Why carry a gun?

travelerjp98

travelerjp98

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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///t/392453/why-carry-a-gun/140#post_3486484
I was watching a CNN report a while ago, and they were talking about this guy's history. He was this lead singer of this white supremacist musical group that used Nazi flags as a backdrop, and their music espoused hatred for all races other that white..... There's this Poverty Center that had actually been tracking this guy for the last 12 years, partly due to the hatred he spewed in his music, but mainly due to his involvement with this one organization that was tied to Timothy McVeigh. They wanted to report him to authorties, but they had nothing on him except he liked to talk about killing blacks, hispanics, muslims and such. 1st Amendment free speech allows you to say anything you want, as long as ittttt can't be proven you plan on following through with those threats.
Hmmmmm, sounds like he should check out joining the KKK.
LOL!
 
sweat90lx

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the KKK is history, look who owns all the property that they had years ago.
Racism is far from over though, the sons of confederate soldiers here is nothing more than a hate group. I live in the deep south where racism is still very horrible.
BUT hate groups are doing these terrible mass shootings. It is single persons doing these aweful crimes.
 
travelerjp98

travelerjp98

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Originally Posted by sweat90lx http:///t/392453/why-carry-a-gun/160#post_3486499
the KKK is history, look who owns all the property that they had years ago.
Racism is far from over though, the sons of confederate soldiers here is nothing more than a hate group. I live in the deep south where racism is still very horrible.
BUT hate groups are doing these terrible mass shootings. It is single persons doing these aweful crimes.
Not they're still here. They even have a website.
 
reefraff

reefraff

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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///t/392453/why-carry-a-gun/140#post_3486363
These individuals of this Sikh group have reported violence and vandalism of their businesses in the past, and the reports stated they were racially motivated. All the reports I've read stated that the Sikh have often been mistaken to be Muslim, yet the two groups are not associated with one another. Put two and two together, and I think you get why the reports are saying this guy may have thought he was attacking a Muslim group.
So because someone has mistaken Sikh's for Muslims this guy must have done the same thing? Maybe he just hates Indians too.
 
reefraff

reefraff

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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///t/392453/why-carry-a-gun/140#post_3486484
I was watching a CNN report a while ago, and they were talking about this guy's history. He was this lead singer of this white supremacist musical group that used Nazi flags as a backdrop, and their music espoused hatred for all races other that white..... There's this Poverty Center that had actually been tracking this guy for the last 12 years, partly due to the hatred he spewed in his music, but mainly due to his involvement with this one organization that was tied to Timothy McVeigh. They wanted to report him to authorties, but they had nothing on him except he liked to talk about killing blacks, hispanics, muslims and such. 1st Amendment free speech allows you to say anything you want, as long as ittttt can't be proven you plan on following through with those threats.
Yeah, seen those reports now too. In most cases the people doing all of the talking aren't the threat. Same deal with the Black Panthers. It's those who listen you gotta worry about.
 
reefraff

reefraff

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Originally Posted by sweat90lx http:///t/392453/why-carry-a-gun/160#post_3486499
the KKK is history, look who owns all the property that they had years ago.
Racism is far from over though, the sons of confederate soldiers here is nothing more than a hate group. I live in the deep south where racism is still very horrible.
BUT hate groups are doing these terrible mass shootings. It is single persons doing these aweful crimes.
KKK at one time was a powerful group, politically. Now it's just isolated little bands of malcontents but they are still around. La Raza is the racist group with the political clout now.
 
bionicarm

bionicarm

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Now we have some Florida nutjob claiming he's going to go to New York and shoot up Mike Tyson's little Broadway show where "people are gonna die like aurora". New York authorities are asking Twitter to release information on the account, and Twitter has responded they don't think it's a viable enough threat to warrant violating this user's 1st Amendment rights. So if this guy goes through with this threat, can victims sue Twitter for not protecting them when thay had the opportunity to do so?
http://blog.sfgate.com/dailydish/2012/08/07/twitter-user-threatens-violence-at-mike-tysons-broadway-show/
 
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dragonzim

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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///t/392453/why-carry-a-gun/160#post_3486673
Another "responsible gun owner" just going to the Batman movie with a bag filled with a gun, ammo, and knives. Of course he was just taking it with him for protection...

