What is the world coming to. Please look

petjunkie

Active Member
Wow, you guys make it sound like socialism is taking over! Hardly, have you ever talked to a socalist? I have some buddies in YSA and I don't ever see that happening to this country. They want everyone to rise up against the government and have a revolution
. Do you honestly believe they could ever get enough Americans to agree long enough to do that? It sounds more like a case of teaching kids how to share and how power can affect people, sounds better than the nothing my teachers taught. It's a little extreme but interesting to see how the kids dealt with it and how the Legos affected them. If you read the article they were portraying a perfect little power circle just like the way our government is run and will most likely continue to run forever because we're too concerned with crapping all over non-issues like this one.
 

sepulatian

Moderator
Originally Posted by lion_crazz
Sepulatian, I totally agree with you on that. I think that is a totally different issue, but I agree, more kids should be given individual attention.
I see where one may think the two issues could be related. Things are being distributed the same way in both cases. However, in the Hill Center, we are dealing with a property issue. Property is being distributed the same - property that belongs to the Hill Center (thus saying they can distribute it any way they see fit). In the public schools you are referring to, we are dealing with a lack of education because everything is the same for everyone. That is a major fault to the government for not providing the education the student requires. Education is a fundemental right of all American citizens, so the improper distribution of the education is a direct failure of the local, state, and possibly national government.
hm, I must have read this topic wrong. I was under the impression that we were talking about how ridiculous political correctness has become and making kids all be the same. No better no worse. I agree that it is the right of a private daycare to distribute things as they see fit. I thought the reason this daycare distributed the legos a certain way was so that one child couldn't build thier house larger than another childs or their feelings would be hurt. They certainly have the right to do whatever they want in their own daycare, that doesn't make their reasoning right. Maybe I completely read this thread wrong.
 

pontius

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According to the article, the students had been building an elaborate "Legotown," but it was accidentally demolished. The teachers decided its destruction was an opportunity to explore "the inequities of private ownership." According to the teachers, "Our intention was to promote a contrasting set of values: collectivity, collaboration, resource-sharing, and full democratic participation."
The children were allegedly incorporating into Legotown "their assumptions about ownership and the social power it conveys." These assumptions "mirrored those of a class-based, capitalist society -- a society that we teachers believe to be unjust and oppressive."
They claimed as their role shaping the children's "social and political understandings of ownership and economic equity ... from a perspective of social justice."
So they first explored with the children the issue of ownership. Not all of the students shared the teachers' anathema to private property ownership. "If I buy it, I own it," one child is quoted saying. The teachers then explored with the students concepts of fairness, equity, power, and other issues over a period of several months.
At the end of that time, Legos returned to the classroom after the children agreed to several guiding principles framed by the teachers, including that "All structures are public structures" and "All structures will be standard sizes." The teachers quote the children:
"A house is good because it is a community house."
"We should have equal houses. They should be standard sizes."
"It's important to have the same amount of power as other people over your building."
read the above. this has NOTHING to do with 'political correctness' or even with Legos, this has to do with school children being taught that democracy and capitalism is wrong and that a socialist society should be what they strive for.
 

lion_crazz

Active Member
I am not really looking to argue over the issue of socialism. I am not a socialist by any means.
I am just trying to point out that the Hill Center is not that big of a deal. This kind of stuff happens all over the country. Take for instance Bob Jones University. Have you ever heard of that college in South Carolina? Check out some of the rules of that place on Wikipedia and tell me that place is not a cult. Who would make the conscious choice to send their child there? People do though - judging by the 4,000 kids who go there.
There are extremities all over the country. Taking away legos seems pretty minor when you think about all of the rules this school has. In the end, it all comes down to the choice of the parent.
Sep, that was not how I took the discussion. I do agree with you, the education system needs to change its teaching methodologies so that children can get the education that they, personally, require.
 

phixer

Active Member
Originally Posted by Pontius
and people not speaking up and getting in our political leaders' faces is true, because this country is quickly becoming a socialist country. only the examples aren't so blatant as the story in Seattle.
socialism doesn't work for anybody except those in power (and the lazy and shiftless).
This is true, the problem with socialism is that it brings everyone down. Its easy to throw a blanket policy out instead of holding those responsible accountable.
One should not have to pull their kid out of a school because of this, the PTA should make this decision not the school. This type of mentality and lunacy spreads like a cancer if ignored and needs to be addressed and stopped in its earliest stages before it becomes the norm.
 

christiiiii

Member
I love this tread.
I live in Michigan, work in a school, and I had the worst bush hating teachers you'll ever meet in high school. It's nice to hear opinions similar to mine.
In high school I had a math teacher who said someone should go out and murder Bush and his entire family, after that she went on to say Bill Clinton was the best president the US has ever seen she told her class of 14 and 15 year old freshman that if the president can't get head, than who can. The school did nothing when 3 parents complained, but it didn't matter because she was "asked to leave" the following year for having an inappropriate relationship with a male student. :hilarious
 

sharkboy13

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well last i checked this thread was about kids not bein able to play w/ legos :notsure: seems its taken a nasty turn
 

seattle

Member
I just though of something funny. :joy: Find a Batfish Picture identicle to Lion's and use it as my avatar
 

triga22

Active Member
lol. That how I know who is talking. When people change them I think that they are new. Like reefkprz just changed his and I had to look twice to see who it was.
 

michaeltx

Moderator
This thread to me has served its purpose and completely change topic from the original to imagrants to socialism and now its about avatars! ?! !!? !?
come on atlest try to stay on topic within these posts.!!!!!
I just read through the entire thing and most of what is being said is taken out of context and nothing to do with the legos some school wont let the children play with.
So the topic has ended now.
Mike
 
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