Why carry a gun?

bionicarm

bionicarm

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///t/392453/why-carry-a-gun/100#post_3485892
So then, you feel you should be able to deny entrance and patronage of your business based on race? I am actually on the fence concerning certain business "rights". I am just curious how far some feel those rights extend.
You seem to have an issue with someone denying rights to allow someone to bring a gun into their establishment. You base that on the 2nd. That Amendment is somewhat more absolute than the 1st. However, should someone's 2nd Amendment rights trump a person's 1st Amendment rights? There are many gray areas when you start defining "free speech". There's nothing in the 1st that defines "freedom of race", or whether one nationality or race has precedence over another race. People seem to lump any "freedom" that's not specifically stated into the 1st. That again is up for interpretation, and why we have a branch of government that we've entrusted to best determine whose "right" is being deny or abridged.
 
darthtang aw

darthtang aw

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You seem to have an issue with someone denying rights to allow someone to bring a gun into their establishment. You base that on the 2nd. That Amendment is somewhat more absolute than the 1st. However, should someone's 2nd Amendment rights trump a person's 1st Amendment rights? There are many gray areas when you start defining "free speech". There's nothing in the 1st that defines "freedom of race", or whether one nationality or race has precedence over another race. People seem to lump any "freedom" that's not specifically stated into the 1st. That again is up for interpretation, and why we have a branch of government that we've entrusted to best determine whose "right" is being deny or abridged.
When did I say I had an issue concerning that? You seem to have an issue comprehending English.
You once again, neither deny nor confirm your position. Just what the scotus or other states have going on. Your view is what I asked about. Not their ruling.
My position. I feel any private establishment has the right to limit whatever they like in their business. However I do not feel they should be allowed to limit and target race or sex. I will explain why AFTER you take a position.
 
reefraff

reefraff

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Another reason not to have guns LOL!
http://www.ktxs.com/news/RV-PARK-KILLINGS-Witness-shooter-recounts-shootout-with-gunman-who-killed-two-in-Early/-/14769632/15933066/-/30wo2o/-/index.html
 
bionicarm

bionicarm

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///t/392453/why-carry-a-gun/120#post_3485960
When did I say I had an issue concerning that? You seem to have an issue comprehending English.
You once again, neither deny nor confirm your position. Just what the scotus or other states have going on. Your view is what I asked about. Not their ruling.
My position. I feel any private establishment has the right to limit whatever they like in their business. However I do not feel they should be allowed to limit and target race or sex. I will explain why AFTER you take a position.
Then what are you defending? This entire argument started when Mantis claimed that anyone carrying a CCW in Arizona can enter a business regardless if the business owner doesn't allow weapons in their facility.
You apparently can't comprehend English. I've clearly stated my position multiple times.
A BUSINESS OWNER SHOULD NOT BE DICTATED BY STATE LAW AS TO WHO OR WHAT THEY ALLOW INTO THEIR BUSINESS OR FACILTY. IF FEDERAL LAWS DICTATE THE OWNER HAS A RIGHT TO DENY GUNS INTO HIS ESTABLISHMENT, THEN THE STATE CAN'T CIRCUMVENT THAT RIGHT. IF A LEGAL PRECENDENCE HASN'T BEEN ESTABLISHED BY FEDERAL LAW REGARDING WHETHER A BUSINESS CAN DENY ACCESS TO THEIR ESTABLISHMENT BASED ON SEX OR RACE, THEN A BUSINESS CAN REFUSE TO SERVE ANYONE THEY SO CHOOSE.
Is that clear enough for you?
 
bionicarm

bionicarm

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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///t/392453/why-carry-a-gun/120#post_3486061
Another reason not to have guns LOL!
http://www.ktxs.com/news/RV-PARK-KILLINGS-Witness-shooter-recounts-shootout-with-gunman-who-killed-two-in-Early/-/14769632/15933066/-/30wo2o/-/index.html
And if the assailant had an AR-15 instead of some hunting rifle that I would imagine was bolt action, the cop and Mr. Hero with the .357 would've been dead along with the other two he killed.
 
darthtang aw

darthtang aw

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And if the assailant had an AR-15 instead of some hunting rifle that I would imagine was bolt action, the cop and Mr. Hero with the .357 would've been dead along with the other two he killed.
And if my aunt had a penis she would be my uncle.
Darth (what if) Tang
 
bionicarm

bionicarm

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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///t/392453/why-carry-a-gun/120#post_3486093
And you know that how?
Read the article. He was shooting a long rifle with a scope. The guy with the .357 hit him in the thigh, and before the guy could cock and aim his rifle, the guy with the .357 shot him three or four more times. Not rocket science to understand how you are "outgunned" when you're shooting a single shot bolt action against a 6-shot pistol. Put an AR or AK in the bolt action guy's hands with a 30-round clip, and see if the outcome would've been the same.
 
