharks will go after you just for looking like something that will digest in their system. Hell I had a nurse shark latch on to my catch bag.
If your diving and a shark is by you and you can not get out of the water let the air out of your BC and stay at the bottom. As long as you have enough air in your tank that is.
The key is to not panic and try to not look like jesus walking on water.

If you are s p e a r fishing or have bait of any kind, including journeyman's bleeding dive buddy, all bets are off for sure. What was in your catch bag? But as a general rule, IMO, the majority of sharks that be will be around when diving will not just come up and attack just because you are there, that is a misconception, and one the results in a whole lot of dead sharks just "because."
If sharks attacked humans just because, do you think we would ever go in the water? All in all, the number of people attacked by sharks is pretty low.
 

sharkbait9

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Originally Posted by ophiura
http:///forum/post/2467121
If you are s p e a r fishing or have bait of any kind, including journeyman's bleeding dive buddy, all bets are off for sure. What was in your catch bag? But as a general rule, IMO, the majority of sharks that be will be around when diving will not just come up and attack just because you are there, that is a misconception, and one the results in a whole lot of dead sharks just "because."
If sharks attacked humans just because, do you think we would ever go in the water? All in all, the number of people attacked by sharks is pretty low.
I will agree that if your bloodied up yeah your nuts to not think a shark will not come up. The nurse shark wanted my flounder that was in my catch bag, I was not really posting about that. My post was how you stated “that sharks are not going to run up on you” While yeah most sharks are not just going to attack for no reason, not even a white shark with out provoking. However one should be aware that tigers and bull more often bull sharks will run up on you for no other reason then just to bite and get a taste.
Bulls are known to just bite for no reason other then testing, I know. We had to carry a diver out of inlet after getting his tank chomped on after we were warned by other divers that bulls were in the area. No s p e a r fishing no catch bags just a day under the water.
I can whole heartedly say that while I have been on wrecks chasing lobsters I have been “bumped” by sharks and had let a turd float out of my wet suit before. There is no more uneasy feeling knowing and seeing the tail after you’ve been bumped.
That’s all, and as much as I love being under water and a firm believer of look don’t touch, I would rather see bulls sharks in low number over a white shark, sorry but that how I feel.
 

1journeyman

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Originally Posted by ophiura
http:///forum/post/2467121
If you are s p e a r fishing or have bait of any kind, including journeyman's bleeding dive buddy, all bets are off for sure. What was in your catch bag? But as a general rule, IMO, the majority of sharks that be will be around when diving will not just come up and attack just because you are there, that is a misconception, and one the results in a whole lot of dead sharks just "because."
If sharks attacked humans just because, do you think we would ever go in the water? All in all, the number of people attacked by sharks is pretty low.
Exactly right.
Anyone who has observed sharks in their natural element can quickly come to the realization that if a shark wanted to kill ya he could; very easily and very quickly.
As Ophiura pointed out, shark attacks are very infrequent considering the huge number of sharks in waters frequented by people.
A shark latching onto your bait bag is actually a sign of how unlikely they are to bite you. If it wanted your bait it could have just ripped your legs off then took it
 

sharkbait9

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Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2467152
Exactly right.
Anyone who has observed sharks in their natural element can quickly come to the realization that if a shark wanted to kill ya he could; very easily and very quickly.
As Ophiura pointed out, shark attacks are very infrequent considering the huge number of sharks in waters frequented by people.
A shark latching onto your bait bag is actually a sign of how unlikely they are to bite you. If it wanted your bait it could have just ripped your legs off then took it

ok why are you fixed on the nurse shark grabing my bag? yeah its a shark. In jersey nurse and dog sharks are like toilet paper. MY point is bull sharks!!!
 

ophiura

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This is a handy little story on Bull Sharks from National Geographic. Google "national geographic swim where we swim." As with many stories, most of the hype is just that, hype hype hype.
Despite their healthy appetite and aggressive reputation, the animals can be rather docile in some environments. In the clear waters of the Bahamas, for example, divers regularly interact with crowds of bull sharks.
Though the predators may come in close proximity to humans, statistics suggest that swimmers, surfers, and divers have little to fear from bull sharks.
The United States averages just 16 shark attacks each year and slightly fewer than one shark-attack fatality every two years. Meanwhile, lightning kills more than 41 people each year in the coastal U.S. states alone.
 

ophiura

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BTW, the shark in the picture is a sand tiger shark, which you should know very well from the east coast, and there were 5 full grown adults in this tank. One of the species that has attacked people, and yes...I would still dive with them without the chain mail....even in a situation where they were quite literally "backed into a corner."
I have teeth to show they would go through the chain mail anyway.
 

1journeyman

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Originally Posted by sharkbait9
http:///forum/post/2467158
ok why are you fixed on the nurse shark grabing my bag? yeah its a shark. In jersey nurse and dog sharks are like toilet paper. MY point is bull sharks!!!
Fair enough... I live in Texas. Compare the millions of people who swim off Padre Island and the rest of the Texas coast with the hundreds of thousands sharks we have, including Bull Sharks.
Now look at the few number of attacks.
 
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regina13

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Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2464629
Pray.
Worse case scenario, carry a dive knife and when a shark gets too close use it..................... to make sure the guy closest to you is bleeding. The sharks will go to him, and you can get out of the water.
I like the way you think!!!!
 

tarball

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Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2467207
Fair enough... I live in Texas. Compare the millions of people who swim off Padre Island and the rest of the Texas coast with the hundreds of thousands sharks we have, including Bull Sharks.
Now look at the few number of attacks.

