Why carry a gun?

darthtang aw

darthtang aw

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I don't make idiotic assumptions like you liberals did after the Giffords shooting
Haven't you noticed..most of bionic's arguments are assumptions or what ifs.
A person drinking alcohol knows the risks...they ignore them...so their intent is to risk killing someone.
Just for the record...i want neither banned...however if we are going to "save" society from needless deaths...which banning would reduce that greeater?
I thought this was about safety now and need. No one needs to drink anymore than they need a 30 round clip or ar.
Darth (yep, still my uncle) Tang
 
travelerjp98

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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///t/392453/why-carry-a-gun/120#post_3486106
Now I guess you have to carry a weapon with you to church. Priest standing outside, and some redneck who hates "Muslims" walks up and shoots him in broad daylight. Then walks into the church and starts opening fire at anyone else he can see. Doesn't say what kind of weapon he had, but I guess he's not one of your "responsible gun owners" either:
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/08/05/13130110-gunman-opens-fire-at-sikh-temple-in-wisconsin-7-dead?lite
How bout all the black churches that were burned down in the late 1800s and early 1900s? Hundreds died and no guns were used...
There's a ton of ways to kill a mass number of people.
 
bionicarm

bionicarm

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///t/392453/why-carry-a-gun/140#post_3486120
Haven't you noticed..most of bionic's arguments are assumptions or what ifs.
A person drinking alcohol knows the risks...they ignore them...so their intent is to risk killing someone.
Just for the record...i want neither banned...however if we are going to "save" society from needless deaths...which banning would reduce that greeater?
I thought this was about safety now and need. No one needs to drink anymore than they need a 30 round clip or ar.
Darth (yep, still my uncle) Tang
A person who drinks knows the risks, however intoxication tends to impair your ability to make logical and rational decisions. You can't tell me anyone who has ever hurt or killed someone as a result of driving drunk, had the full intention of doing that when they decided to get behind the wheel impaired. Someone who uses a gun for the primary intent of killing someone, for whatever reason that may be, is fully aware of what they are doing. I'm not talking someone whose strung out on drugs, or drunk. I'm talking about someone who made a calculated effort to formulate a plan, purchased the weapons and ammo, and knew what their intentions were.
I have no problem with car manufacturers building every single car to where you have to blow in a tube to detect alcohol levels. Any indication of alcohol in the system, the car doesn't start. Of course the Constitutionalist would scream bloody murder you're violating their 1st Amendment or some legal rights doing that. But you would all but eliminate any situation where someone could operate a motor vehicle drunk. Excessive? Maybe. But there comes a time where drastic measures need to take place if it can save jut one life. Could you cheat the system (i.e let someone with no alcohol in their system blow in the tube). Guess you could, but why would any competent person do that knowing they are risking their own lives by allowing a person to drive drunk?
 
travelerjp98

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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///t/392453/why-carry-a-gun/140#post_3486186
A person who drinks knows the risks, however intoxication tends to impair your ability to make logical and rational decisions. You can't tell me anyone who has ever hurt or killed someone as a result of driving drunk, had the full intention of doing that when they decided to get behind the wheel impaired. Someone who uses a gun for the primary intent of killing someone, for whatever reason that may be, is fully aware of what they are doing. I'm not talking someone whose strung out on drugs, or drunk. I'm talking about someone who made a calculated effort to formulate a plan, purchased the weapons and ammo, and knew what their intentions were.
I have no problem with car manufacturers building every single car to where you have to blow in a tube to detect alcohol levels. Any indication of alcohol in the system, the car doesn't start. Of course the Constitutionalist would scream bloody murder you're violating their 1st Amendment or some legal rights doing that. But you would all but eliminate any situation where someone could operate a motor vehicle drunk. Excessive? Maybe. But there comes a time where drastic measures need to take place if it can save jut one life. Could you cheat the system (i.e let someone with no alcohol in their system blow in the tube). Guess you could, but why would any competent person do that knowing they are risking their own lives by allowing a person to drive drunk?
Take a hammer and knock the whole system outta the car!
 