bionicarm

bionicarm

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Now I guess you have to carry a weapon with you to church. Priest standing outside, and some redneck who hates "Muslims" walks up and shoots him in broad daylight. Then walks into the church and starts opening fire at anyone else he can see. Doesn't say what kind of weapon he had, but I gues he's not one of your "responsible gun owners" either:
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/08/05/13130110-gunman-opens-fire-at-sikh-temple-in-wisconsin-7-dead?lite
 
darthtang aw

darthtang aw

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Now I guess you have to carry a weapon with you to church.  Priest standing outside, and some redneck who hates "Muslims" walks up and shoots him in broad daylight.  Then walks into the church and starts opening fire at anyone else he can see.  Doesn't say what kind of weapon he had, but I gues he's not one of your "responsible gun owners" either:
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/08/05/13130110-gunman-opens-fire-at-sikh-temple-in-wisconsin-7-dead?lite
Guess you didnt hear about the other colorado shooting that same week. Guy drove his car into a church...priest ran up to check on the driver.....driver shoots priest.....conceal carrry owner shoots driver.
I can show thousands of irresposible drinkers that kill people for every one irresponsible gun owning criminal. What the hell is your point? If we ban every possible action that some moron may kill someone by we will all be stuck masterbating in the dark.
Darth (even my former aunt) tang
 
reefraff

reefraff

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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///t/392453/why-carry-a-gun/120#post_3486103
Read the article. He was shooting a long rifle with a scope. The guy with the .357 hit him in the thigh, and before the guy could cock and aim his rifle, the guy with the .357 shot him three or four more times. Not rocket science to understand how you are "outgunned" when you're shooting a single shot bolt action against a 6-shot pistol. Put an AR or AK in the bolt action guy's hands with a 30-round clip, and see if the outcome would've been the same.
How do you know? How many rounds did Oswald get off in a few seconds with that crappy bolt action? The hero waited for his shot. Had the guy been spraying rounds the hero would have shown the same good sense and waited for his shot.
 
reefraff

reefraff

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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///t/392453/why-carry-a-gun/120#post_3486106
Now I guess you have to carry a weapon with you to church. Priest standing outside, and some redneck who hates "Muslims" walks up and shoots him in broad daylight. Then walks into the church and starts opening fire at anyone else he can see. Doesn't say what kind of weapon he had, but I gues he's not one of your "responsible gun owners" either:
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/08/05/13130110-gunman-opens-fire-at-sikh-temple-in-wisconsin-7-dead?lite
Where in the article did it mention a redneck looking for Muslims?
 
bionicarm

bionicarm

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///t/392453/why-carry-a-gun/120#post_3486107
Guess you didnt hear about the other colorado shooting that same week. Guy drove his car into a church...priest ran up to check on the driver.....driver shoots priest.....conceal carrry owner shoots driver.
I can show thousands of irresposible drinkers that kill people for every one irresponsible gun owning criminal. What the hell is your point? If we ban every possible action that some moron may kill someone by we will all be stuck masterbating in the dark.
Darth (even my former aunt) tang
Don't you do that already?
You're really stuck on that car vs. gun analogy aren't you? Most drunk drivers don't kill someone on purpose. A guy walking into a church with a loaded weapon and shooting people randomly knew exactly what he was doing. Accidents happen. Pretty much every situation where you see more than one individual getting killed by a gun or by some nutjob with multiple guns, it's intentional.
 
bionicarm

bionicarm

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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///t/392453/why-carry-a-gun/120#post_3486110
How do you know? How many rounds did Oswald get off in a few seconds with that crappy bolt action? The hero waited for his shot. Had the guy been spraying rounds the hero would have shown the same good sense and waited for his shot.
Oswald was in the 6th floor of a building and got the shot he wanted. The cops didn't catch him at the site. He was captured much later.
You don't know what the circumstances would be if the guy had a semi-auto as opposed to a single shot rifle. The "hero" hit him in the thigh and the guy went down. He was shot again before he could get another round loaded in the chamber. If he'd had a semi-auto, you don't think he would've immediately started spraying bullets in the direction of the first shot? They were in some trailer park. Where could the guy hide?
 
reefraff

reefraff

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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///t/392453/why-carry-a-gun/120#post_3486117
Oswald was in the 6th floor of a building and got the shot he wanted. The cops didn't catch him at the site. He was captured much later.
You don't know what the circumstances would be if the guy had a semi-auto as opposed to a single shot rifle. The "hero" hit him in the thigh and the guy went down. He was shot again before he could get another round loaded in the chamber. If he'd had a semi-auto, you don't think he would've immediately started spraying bullets in the direction of the first shot? They were in some trailer park. Where could the guy hide?
Neither do you
 
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