While you were sleeping.............
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darthtang aw
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All government id require a picture. This verifiesthe person on the id is the person in person. Otherwise a 15 year olds permit could be borrowed by a thirteen year old to purchase this.
darthtang aw
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A drivers license sure. But you cant get a drivers license at fifteen. In order to get most state id if under the age of 18 one needs parental assistance and consent. So no parent need worry about their fifteen year old buying this without their knowledge at the age of fifteen.
2quills
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FDA officials said a 15-year-old could use an alternative form of identification such as a birth certificate or a passport to buy the drug.
http://vitals.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/05/01/18004701-plan-b-available-for-15-year-olds-bring-a-passport?lite
http://vitals.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/05/01/18004701-plan-b-available-for-15-year-olds-bring-a-passport?lite
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Originally Posted by 2Quills http:///t/395415/while-you-were-sleeping/40#post_3520440
FDA officials said a 15-year-old could use an alternative form of identification such as a birth certificate or a passport to buy the drug.
http://vitals.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/05/01/18004701-plan-b-available-for-15-year-olds-bring-a-passport?lite
A birth cert would be a form of gov ID since it is issued by vital statistics.
Originally Posted by 2Quills http:///t/395415/while-you-were-sleeping/40#post_3520440
FDA officials said a 15-year-old could use an alternative form of identification such as a birth certificate or a passport to buy the drug.
http://vitals.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/05/01/18004701-plan-b-available-for-15-year-olds-bring-a-passport?lite
A birth cert would be a form of gov ID since it is issued by vital statistics.
darthtang aw
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A birth cert would be a form of gov ID since it is issued by vital statistics.
Yep, but it is normally used in conjunction with a secondary form of ID such as SS card or visa.......regardless, if your child wants the drug they still have to get their birth certificate from their parents....lol...so the argument that it can be urchased without parental consent is unfounded.
Yep, but it is normally used in conjunction with a secondary form of ID such as SS card or visa.......regardless, if your child wants the drug they still have to get their birth certificate from their parents....lol...so the argument that it can be urchased without parental consent is unfounded.
reefraff
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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///t/395415/while-you-were-sleeping/40#post_3520451
Yep, but it is normally used in conjunction with a secondary form of ID such as SS card or visa.......regardless, if your child wants the drug they still have to get their birth certificate from their parents....lol...so the argument that it can be urchased without parental consent is unfounded.
I've had a copy of my birth certificate since I was 14. Also several states issue licenses to 15 year olds, including your own I believe.
Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///t/395415/while-you-were-sleeping/40#post_3520451
Yep, but it is normally used in conjunction with a secondary form of ID such as SS card or visa.......regardless, if your child wants the drug they still have to get their birth certificate from their parents....lol...so the argument that it can be urchased without parental consent is unfounded.
I've had a copy of my birth certificate since I was 14. Also several states issue licenses to 15 year olds, including your own I believe.
darthtang aw
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I've had a copy of my birth certificate since I was 14. Also several states issue licenses to 15 year olds, including your own I believe.
I had a copy since I was born, however my parents held on to it for many many years...before giving it to me when I was 17. License in New Mexico is 16 except state ID is 15, but you need SS card or birth certificate to acquire one, which requires the assistance of your parents to get the latter.
I had a copy since I was born, however my parents held on to it for many many years...before giving it to me when I was 17. License in New Mexico is 16 except state ID is 15, but you need SS card or birth certificate to acquire one, which requires the assistance of your parents to get the latter.
reefraff
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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///t/395415/while-you-were-sleeping/40#post_3520484
I had a copy since I was born, however my parents held on to it for many many years...before giving it to me when I was 17. License in New Mexico is 16 except state ID is 15, but you need SS card or birth certificate to acquire one, which requires the assistance of your parents to get the latter.
According to the NM DMV site a teen 15 years and 6 months old can get a provisional license. Thats a state issued photo ID. I don't see the connection between a parent helping their kid get a license to them helping them get birth control. I think most parents would assume the kid wants the license to drive, not get birth control.
Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///t/395415/while-you-were-sleeping/40#post_3520484
I had a copy since I was born, however my parents held on to it for many many years...before giving it to me when I was 17. License in New Mexico is 16 except state ID is 15, but you need SS card or birth certificate to acquire one, which requires the assistance of your parents to get the latter.
According to the NM DMV site a teen 15 years and 6 months old can get a provisional license. Thats a state issued photo ID. I don't see the connection between a parent helping their kid get a license to them helping them get birth control. I think most parents would assume the kid wants the license to drive, not get birth control.
reefraff
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Originally Posted by 2Quills http:///t/395415/while-you-were-sleeping/40#post_3520479
I have to question if any of that would really even matter. If a 15 year old can find someone to have sex with them then I'm sure they can find someone to get them a pill.
Yeah but for the government to intentionally remove a parent's right and responsibility to look after their kids is the issue here.
Originally Posted by 2Quills http:///t/395415/while-you-were-sleeping/40#post_3520479
I have to question if any of that would really even matter. If a 15 year old can find someone to have sex with them then I'm sure they can find someone to get them a pill.
Yeah but for the government to intentionally remove a parent's right and responsibility to look after their kids is the issue here.
2quills
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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///t/395415/while-you-were-sleeping/40#post_3520493
Yeah but for the government to intentionally remove a parent's right and responsibility to look after their kids is the issue here.
Birth control for kids, what a novel idea. I agree it's rather ridiculous as though it seems like they are handing kids a license to be able to have sex with one another. They're also passing out condoms to kids in high schools as well. And those can already be purchased at any age. But in the end states still have their own laws as to consenting age don't they? Wouldn't it still be a crime for a minor to have sex in places like the state of California even if they can purchase the pill? It's still a parents responsibility to educate their kids in those regards.