darthtang aw

darthtang aw

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A person who drinks knows the risks, however intoxication tends to impair your ability to make logical and rational decisions.  You can't tell me anyone who has ever hurt or killed someone as a result of driving drunk, had the full intention of doing that when they decided to get behind the wheel impaired.  Someone who uses a gun for the primary intent of killing someone, for whatever reason that may be, is fully aware of what they are doing.  I'm not talking someone whose strung out on drugs, or drunk.  I'm talking about someone who made a calculated effort to formulate a plan, purchased the weapons and ammo, and knew what their intentions were.
I have no problem with car manufacturers building every single car to where you have to blow in a tube to detect alcohol levels.  Any indication of alcohol in the system, the car doesn't start.  Of course the Constitutionalist would scream bloody murder you're violating their 1st Amendment or some legal rights doing that.  But you would all but eliminate any situation where someone could operate a motor vehicle drunk.  Excessive?  Maybe.  But there comes a time where drastic measures need to take place if it can save jut one life.  Could you cheat the system (i.e let someone with no alcohol in their system blow in the tube).  Guess you could, but why would any competent person do that knowing they are risking their own lives by allowing a person to drive drunk?  
Why would any competant, sane person gun down 75 people?
 
bionicarm

bionicarm

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///t/392453/why-carry-a-gun/140#post_3486219
Why would any competant, sane person gun down 75 people?
Don't know. Why don't you ask him? The guy was going for his PhD, and until recents reports came out, he was just your normal college student. Were the two kids from Columbine "insane" or "incompetent"? You had trailer park guy kill two people over an argument over a dog or something stupid like that. Was he insane, or just had anger management issues? Was this guy who shot up the church incompetent because he didn't know Sikh aren't Muslims, and apparently shot them because he thought they were?
Driving under the influence has nothing to do with incompertence. It's more of a poor decision. Most individuals who drive drunk don't even realize they're doing it. The one's who think they aren't drunk, and believe they can drive, usually are also exhausted when they get behind the wheel. Do you think these latest mass shootings are the result of someone waking up one morning and saying, "You know what. I'm ticked off at the world, or ticked at these people. I think I'm going to go shoot them all today." Every one of these incidents were planned and calculated. Were these people insane and incompetent when they walked into the gun shop to purchase the guns they used? If so, how'd they know which guns would be the most effective to use in a mass shooting? Were they insane when they purchased all the ammo they needed, and in the case of this Colorado nut, have the intelligence to build and setup booby traps in his apartment wanting for the police to trigger them when they opened the door to investigate the loud music playing? Seems to me you'd have to be pretty competent and smart to pull that off.
 
reefraff

reefraff

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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///t/392453/why-carry-a-gun/140#post_3486316
Don't know. Why don't you ask him? The guy was going for his PhD, and until recents reports came out, he was just your normal college student. Were the two kids from Columbine "insane" or "incompetent"? You had trailer park guy kill two people over an argument over a dog or something stupid like that. Was he insane, or just had anger management issues? Was this guy who shot up the church incompetent because he didn't know Sikh aren't Muslims, and apparently shot them because he thought they were?
Driving under the influence has nothing to do with incompertence. It's more of a poor decision. Most individuals who drive drunk don't even realize they're doing it. The one's who think they aren't drunk, and believe they can drive, usually are also exhausted when they get behind the wheel. Do you think these latest mass shootings are the result of someone waking up one morning and saying, "You know what. I'm ticked off at the world, or ticked at these people. I think I'm going to go shoot them all today." Every one of these incidents were planned and calculated. Were these people insane and incompetent when they walked into the gun shop to purchase the guns they used? If so, how'd they know which guns would be the most effective to use in a mass shooting? Were they insane when they purchased all the ammo they needed, and in the case of this Colorado nut, have the intelligence to build and setup booby traps in his apartment wanting for the police to trigger them when they opened the door to investigate the loud music playing? Seems to me you'd have to be pretty competent and smart to pull that off.
What left wing rag is speculating the guy thought they were Muslims? As it turns out you left wingers might finally have a certified conservative shooter after what, 5 years of accusations? Still nothing to suggest he thought they were Muslims in any of the Credible Media.
 
