What must the Republican party do?

rylan1

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Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2828352
I talked with a local today. He asked me what I thought about the election. I smiled and asked "what do you think about the election". He said; "You know, Saddam was a good talker. He promised us everything. We had no running water, but he promised us a lot...."
I disagree that President Bush sat us back to the Stone Age. I believe, in the coming years, the success of the War on Terror will become an example for future models of warfare. I also believe the Middle East will forever be changed because of our presence and the founding of a Democracy in its heart.
For Conservatives, President Bush let us down; Let's not forget, however, Senator McCain lead one of the greatest rebellions against Conservatives in the Senate.
I agree with much of Sangria's well-written post.
Yea, but its too bad he voted with him over 90% of the time... so you do have to attribute in part the bad policies of the last 8 years to McCain.. The problem with McCain is he sold himself out after the 2000 defeat.
 

darthtang aw

Active Member
Originally Posted by kjr_trig
http:///forum/post/2828269
George Bush has set our party back to the Stone Age.
A more apt statement could not have been made. AS the first republican President stated many years ago, we are a house divided.
The republican party has divided.
Here is what I see and why.
The republican platform needs to adjust away from the christian and Roe V wade platforms. Campaigning on religion and abortion are moves of the past. These are personal choices now based off of previous rulings and should not be legislatured. sure some aspects need to be, the idea of overturning roe V wade does nothing for this country.
See here is how I look at it from a religous percpective. It is in God's hands now and he has a plan. Obviously this was the case the day the ruling came down on Roe V wade. The party campaigns on teen pregnancy option instead of not caring about those with teen pregnancies, because face it, Roe V wade is bigger issue for young adults/older teenagers. This decision does not affect people over 25 as the majority of abortions are not done by people over this age...morally the population has evolved when it comes to having these abortions. Abortion has steadily declined for a while now.
The overturning of this ruling would not affect much as it would not be banned but given to the states to decide, and the good majority of states would vote to keep it legal. So in the end, what does campaigning on this accomplish? Nothing truly...abortion would still occur. Those states with the highest number of abortions would still continue to have them. So what is gained by campaigning on an issue that in truth is a non factor in the average day to day lives of a U.S. citizen.
Next issue, religion. Who cares? The religious do, but by stating you will run the country from religious view point alienates a good amount of republicans as well. Stating you are christian and will defend religious entities and rights is redundant. Everyone has the freedom to worship as they wish. My son still can pray in school (he has done it), just because prayer is no longer a mandatory thing does not mean this issue should be ran on. While we were founded on basic religious principals, this does not mean religion should be the cornerstone from the government leans on. Sure, consult your god, pray, but do this in private, a personal relationship with god is what all christian's strive for, so govern with a personal relationship....not a public one. How many christians that own businesses harp/preach to their employees about religion? so Why should our leaders of the country?
Those two platforms need done way with.
What do they run one?
Accountability.---No excuse anymore when questionable actions are found, excuse examble "well John Kerry did something similar"....we are not the party of John Kerry....someone screws up or is doing questionable actions, they are gone...end of it.
BALANCED BUDGET---alot of good heathcare reform will be when we borrow the money from china to pay for it. Right now our money is worth crap and owe to many countries money....because we want we want we want more....at some point the credit company you borrow from will come collect...if you are in debt but balanced you still can not pay your debt, just the interest. We need to balance budget and pay off debt.
Realistic Taxes, not lower taxes, but realistic and affordable...affordable.....possibly even a fair tax option...except food and clothes
Veterans....more benefits...this is a social program I will always support and feel we should spend more here...If attacked for voting against a vet bill....EXPLAIN WHY...like all the pork the dems add these bills.
Tighten government spending....and give examples, call people out, throw them under the bus....
No pork....absolutely no pork...If the pork is a good thing it can have it's own bill....and pass
Prevent further action against the frame work of the constitution.
Basically the republican party needs to simplify...right now we campaign on to many issues.....simplify it and run less risk of alienating one person on one item, like myself this election...I have two issues I care about, balanced budget and less spending....I did not see that this campaign from either McCain or Obama.
 

sangria

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Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2828352
I agree with much of Sangria's well-written post.
*blushes*
Yes, I read through these boards frequently and normally just say nothing, but those days are over for me.
It shows me how lost the Republican Party is when the well-versed democrats don't know what we stand for.
 