Parents have a tough job, I'll give them that. I remember when we moved from California when I turned 14 and how many kids I remember were already fooling around at that age. I guess someone out there probably figured if they are going to do it then at least lets try to control the teenage pregnancies. How many of these kids who have kids end up needing state or government assistance? It's still better than abortion in my eyes.
Heck, down here there is a gang in the inner city who's mission it is to get 13 and 14 year old girls pregnant as a right of passage into the gang. It's nuts. And the girls are all about it. I think in the end it's still up to the parents and how they wish to educate the kids. You can't wait until it's too late.
Originally Posted by reefraff http:///t/395415/while-you-were-sleeping/40#post_3520493
Yeah but for the government to intentionally remove a parent's right and responsibility to look after their kids is the issue here.
Birth control for kids, what a novel idea. I agree it's rather ridiculous as though it seems like they are handing kids a license to be able to have sex with one another. They're also passing out condoms to kids in high schools as well. And those can already be purchased at any age. But in the end states still have their own laws as to consenting age don't they? Wouldn't it still be a crime for a minor to have sex in places like the state of California even if they can purchase the pill? It's still a parents responsibility to educate their kids in those regards.
Parents have a tough job, I'll give them that. I remember when we moved from California when I turned 14 and how many kids I remember were already fooling around at that age. I guess someone out there probably figured if they are going to do it then at least lets try to control the teenage pregnancies. How many of these kids who have kids end up needing state or government assistance? It's still better than abortion in my eyes.
Heck, down here there is a gang in the inner city who's mission it is to get 13 and 14 year old girls pregnant as a right of passage into the gang. It's nuts. And the girls are all about it. I think in the end it's still up to the parents and how they wish to educate the kids. You can't wait until it's too late.
The bigger problem isn't about sex. If a kid is going to have sex at 15, the availability of pills or lack thereof isn't going to stop them from having sex. The problem is their access to large dose of hormones, possibility the inappropriate use of same, wo the parent even being aware.
reefraff
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Originally Posted by Beth http:///t/395415/while-you-were-sleeping/40#post_3520537
The bigger problem isn't about sex. If a kid is going to have sex at 15, the availability of pills or lack thereof isn't going to stop them from having sex. The problem is their access to large dose of hormones, possibility the inappropriate use of same, wo the parent even being aware.
And that's the thing. I am a fairly intelligent 53 year old and I have a hard time understanding some of the warnings they put on medicines. A 15 year old isn't going to have a clue in a lot of cases.
My personal opinion is that any girl under the age of legal consent in the state she lives in shouldn't be able to get any bc or abortion services without the parents being notified.
Originally Posted by Beth http:///t/395415/while-you-were-sleeping/40#post_3520537
The bigger problem isn't about sex. If a kid is going to have sex at 15, the availability of pills or lack thereof isn't going to stop them from having sex. The problem is their access to large dose of hormones, possibility the inappropriate use of same, wo the parent even being aware.
And that's the thing. I am a fairly intelligent 53 year old and I have a hard time understanding some of the warnings they put on medicines. A 15 year old isn't going to have a clue in a lot of cases.
My personal opinion is that any girl under the age of legal consent in the state she lives in shouldn't be able to get any bc or abortion services without the parents being notified.
2quills
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I wouldn't dissagree with that either as far as drugs or abortion is concerned. It sure doesn't seem like there are a whole lot of good options out there.
So what do you do when teen pregnancy for girls the age of 17 and younger is costing the U.S. government billions each year in medical service and child welfare?
So what do you do when teen pregnancy for girls the age of 17 and younger is costing the U.S. government billions each year in medical service and child welfare?
theclemsonkid
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Just playing devils advocate here...
On one hand, you have the conservative base (and some right leaning liberals as well), who love to complain in one form or another that "I'm so sick of my money going to support these do-nothing mothers popping out kids when they're 15". Ok, fair enough.
On the other hand, you have these same conservative and right leaning liberals as well, condemning the fact that now teens are able to get a hold of the morning after pill, which would, in theory, stop at least some of that first problem.
So the real question is, would you rather stick to your moral/religious beliefs, or have more money in your pocket in the long run?
What a typically American question. Money, money, money vs. morals.
On one hand, you have the conservative base (and some right leaning liberals as well), who love to complain in one form or another that "I'm so sick of my money going to support these do-nothing mothers popping out kids when they're 15". Ok, fair enough.
On the other hand, you have these same conservative and right leaning liberals as well, condemning the fact that now teens are able to get a hold of the morning after pill, which would, in theory, stop at least some of that first problem.
So the real question is, would you rather stick to your moral/religious beliefs, or have more money in your pocket in the long run?
What a typically American question. Money, money, money vs. morals.
2quills
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The left has no comment on the matter? Aside from personal beliefs or selfish reasons it's also about the greater good of the nation as a whole. We could be stronger and more competitive if we had less dependants.
But other wise, yeah. I'd like to keep more of my own money. Who actually wants to be forced to cover others simply because of the poor choices they make or because they want to collect a check for doing nothing? Where is my choice? Because if it were up to me I'd cut the vast majority of them off of the goverenments teet. If that makes me a jerk then so be it.
But other wise, yeah. I'd like to keep more of my own money. Who actually wants to be forced to cover others simply because of the poor choices they make or because they want to collect a check for doing nothing? Where is my choice? Because if it were up to me I'd cut the vast majority of them off of the goverenments teet. If that makes me a jerk then so be it.