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/08/07/13164209-man-armed-with-gun-knives-entered-ohio-theater-showing-batman-movie-police-say?lite
No motive was listed. Who's to say he wasnt nervous and felt he needed to protect himself in case someone else got the idea to shoot up another theater?
 
bionicarm

bionicarm

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Originally Posted by DragonZim http:///t/392453/why-carry-a-gun/160#post_3486693
No motive was listed. Who's to say he wasnt nervous and felt he needed to protect himself in case someone else got the idea to shoot up another theater?
Yeaaaa. As a "responsible gun owner", if that's what he intended, he'd have known there are laws requiring proof you can carry concealed weapons (if the business allows it). Can we say "copy cat"?
 
bionicarm

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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///t/392453/why-carry-a-gun/160#post_3486745
Just like with drivers, except you are much more likely to be killed by a car.
Look up the statistics of one month where you have an individual use a motor vehicle for the sole intended purpose to maim or kill someone. Divide that number by the number of times and number of cars that are driven nationwide for that same month.
Look up the statistics of one month where you have an individual use a gun for the sole intended purpose to maim or kill someone. Divide that number by the number of guns that are actually USED nationwide for that same month.
You tell me which number is lower.
You need to come up with a better analogy. You keep using the same boring one, and don't seem to realize how many times more a vehicle is driven on a daily basis as opposed to someone shooting a gun. I drive my car every day approximately 40 miles round trip to work, and and 20 miles or so for personal trips. The last time I shot my shotgun was 10 years ago. the last time i shot my pistol was 2 years ago. So statistically, I have a better chance at getting injured or killed in my vehicle than I do using my guns. There's more than 200,000 cars on the road on a given day here in San Antonio alone. You're going to tell me there's 200,000 people out there pointing and shooting their guns here in San Antonio on a given day?
 
reefraff

reefraff

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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///t/392453/why-carry-a-gun/160#post_3486755
Look up the statistics of one month where you have an individual use a motor vehicle for the sole intended purpose to maim or kill someone. Divide that number by the number of times and number of cars that are driven nationwide for that same month.
Look up the statistics of one month where you have an individual use a gun for the sole intended purpose to maim or kill someone. Divide that number by the number of guns that are actually USED nationwide for that same month.
You tell me which number is lower.
You need to come up with a better analogy. You keep using the same boring one, and don't seem to realize how many times more a vehicle is driven on a daily basis as opposed to someone shooting a gun. I drive my car every day approximately 40 miles round trip to work, and and 20 miles or so for personal trips. The last time I shot my shotgun was 10 years ago. the last time i shot my pistol was 2 years ago. So statistically, I have a better chance at getting injured or killed in my vehicle than I do using my guns. There's more than 200,000 cars on the road on a given day here in San Antonio alone. You're going to tell me there's 200,000 people out there pointing and shooting their guns here in San Antonio on a given day?
Just because the gun isn't fired doesn't mean it isn't used. There are more guns than cars in this country yet you are still more likely to die because of a car, deal with it.Making everyone install a governer on their cars so they wont go over 55 miles and hour and installing a breathalizer so it wont start if your BAC is over .08 will save more lives than banning guns. Why not push for that? Guns are here to stay, you aren't going to get them so you might as well get over your paranoia.
 
travelerjp98

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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///t/392453/why-carry-a-gun/160#post_3486807
Just because the gun isn't fired doesn't mean it isn't used. There are more guns than cars in this country yet you are still more likely to die because of a car, deal with it.Making everyone install a governer on their cars so they wont go over 55 miles and hour and installing a breathalizer so it wont start if your BAC is over .08 will save more lives than banning guns. Why not push for that? Guns are here to stay, you aren't going to get them so you might as well get over your paranoia.
+1.
 