bionicarm

bionicarm

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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///t/392453/why-carry-a-gun/140#post_3486319
What left wing rag is speculating the guy thought they were Muslims? As it turns out you left wingers might finally have a certified conservative shooter after what, 5 years of accusations? Still nothing to suggest he thought they were Muslims in any of the Credible Media.
Here's the latest bio on the shooter:
The alleged gunman in Sunday’s killing rampage at a Sikh temple in southern Wisconsin is Wade Michael Page, authorities told NBC’s Pete Williams Monday.
Page, who served in the Army from April 1992 through October 1998, allegedly killed six people at the temple and wounded three before he was shot and killed. According to the Southern Poverty Law Center, Page is the former leader of a neo-Nazi music group called End Apathy. Police say Page, 40, purchased the pistol used in the shooting within the past 10 days near his home. The FBI are investigating this shooting as "domestic terrorism".
The 2001 attacks were carried out by Muslims linked to the al-Qaida militant group led by Osama bin Laden. Sikhs are not Muslim but many Americans do not know the difference, members of the Sikh community said.
Some witnesses to the Wisconsin shooting said the suspect had a tattoo marking the September 11, 2001 attacks. Authorities confirmed he had tattoos but said they were not sure exactly what the tattoos illustrated.
 
mantisman51

mantisman51

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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///t/392453/why-carry-a-gun/140#post_3486319
What left wing rag is speculating the guy thought they were Muslims? As it turns out you left wingers might finally have a certified conservative shooter after what, 5 years of accusations? Still nothing to suggest he thought they were Muslims in any of the Credible Media.
Apparently, he has white supremacist tattoos. I have yet to meet a conservative who is a white supremacist. Anyway, I don't care what the guy's motivation was. What he did was evil, same as Loughner. And it still has nothing whatsoever to do with legal firearm ownership. I believe it is already illegal to go and shoot innocent people and he ignored that law. "Authorities also were trying to trace a single, semiautomatic handgun recovered at the scene, sources told ABC News." Well, it wasn't a big, scary semi-auto rifle. Frankly, I am saddened, as I have some very close Indian friends and pretty much all the Indians, Sikh, Hindi and Muslim I have met are just some of the nicest people in the world. But I notice the bodies weren't even to room temperature before !@#$*% started using it for his left-wing kookery. No wonder he likes The Messiah and Holder so much, he's as classless and boorish as they are.
 
reefraff

reefraff

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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///t/392453/why-carry-a-gun/140#post_3486330
Here's the latest bio on the shooter:
The alleged gunman in Sunday’s killing rampage at a Sikh temple in southern Wisconsin is Wade Michael Page, authorities told NBC’s Pete Williams Monday.
Page, who served in the Army from April 1992 through October 1998, allegedly killed six people at the temple and wounded three before he was shot and killed. According to the Southern Poverty Law Center, Page is the former leader of a neo-Nazi music group called End Apathy. Police say Page, 40, purchased the pistol used in the shooting within the past 10 days near his home. The FBI are investigating this shooting as "domestic terrorism".
The 2001 attacks were carried out by Muslims linked to the al-Qaida militant group led by Osama bin Laden. Sikhs are not Muslim but many Americans do not know the difference, members of the Sikh community said.
Some witnesses to the Wisconsin shooting said the suspect had a tattoo marking the September 11, 2001 attacks. Authorities confirmed he had tattoos but said they were not sure exactly what the tattoos illustrated.
So who are the fools speculating he thought he was killing Muslims? A cut and past post isn't really much to go on.
 
