While you were sleeping.............

[dragonzim]

From the DOD...
The U.S. Department of Defense has never and will never single out a particular religious group for persecution or prosecution. The Department makes reasonable accommodations for all religions and celebrates the religious diversity of our service members.
Service members can share their faith, but must not force unwanted, intrusive attempts to convert others of any faith or no faith to one’s beliefs
If a service member harasses another member on the basis of race, color, sex, religion, national origin, age, or disability, then the commander takes action based on the gravity of the occurrence. Likewise, when religious harassment complaints are reported, commanders take action based on the gravity of the occurrence on a case by case basis.
Link to article...
http://www.commonwealmagazine.org/blog/?p=26987

 

[darthtang aw]

I love how Darth throws a firecracker in the room, then discretely sits it out.  LOL
Damn, caught that did you.....
I have my thoughts and comments of course, Unfortunantely you have to wait till most likely this evening. As I am strapped for time.....and it is longgggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggg.
Darth (not talking about my future comments) Tang

 

[reefraff]

Quote:
Originally Posted by SnakeBlitz33 http:///t/395415/while-you-were-sleeping#post_3520265
I would hate to be in some kind of battle and my fellow soldier didnt have my back because of my personal religious beliefs.
And that is exactly the mind of judgement calls that some of those fundamentalist christians make.
And would you have the same concern about an inner city Black not having a redneck's back, or visa versa? There's a lot of both in the military.

 

[darthtang aw]

Beth was on the right course. I am not surprised...but even her course was wrong to a degree. The articles linked implied a support for the news story written.
However, the entire news story is a falsehood.........It is wrong, and nothing of the sort is coming down the pipeline.
http://www.militaryreligiousfreedom.org/2013/05/commonweal-no-the-pentagon-wont-court-martial-service-members-for-sharing-their-faith/
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2013/05/01/no-christian-post-mikey-weinstein-was-not-hired-by-the-pentagon/
I actually support what militaryreligiousfreedom.org is doing. It is not trying to prevent christians from following their faith or preaching and sharing their faith. It is preventing officers from ordering their soldiers to participate in prayers and such...that is what it is concerned with. Forced worship........
Darth (apparently no one cares about the second story) tang

 

[beth]

Actually, as I read more articles today, I discovered that it was pretty much a false rumor starting to circulate.

 

[2quills]

This mean we can all go back to sleep now?

 

[darthtang aw]

Actually, as I read more articles today, I discovered that it was pretty much a false rumor starting to circulate.
What surprised me were the number of people on the forum that were ok and actually supportive of this and blatantly ignored the constitutionality of such action as it was written about.....

 

[2quills]

Im surprised that you're surprised. Especially when you already know that most folks these days could give two shoots about anyone else's constitutional rights unless it happens to effect something that they actually care about.

 

[beth]

The constitution does not say that people can proselytize during work hours and on the job site or harass others concerning their religious beliefs. The constitution does say that Congress will make no law prohibiting the free exercise of religion. Workplace policies regarding no religious activities in the workplace, or the harassment of others does not violate this. Military policies are not laws enacted by Congress.
I was ok with it because religion has no place on the job. Freedom is two sided. The Jew, Muslim, Buddhist, or atheist who want nothing to do with someones else's Christian beliefs should not be harassed or bullied for their own beliefs. I have no problem with zero tolerance for religious activities during work, or on the work site. Same goes for political activities, or running your own basement business on the job. There should be zero tolerance for harassing and bullying.

 

[beth]

Quote:
Originally Posted by 2Quills http:///t/395415/while-you-were-sleeping/20#post_3520353
Im surprised that you're surprised. Especially when you already know that most folks these days could give two shoots about anyone else's constitutional rights unless it happens to effect something that they actually care about.
This is a bit of an insult to some of us participating in this topic. I am a staunch supporter of the Constitution. However, the rights given to us is for ALL, not just one group or the other.

 

[2quills]

This is a bit of an insult to some of us participating in this topic.  I am a staunch supporter of the Constitution.  However, the rights given to us is for ALL, not just one group or the other.
Ya think? If you took it that way then I'm sorry for ya. It's not an insult to make a simple observation of what's going on all over this country right now. It's as plain as day to some of us.

 

[2quills]

Sorry, Beth that was rude of me. I haven't had a smoke in a couple of days so I'm a little on edge right now. Nothin personal.

 

[darthtang aw]

The constitution does not say that people can proselytize during work hours and on the job site or harass others concerning their religious beliefs.  The constitution does say that Congress will make no law prohibiting the free exercise of religion.  Workplace policies regarding no religious activities in the workplace, or the harassment of others does not violate this.   Military policies are not laws enacted by Congress.
I was ok with it because religion has no place on the job.  Freedom is two sided.  The Jew, Muslim, Buddhist, or atheist who want nothing to do with someones else's Christian beliefs should not be harassed or bullied for their own beliefs.  I have no problem with zero tolerance for religious activities during work, or on the work site.  Same goes for political activities, or running your own basement business on the job.  There should be zero tolerance for harassing and bullying.
Harrassing and bullying I agree with. But what defines this? a platoon leader praying before a training mission? Asking his god for safety?

 

[beth]

Quote:
Originally Posted by 2Quills http:///t/395415/while-you-were-sleeping/20#post_3520369
Sorry, Beth that was rude of me. I haven't had a smoke in a couple of days so I'm a little on edge right now. Nothin personal.
No problem! If you're quitting smoking, good for you.

 

[beth]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///t/395415/while-you-were-sleeping/20#post_3520370
Harrassing and bullying I agree with. But what defines this? a platoon leader praying before a training mission? Asking his god for safety?
Not at all, its not harassing. But if he is requiring others to join in a prayer, then yes that is wrong. Personal religious beliefs and practices should remain personal to that person, not imposed on others. Even among Christians there is a whole lot of varying beliefs and religious practices. There are denominations who do not believe in Hell, Fire, and Brimstone and who do not embrace that everyone who is not a Christian will be going to Hell. Freedom of religion means you will not be persecuted or deprived of your rights because of your religion. It doesn't mean that you are free to impose your beliefs on others.

 

[darthtang aw]

Not at all, its not harassing.  But if he is requiring others to join in a prayer, then yes that is wrong.  Personal religious beliefs and practices should remain personal to that person, not imposed on others.  Even among Christians there is a whole lot of varying beliefs and religious practices.  There are denominations who do not believe in Hell, Fire, and Brimstone and who do not embrace that everyone who is not a Christian will be going to Hell.  Freedom of religion means you will not be persecuted or deprived of your rights because of your religion.  It doesn't mean that you are free to impose your beliefs on others.
Good. Exactly what I expected you to say.
Ok,Now moving on. The other crazy link I posted. The morning after pill I have no problem with. My question...which apparently no one thought of....how do you verify a 15 year olds age? No DL,No picture ID, how do you know she isnt a 13 year old?

 

[beth]

The requirement is that you have a government issued ID. So, if you don't have that, then you don't get it. A government issue ID could be a driver's license.

 

[darthtang aw]

The requirement is that you have a government issued ID.  So, if you don't have that, then you don't get it.  A government issue ID could be a driver's license.
True, but what 15 year old has a drivers license?

 

[beth]

Learner's Permit.

 

[darthtang aw]

Learner's Permit.
No photo......on a learners permit in all states.