reefraff

Active Member
Originally Posted by sangria
http:///forum/post/2828217
I read these all the time and never say anything... but since this last election I will be silent no more.
I am not religious (althouth I grew up Catholic). I have nothing against gays. I am very conservative in spending. I am the person who would say "lower my taxes so I can pay for college." Instead of "Give us all college educations with taxpayer money." Judge me if you will. I live in one of the highest taxed states and they claim its for education, but tuition still goes up almost every year and no huge leaps have been made in education.
The Republicans are going down without a fight. The public relations committee is horrible. The democratic campaign has more to work with, but WE KNEW THIS!!! We know we're up against the media, and we just limped along. Bush didn't help matters any. He has all but been nonexistent the last four years. A lot of the Republicans who voted for him were upset by his "moderate" stance (including me). The liberals hated him anyway, so there was no point in trying to appease them. He lost a lot of support by trying to be bipartisan.
I won't go as far as to say we should ignore the moderate vote, but I will say that moderates like people who are strong leaders. That will likely sway them more than anything else. McCain did not portray that well. He also just let it go that the media covered up Obama's ties with radicals and terrorists. Maybe Obama hasn't told a single lie and it just appears he surrounded himself with questionable people, but I find it unlikely.
I am so proud that the president-elect is an African American. Unfortunately he is also a radical leftist and surrounds himself with people who are, at best, highly questionable.
The Repubican Party needs to drop the religious element. It needs to hold onto the Christians, by proving their right to religion will be protected, but alienating gays and other religions is driving the party into the ground. Roe V Wade will never be overturned, so we need to show we respect a woman's rights (I am a woman) but offer alternatives to abortion. We need to show that a strong defense and fiscal conservatism are positives and instead we allowed scandal and the "moderate" movement to all but kill the party.
 

reefraff

Active Member
Originally Posted by kjr_trig
http:///forum/post/2828269
George Bush has set our party back to the Stone Age. Obviously all that is wrong with the economy is not his fault, the sub-prime mortgages started under Clinton, that was the biggest cause of this disaster. But GW had a horrible 2nd term.
The Republicans still have the right philosophy in our country, it's just going to take some time for people to figure it out again.
Once Obama gets in office and his screwy policies start into effect, people will understand....He is a charismatic, brilliant speaker that people fell in love with. His policies are still horrible.
Bushes downward spiral started with trying to solve the social security problem.. Gotta give him credit for stepping up to the plate even if his idea was 20 years too late to work.
Now it's Obama's turn. Lets see if he has the guts to take a swing.
 

reefraff

Active Member
Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2828357
Anybody running for President should not write any group off.. and as I said its not about what I say about the Free Market... its the reality of the current system we have in place..
As for as socialist tendacies republicans speak of Obama... he is not doing anything different... people making $250k would simply go back to the tax rates they paid before Bush... this is not some drastic change...
And its not about pleasing everyone... what its about is speaking to everyone... your party doesn't do this...His biggest flaw in his campaign is that he catered to voters he already had... conservatives because even though they weren't enthused before Palin, they were not going to vote for Obama... So after the decision to choose Palin... which further sold the conservative base... he should have focused his message on the middle class and moderates and independents... This campaign was just simply out of touch.
WHile it isn't smart to "write off" any group it is also foolish to sink resources digging for gold in a turnip patch. Decades of brainwashing is hard to overcome. I am still amazed by the number of black people who demonize the Republican party for opposing the civil right movement. How do you combat that type of ignorance? The problem is that after the lie has been repeated over a few decades it's about impossible to set the record straight.
It's just like hispanics this election. They voted against McCain because of the media really but it was the way the media portrayed the illegal immigration issue really. John McCain backed the amnesty plan for God's sake
This is where the Republicans need to place their resources.
 