reefraff

reefraff

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Originally Posted by mantisman51 http:///t/392453/why-carry-a-gun/140#post_3486335
Apparently, he has white supremacist tattoos. I have yet to meet a conservative who is a white supremacist. Anyway, I don't care what the guy's motivation was. What he did was evil, same as Loughner. And it still has nothing whatsoever to do with legal firearm ownership. I believe it is already illegal to go and shoot innocent people and he ignored that law. "Authorities also were trying to trace a single, semiautomatic handgun recovered at the scene, sources told ABC News." Well, it wasn't a big, scary semi-auto rifle. Frankly, I am saddened, as I have some very close Indian friends and pretty much all the Indians, Sikh, Hindi and Muslim I have met are just some of the nicest people in the world. But I notice the bodies weren't even to room temperature before !@#$*% started using it for his left-wing kookery. No wonder he likes The Messiah and Holder so much, he's as classless and boorish as they are.
Keep in mind the "white supremacist tattoo" report came from ABC, the same people who reported the Colorado shooter was a Tea Party officer LOL!
At this point nobody knows what his motive was. I've met a couple of white supremacists in my day and they are some scary people.
 
mantisman51

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http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/mike_ad_targets_bam_mitt_on_guns_ZPuyRhyD0UQkeXT06UStxM
Good ol' Bloomturd wants to make illegal guns more illegal. Funny how billionaires are almost all leftist democrats(Koch brothers being one of the few exceptions and God bless them for being one of the few voices of reason among them): Bloomturd, Gates, Jobs(dead lib but still counts), Soros. But for all the money they throw around and all the laws they've got changed over the years, the problems they have set out to solve never do.
 
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dragonzim

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Originally Posted by mantisman51 http:///t/392453/why-carry-a-gun/140#post_3486354
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/mike_ad_targets_bam_mitt_on_guns_ZPuyRhyD0UQkeXT06UStxM
Good ol' Bloomturd wants to make illegal guns more illegal. Funny how billionaires are almost all leftist democrats(Koch brothers being one of the few exceptions and God bless them for being one of the few voices of reason among them): Bloomturd, Gates, Jobs(dead lib but still counts), Soros. But for all the money they throw around and all the laws they've got changed over the years, the problems they have set out to solve never do.
Thankfully Bloomburg has nothing to do with my part of NY. I dont know a single person that approves of him and what he is up to these days...
 
reefraff

reefraff

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Bloomberg throws crap out just to get his name in the News. I'd bet my brand new virgin Jim Beam digital smoker the boob will be a 3rd party presidential candidate in 16
 
bionicarm

bionicarm

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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///t/392453/why-carry-a-gun/140#post_3486336
So who are the fools speculating he thought he was killing Muslims? A cut and past post isn't really much to go on.
These individuals of this Sikh group have reported violence and vandalism of their businesses in the past, and the reports stated they were racially motivated. All the reports I've read stated that the Sikh have often been mistaken to be Muslim, yet the two groups are not associated with one another. Put two and two together, and I think you get why the reports are saying this guy may have thought he was attacking a Muslim group.
 
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dragonzim

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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///t/392453/why-carry-a-gun/140#post_3486362
There was somne Manhatten restaurant recently that was in the news for sticking a sign up that said "No Mexicans Allowed" or something of that nature. You live in that area, ask around or look it up yourself.
I can't find a single news source for anything like this in NY. Plenty of examples of businesses in Texas with signs that said "No Dogs or Mexicans Allowed" from back in the 40s and 50s
 
bionicarm

bionicarm

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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///t/392453/why-carry-a-gun/140#post_3486337
Keep in mind the "white supremacist tattoo" report came from ABC, the same people who reported the Colorado shooter was a Tea Party officer LOL!
At this point nobody knows what his motive was. I've met a couple of white supremacists in my day and they are some scary people.
I was watching a CNN report a while ago, and they were talking about this guy's history. He was this lead singer of this white supremacist musical group that used Nazi flags as a backdrop, and their music espoused hatred for all races other that white..... There's this Poverty Center that had actually been tracking this guy for the last 12 years, partly due to the hatred he spewed in his music, but mainly due to his involvement with this one organization that was tied to Timothy McVeigh. They wanted to report him to authorties, but they had nothing on him except he liked to talk about killing blacks, hispanics, muslims and such. 1st Amendment free speech allows you to say anything you want, as long as ittttt can't be proven you plan on following through with those threats.
 
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