While you were sleeping.............

[theclemsonkid]

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Originally Posted by 2Quills http:///t/395415/while-you-were-sleeping/40#post_3520565
The left has no comment on the matter? Aside from personal beliefs or selfish reasons it's also about the greater good of the nation as a whole. We could be stronger and more competitive if we had less dependants.
But other wise, yeah. I'd like to keep more of my own money. Who actually wants to be forced to cover others simply because of the poor choices they make or because they want to collect a check for doing nothing? Where is my choice? Because if it were up to me I'd cut the vast majority of them off of the goverenments teet. If that makes me a jerk then so be it.
I guess I just look at it from a strictly dollars and cents aspect. If the morning after pill is a one time cost of $50 (or whatever it is, I have no idea), put that up against if the kid is born, and immediately becomes a problem of the state. The cost for that child for 18 years, and possibly into their adult life, will exceed tens of, if not hundreds of thousands of dollars. So in simplest terms you have $50 vs $50,000+
Which makes more sense?

 

[darthtang aw]

If it is a dollars and cents argument. Then why not execute criminals of manslaughter and murder instead of giving multiple life sentences and multiple appeals? Sometimes money doesnt justify the reason.

 

[darthtang aw]

If it is a dollars and cents argument. Then why not execute criminals of manslaughter and murder instead of giving multiple life sentences and multiple appeals? Sometimes money doesnt justify the reason.

 

[darthtang aw]

If it is a dollars and cents argument. Then why not execute criminals of manslaughter and murder instead of giving multiple life sentences and multiple appeals? Sometimes money doesnt justify the reason.

 

[beth]

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///t/395415/while-you-were-sleeping/60#post_3520568
If it is a dollars and cents argument. Then why not execute criminals of manslaughter and murder instead of giving multiple life sentences and multiple appeals? Sometimes money doesnt justify the reason.
They can execute all who commit willful, premeditated murder in my book. They can also execute convicted child rapists and pornographers as well. Of course, no one listens to me.
They can also require girls who have babies that they can't support to give that baby up for adoption. That is the best option for the baby! This would come after there was not any family alternative to raise the baby or efforts by the parents do become independent. If this was in place up front, then maybe idiotic girls wouldn't just think that popping a baby is so cool.

 

[reefraff]

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Originally Posted by TheClemsonKid http:///t/395415/while-you-were-sleeping/40#post_3520556
Just playing devils advocate here...
On one hand, you have the conservative base (and some right leaning liberals as well), who love to complain in one form or another that "I'm so sick of my money going to support these do-nothing mothers popping out kids when they're 15". Ok, fair enough.
On the other hand, you have these same conservative and right leaning liberals as well, condemning the fact that now teens are able to get a hold of the morning after pill, which would, in theory, stop at least some of that first problem.
So the real question is, would you rather stick to your moral/religious beliefs, or have more money in your pocket in the long run?
What a typically American question. Money, money, money vs. morals.
I don't think any female 18 or older should be denied an abortion, within reason. After the second trimester only in the case of the physical health of the mother and married women should have to notify (but not ask permission) of their husband. In the case of minors I am a strong supporter of parental notification but not permission in most cases. I don't think any kid should be provided any medical care other than emergencies without their parent's knowledge and in most cases consent. Just not sure at what age a girl should have the choice of abortion or baby. 15 and up maybe.

 

[darthtang aw]

I don't think any female 18 or older should be denied an abortion, within reason. After the second trimester only in the case of the physical health of the mother and married women should have to notify (but not ask permission) of their husband. In the case of minors I am a strong supporter of parental notification but not permission in most cases. I don't think any kid should be provided any medical care other than emergencies without their parent's knowledge and in most cases consent. Just not sure at what age a girl should have the choice of abortion or baby. 15 and up maybe.
Most schools wont allow children to bring tylenol or other over the counter medications without those items being provided by the parents to a school nurse and forms filled out. This is dictated by federal and state laws. Does anyone see a disconnect here?

 

[reefraff]

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///t/395415/while-you-were-sleeping/60#post_3520594
Most schools wont allow children to bring tylenol or other over the counter medications without those items being provided by the parents to a school nurse and forms filled out. This is dictated by federal and state laws. Does anyone see a disconnect here?
There was an incident where a girl was expelled for giving her friend a Mydol.