stdreb27

Active Member
Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2828352
I talked with a local today. He asked me what I thought about the election. I smiled and asked "what do you think about the election". He said; "You know, Saddam was a good talker. He promised us everything. We had no running water, but he promised us a lot...."
I disagree that President Bush sat us back to the Stone Age. I believe, in the coming years, the success of the War on Terror will become an example for future models of warfare. I also believe the Middle East will forever be changed because of our presence and the founding of a Democracy in its heart.
For Conservatives, President Bush let us down; Let's not forget, however, Senator McCain lead one of the greatest rebellions against Conservatives in the Senate.
I agree with much of Sangria's well-written post.
I think he meant the party. And I've been considering Bush's presidency in relationship to how his party preformed and the ideology of the party. And well I tend to agree. Bush's views on the presidency as a noble position. Is simply out of date. His presidency made it clear you can't operate under the assumption that the opposing party has the best interest of the country at heart. They are slaves to their ideology and their lust for power, not servants to the people and the constitution.
Nor will attempting to govern by reaching across the isle. From Bush's calls for a debate on what to do with social security, his positions on campaign finance reform, immigration, education, and the bailout. He's done what they asked, "worked with the liberals". Yet despite all that, he's been saddled with the failures of these "bi-partisan" plans. And stripped of the credit for program's success.
Bush wasn't an ideologue, he wasn't a representative of the extreme right wing. His views are representative of a bygone era of bipartisanship where we had different views but the same goals.
However noble, today this is like batting against Roger Clemens with 2 strikes and swinging with the barrel of the bat in your hands. Trying to hit the ball with the bat handle.
Ideas no matter whose need to be constantly taught. And during the Bush administration, these concepts were not only inadequately articulated, they were abandoned in certain cases like spending, education, and over the last year the free market.
So when I consider these things, although it wasn't Bush actively undermining the values and economic policy of conservative ideology. The lack of leadership on his part allowed others to undermine the power they held.
 

stdreb27

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One question, now I know these numbers are polls but why abandon a segment of the population the "christian right" that consitutes what some estimate 20% of the voting population?
Doesn't make sense to me...
 

reefraff

Active Member
Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2828523
One question, now I know these numbers are polls but why abandon a segment of the population the "christian right" that consitutes what some estimate 20% of the voting population?
Doesn't make sense to me...
Be a big mistake considering a majority of Americans agree with them on most issues.
 

1journeyman

Active Member

Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2828360
Yea, but its too bad he voted with him over 90% of the time... so you do have to attribute in part the bad policies of the last 8 years to McCain.. The problem with McCain is he sold himself out after the 2000 defeat.
Unless he voted a bunch of times in the last couple of weeks, the number is below 90%.
Ironically, over 90% describes the percentage of voting party lines Obama
has while in the US Senate...
 

1journeyman

Active Member
Originally Posted by sangria
http:///forum/post/2828418
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It shows me how lost the Republican Party is when the well-versed democrats don't know what we stand for.
Well, to be fair, we've often had to explain to the Democrats what their candidate believes as well...
 

stdreb27

Active Member
Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2828360
The problem with McCain is he sold himself out after the 2000 defeat.
Another twilight zone moment brought to you by Rylan. What planet have you lived on for the last 8 years.
 

zman1

Active Member
The irony - we know what the Republican Party stands for and this is not what it pratices... This is why the Party was rejected in the House, Senate and White house. So all the
won't get it back. Pontius and Norty actually hit the message for me...
 

stdreb27

Active Member
Originally Posted by zman1
http:///forum/post/2829204
The irony - we know what the Republican Party stands for and this is not what it pratices...
The republican party over last 4 years have definitely abandoned their conservative roots that got them there.
 

1journeyman

Active Member
Originally Posted by zman1
http:///forum/post/2829204
The irony - we know what the Republican Party stands for and this is not what it pratices... This is why the Party was rejected in the House, Senate and White house. So all the
won't get it back. Pontius and Norty actually hit the message for me...
So if the Republican Party would have been more Conservative the last 8 years you would have supported it? Please...
 

zman1

Active Member
Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2829240
So if the Republican Party would have been more Conservative the last 8 years you would have supported it? Please...
You know, you an I have been over this many times. I was lied to and cheated by the party when I supported them. I see them for what they are. Shall I repost the National Debt numbers with the rebublican timesframes again or link the posts here? You PLEASE....
When having to pick between two evils, pick one you haven't tried before....
 

socal57che

Active Member
Originally Posted by zman1
http:///forum/post/2829243
You know, you an I have been over this many times. I was lied and cheated by the party when I supported them. I see them for what they are. Shall I repost the National Debt numbers with the rebublican timesframes again or link the posts here? You PLEASE....
When having to pick between two evils, pick one you haven't tried before....

...chuck baldwin...
 

jaymz

Member
Im glad to see some red blooded republicans think sean hannity is a joke. I still love listening to his show. He is good for a couple jaw dropping comments ever hour or so.
I live in the RED RED state of indiana. and in the county I live in not a single republican won. I couldnt beleive it.
 
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