bionicarm

bionicarm

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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///t/392453/why-carry-a-gun/160#post_3486807
Just because the gun isn't fired doesn't mean it isn't used. There are more guns than cars in this country yet you are still more likely to die because of a car, deal with it.Making everyone install a governer on their cars so they wont go over 55 miles and hour and installing a breathalizer so it wont start if your BAC is over .08 will save more lives than banning guns. Why not push for that? Guns are here to stay, you aren't going to get them so you might as well get over your paranoia.
Brother. So just because my car sits in my driveway, it's still being used? There's as many guns as cars in this country because you have gun nuts that have a stash of 20 - 30 guns sitting in their closet they they probably only USE once or twice a year. How many people do you know that have 20 - 30 cars sitting around being USED as they sit idle in their garage? Look up the defintion "to use".
Sorry, it's been proven that going 70MPH than 55MPH on an open road is no more dangerous. I'm all for putting breathalizers in every car. No problem with that at all. Put those in, then restrict every firearm to not be allowed to have a clip that can hold more than 6 shells. People back in the 1800's didn't seem to have any issues walking around with six-shooters, why should you?
 
reefraff

reefraff

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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///t/392453/why-carry-a-gun/160#post_3486834
Brother. So just because my car sits in my driveway, it's still being used? There's as many guns as cars in this country because you have gun nuts that have a stash of 20 - 30 guns sitting in their closet they they probably only USE once or twice a year. How many people do you know that have 20 - 30 cars sitting around being USED as they sit idle in their garage? Look up the defintion "to use".
Sorry, it's been proven that going 70MPH than 55MPH on an open road is no more dangerous. I'm all for putting breathalizers in every car. No problem with that at all. Put those in, then restrict every firearm to not be allowed to have a clip that can hold more than 6 shells. People back in the 1800's didn't seem to have any issues walking around with six-shooters, why should you?
If a cop parks a marked patrol car on the side of the highway so people slow down it's being used. If a car is parked with a sign advertising a business it's being used. A gun locked in a gun safe isn't being used. A gun on my person or in my car while I am driving it is being used. Get it?
And sorry, it has not been proven 70 is safer. When they dropped the speed limit to 55 back in the 70's there was a demonstrated decline in traffic fatalities.
And the reason I need a 30 round clip is because I can. Ted Kennedy's car has killed more innocent people than my guns. Barack 0bama's fast and furious scheme has killed more people than my guns. Unless I violate the law I get to have cool things like 30 round mags.
 
bionicarm

bionicarm

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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///t/392453/why-carry-a-gun/160#post_3486847
If a cop parks a marked patrol car on the side of the highway so people slow down it's being used. If a car is parked with a sign advertising a business it's being used. A gun locked in a gun safe isn't being used. A gun on my person or in my car while I am driving it is being used. Get it?
And sorry, it has not been proven 70 is safer. When they dropped the speed limit to 55 back in the 70's there was a demonstrated decline in traffic fatalities.
And the reason I need a 30 round clip is because I can. Ted Kennedy's car has killed more innocent people than my guns. Barack 0bama's fast and furious scheme has killed more people than my guns. Unless I violate the law I get to have cool things like 30 round mags.
Someone can take a gun and shoot an innocent person "because they can". What's your point?
When you are driving your vehicle you are "using" it. Until you pull the trigger on that weapon, it's not being used. Get it?
They dropped the speed limit to 55 because of the Carter Gas Saving Initiative. More deaths occurred on the freeways during long drives due to exhaustion and falling asleep at the wheel because you were on the road an extra 45 minutes to an hour driving 55 than 70. Driving the flat, straight roads in Texas is a little different than driving winding, inclined mountain roads in Colorado.
 
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