 

[beth]

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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///t/395415/while-you-were-sleeping/60#post_3520707
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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///t/395415/while-you-were-sleeping/60#post_3520594
Most schools wont allow children to bring tylenol or other over the counter medications without those items being provided by the parents to a school nurse and forms filled out. This is dictated by federal and state laws. Does anyone see a disconnect here?
There was an incident where a girl was expelled for giving her friend a Mydol.
There are many incidents of kids being expelled because they have OTC with them at school.

 

[reefraff]

A kid just got a 2 day suspension for pretending his pencil was a gun.......... Our country is doomed.

 

[beth]

A mass exodus from public schools is needed as a wake up call.

 

[snakeblitz33]

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///t/395415/while-you-were-sleeping/60#post_3520594
Most schools wont allow children to bring tylenol or other over the counter medications without those items being provided by the parents to a school nurse and forms filled out. This is dictated by federal and state laws. Does anyone see a disconnect here?
Back in my day, I carried pocketknives to school. The teacher would sometimes ask the boys in the class to hand her one. LOL.
Medications and regulations - yes, there is a disconnect. I carry a medicine bag with me to my college... complete with antacid tablets, pain relievers, cough medicine, throat candy, and anything else I need.
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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///t/395415/while-you-were-sleeping/60#post_3520707
There was an incident where a girl was expelled for giving her friend a Mydol.
... and I hand them out to anyone who truly needs it, because when I am hurting/in pain because of indigestion or headache, I would want someone else to give me medicine.
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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///t/395415/while-you-were-sleeping/60#post_3520728
A kid just got a 2 day suspension for pretending his pencil was a gun.......... Our country is doomed.
My best friend and I in 8th grade social studies class pretended like we were shooting at our Jewish teacher as she was talking about WWII. Yeah,... I probably needed to get in trouble for that. lol, but she laughed it off and didn't care.
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Originally Posted by Beth http:///t/395415/while-you-were-sleeping/60#post_3520740
A mass exodus from public schools is needed as a wake up call.
I don't think a mass exodus from school is going to teach any politician a lesson.

 

[beth]

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Originally Posted by SnakeBlitz33 http:///t/395415/while-you-were-sleeping/60#post_3520795
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Originally Posted by Beth http:///t/395415/while-you-were-sleeping/60#post_3520740
A mass exodus from public schools is needed as a wake up call.
I don't think a mass exodus from school is going to teach any politician a lesson.
Schools and school boards make the rules. Believe me. A mass exodus from public schools to alternatives would wake them up big time. They are already crying about all the money Charter Schools and home schooling is depriving them of.

 

[snakeblitz33]

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Originally Posted by Beth http:///t/395415/while-you-were-sleeping/60#post_3520798
Schools and school boards make the rules. Believe me. A mass exodus from public schools to alternatives would wake them up big time. They are already crying about all the money Charter Schools and home schooling is depriving them of.
Mass exodus from public schools to charter schools would make politicians happy - since they would be paying per head at a charter school. Are you sure your not talking about ticking off some teachers at public schools?
All parents can afford to keep one parent at home to homeschool... I don't think homeschooling is any threat.

 

[reefraff]

Outlawing the teachers union would go a long way towards fixing our schools

 

[snakeblitz33]

Maybe so. But you cant do that.
I agree, however, that some teachers who dont like to teach or stopped carin about their jobs should be up for review. Teachers are one of the only professions that are not truly based on performance. However, you cant just say a teacher isnt doing their job either because of low state based "bubble" exam scores, which are highly culturally biased.
I dont see how some of the information that we expect kids in lower grades to even comprehend. I was taught prealgebra in 7th grade. Now day its more like 6th or earlier. Ive seen kindergardeners learning how to bubble charts in.

 

[reefraff]

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Originally Posted by SnakeBlitz33 http:///t/395415/while-you-were-sleeping/60#post_3520807
Maybe so. But you cant do that.
I agree, however, that some teachers who dont like to teach or stopped carin about their jobs should be up for review. Teachers are one of the only professions that are not truly based on performance. However, you cant just say a teacher isnt doing their job either because of low state based "bubble" exam scores, which are highly culturally biased.
I dont see how some of the information that we expect kids in lower grades to even comprehend. I was taught prealgebra in 7th grade. Now day its more like 6th or earlier. Ive seen kindergardeners learning how to bubble charts in.
Why can't you do it? In Colorado state employees are limited in what they can do as far as unionizing. Just need to expand it to the education cartel. It isn't just about getting rid of bad teachers. It's getting the teacher's union out of the curriculum, they have no business whatsoever influencing what our kids are being taught. I wouldn't know an algebra if it up and bit me on the butt LOL! Made it interesting trying to help my son with math homework but I was able to fake my way through it.