I agree, I've spent the majority of my life fishing the Texas coast. I've caught 2 types of sharks in the surf regularly. Black tips & hammerheads. Black tips by far, over anything else.
I do know that Bull sharks come in large numbers to spawn just beyond the sand bars in early spring. "Very large numbers" but they normally don't move in between the sand bars.
The 2 things that concern me more then sharks in the surf are jelly fish & big blue claw crabs.
I had a large blue claw latch onto my toe one time that made a believer out of me!!!... he was one bad dude...
 

stdreb27

Active Member
Originally Posted by ophiura
http:///forum/post/2464718
Contrary to popular belief sharks are not going to run up and bite you just because. There is no reason whatsoever to wear chain mail on a regular dive, and in fact, it greatly limits your movements. Basically don't purposely try and annoy them, don't dive in the middle of a feeding frenzy, and just use common sense

I used to dive with these guys all the time....
and would have happily gone in without the chain mail which, IMO, was mostly for the public to see.

How do I get your job?
 

stdreb27

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Oh please, sharks eating people is way just salacious journalism and a couple people in the wrong place at the wrong time. I've been fishing in the surf and had 3 foot sand sharks swim inbetween my legs. They aren't going to bite you unless you tick em off, or they think you're food.
 

sharkbait9

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Exactly my point with most sharks, they are not going to bite or attack a person, its journalism hype.
As to the nurse shark, yeah duh, I had a catch bag half filled with bleeding flopping flounder. I knew the nurse and dogs were hanging out in the inlet so it was to be expected. Where we dive, you can't swing a dead shark with out hitting one.
Out of all the sharks that I have seen under water.. tigers, thrashers, white tips, nurse, sand, dogs, and bulls the only one that bothers me is bulls sharks. Knowing and learning their personalities and how they handle themselfs, not a nice shark.
I can’t understand especially you ophiura, would put false hope that swimming with shark “as not a big deal“. If I remember correctly Camden, Jekinsons and Baltimore aquariums all said that when “our staff enters the water the sharks have been well feed”.
Could it not be as simple as nurture or nature? If sharks in an aquarium know that food will be plentiful at certain times (yes I know animals can not tell time by numbers) that their hunting skills are a little rusty over time?
When we were over in keys, Bahamas and Cancun and did the “dive with shark tours” and they give that stick to feed the sharks with, I was not to keen on the idea of being around the feedbox.
After a while you see the sharks seem to know what the deal is. Sure I’m a little bit timid when we go off wrecks and I bring a powder stick with me. Have I had to use it? No. I can tell you too that when your grabbing a lobster from a hole and shaking the crap out of it to disorientate it since we can’t use tickle sticks in NJ, you make a lot of panic/injured waves and commotion in the water and sharks key in on those noises, as you know.
The sharks dart over real quick and seemed to just mossy on away as nothing was wrong when the sell of blood is non existent and the stimuli is gone .
Knowing that most sharks can not hit a meal or test something straight on, they have to have an upward angle (minor angle but still an angle) but the bull can hit straight on or even downward.
Now going back to the nurture or nature argument, if sharks are not constantly around “these things” that bring us food like the tourist traps do and they are always on the hunt for food, then what makes a shark that has no human interaction safe to be around? I’m not talking the sharks that people swim and feed. I’m talking about the shark that makes his way over to bite and shake the daylights out of a scuba tank?
The whole thing boils down to if your underwater and you see a shark don’t panic if your pressure allows drop down and let them pass, don’t make a mad dash for the surface.
I don’t care what shark it is either. You ever P.O a dog shark? They are like gang banger you P.O one they come back with a couple more to get even.
And I don’t care who you are, when it comes to watching some schlep get his tank banged up by a bull shark when he was getting into the water with out provocation, he did not even have fins on yet.
I don’t see to may pictures or doc’s with people hanging around bulls sharks all casual and care free in the wild.
Who was the film maker ankle deep in water when a bull came up and took a nice chunk out of his calf for no reason? What was the provocation their?
Now I normally will not dispute any your comment or skills or knowledge ophiura, but damn, I believe I have read enough books and watch shark doc;s where multiple researchers have stated bulls can be more ferocious and indiscriminative then whites when it comes to outright attacks and testing. Car parts, boots, turtle shells, license plates the list goes on. All found in bulls stomachs.
Come on, you want to handle those sharks with kid gloves? Have it, good luck with that. If a bulls within my sticks reach there getting a little powder pop OR I’ll go with journeys idea and cut the diver next to me.
 

m0nk

Active Member
Originally Posted by ophiura
http:///forum/post/2464718
Contrary to popular belief sharks are not going to run up and bite you just because. There is no reason whatsoever to wear chain mail on a regular dive, and in fact, it greatly limits your movements. Basically don't purposely try and annoy them, don't dive in the middle of a feeding frenzy, and just use common sense

I used to dive with these guys all the time....
and would have happily gone in without the chain mail which, IMO, was mostly for the public to see.

That's awesome, I'm jealous. It's definitely something I want to do.
 

sharkbait9

Active Member
let me clear one thing up, I’m not trying to be an A-hole with this, but most people thank god don't come in contact with these sharks everyday. I had the misfortune of seeing a bull shark bite a scuba tank in real life. So I maybe a little jaded with these sharks but then again I can't count how many times I have dove in point pleasant and Belmar and other site up down the coast of NJ and see these sharks cruising around.
 
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