darthtang aw
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Do I give up other rights? Sure you do - no smoking, no drinking, no shirt, no shoes, no service.
Those are rights listed in the constitution? Where?
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Do I give up other rights? Sure you do - no smoking, no drinking, no shirt, no shoes, no service.
Those are rights listed in the constitution? Where?
bionicarm
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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///t/392453/why-carry-a-gun/100#post_3485580
Those are rights listed in the constitution? Where?
I figured you say that. There's a family restaurant I go to that has a sign that says "Anyone caught cursing in our establishment will immediately be asked to leave." So I suppose that doesn't violate someone's 1st Amendment rights?
Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///t/392453/why-carry-a-gun/100#post_3485580
Those are rights listed in the constitution? Where?
I figured you say that. There's a family restaurant I go to that has a sign that says "Anyone caught cursing in our establishment will immediately be asked to leave." So I suppose that doesn't violate someone's 1st Amendment rights?
darthtang aw
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I figured you say that. There's a family restaurant I go to that has a sign that says "Anyone caught cursing in our establishment will immediately be asked to leave." So I suppose that doesn't violate someone's 1st Amendment rights?
good point....
good point....
travelerjp98
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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///t/392453/why-carry-a-gun/100#post_3485603
I figured you say that. There's a family restaurant I go to that has a sign that says "Anyone caught cursing in our establishment will immediately be asked to leave." So I suppose that doesn't violate someone's 1st Amendment rights?
But that's the rules of a private property, not the government... 2 completely different things.
Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///t/392453/why-carry-a-gun/100#post_3485603
I figured you say that. There's a family restaurant I go to that has a sign that says "Anyone caught cursing in our establishment will immediately be asked to leave." So I suppose that doesn't violate someone's 1st Amendment rights?
But that's the rules of a private property, not the government... 2 completely different things.
darthtang aw
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But that's the rules of a private property, not the government... 2 completely different things.
Not just private property...court houses..libraries...all have similar type rules...they arent private property....
travelerjp98
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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///t/392453/why-carry-a-gun/100#post_3485668
Not just private property...court houses..libraries...all have similar type rules...they arent private property....
I'm talking about the restaurant, and not anything else. (The cursing rule).
Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///t/392453/why-carry-a-gun/100#post_3485668
Not just private property...court houses..libraries...all have similar type rules...they arent private property....
I'm talking about the restaurant, and not anything else. (The cursing rule).
kiefers
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Originally Posted by travelerjp98 http:///t/392453/why-carry-a-gun/100#post_3485669
I'm talking about the restaurant, and not anything else. (The cursing rule).
That is pretty much common sense.
Darth, do you allow your customers to come in your buisness carrying guns and cussing and carry on? I know it's a buisness and you have to please your clientell but where do you draw the line?
(I think I should have been more specific, other than you carrying on. Lol)
Originally Posted by travelerjp98 http:///t/392453/why-carry-a-gun/100#post_3485669
I'm talking about the restaurant, and not anything else. (The cursing rule).
That is pretty much common sense.
Darth, do you allow your customers to come in your buisness carrying guns and cussing and carry on? I know it's a buisness and you have to please your clientell but where do you draw the line?
(I think I should have been more specific, other than you carrying on. Lol)
travelerjp98
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I know my comment was common sense but earth went on about libraries and courthouses...
bionicarm
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Originally Posted by travelerjp98 http:///t/392453/why-carry-a-gun/100#post_3485663
But that's the rules of a private property, not the government... 2 completely different things.
That's the argument. Mantis claims in Arizona you can carry a weapon onto private property with a CCW even if the owner doesn't allow it.
Originally Posted by travelerjp98 http:///t/392453/why-carry-a-gun/100#post_3485663
But that's the rules of a private property, not the government... 2 completely different things.
That's the argument. Mantis claims in Arizona you can carry a weapon onto private property with a CCW even if the owner doesn't allow it.
reefraff
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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///t/392453/why-carry-a-gun/80#post_3485574
They tried allowing CCW on college campuses in Texas, but it got shot down (no pun intended).
Do I give up other rights? Sure you do - no smoking, no drinking, no shirt, no shoes, no service.
Point out where in the constitution any of those items were granted as a right? Vulgar speech is not a right either. Otherwise the 7 words would be common on TV
Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///t/392453/why-carry-a-gun/80#post_3485574
They tried allowing CCW on college campuses in Texas, but it got shot down (no pun intended).
Do I give up other rights? Sure you do - no smoking, no drinking, no shirt, no shoes, no service.
Point out where in the constitution any of those items were granted as a right? Vulgar speech is not a right either. Otherwise the 7 words would be common on TV
kiefers
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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///t/392453/why-carry-a-gun/100#post_3485693
Point out where in the constitution any of those items were granted as a right? Vulgar speech is not a right either. Otherwise the 7 words would be common on TV
Well some of those 7 can now be said on T.V.
Gatta love George!!
Vulgar language is not a right, it's a choice.
I believe that is where the confusion lies, alot of people think its there right do do whatever whereas it is a choice.
The right to bear arms, free speech, (vulgar language is often referred here as my step son points out) and religion.
It all comes down to the choice being made. JMO
Originally Posted by reefraff http:///t/392453/why-carry-a-gun/100#post_3485693
Point out where in the constitution any of those items were granted as a right? Vulgar speech is not a right either. Otherwise the 7 words would be common on TV
Well some of those 7 can now be said on T.V.
Gatta love George!!
Vulgar language is not a right, it's a choice.
I believe that is where the confusion lies, alot of people think its there right do do whatever whereas it is a choice.
The right to bear arms, free speech, (vulgar language is often referred here as my step son points out) and religion.
It all comes down to the choice being made. JMO
darthtang aw
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That is pretty much common sense.
Darth, do you allow your customers to come in your buisness carrying guns and cussing and carry on? I know it's a buisness and you have to please your clientell but where do you draw the line?
(I think I should have been more specific, other than you carrying on. Lol)
You would be surprised the number of open carry customers I have come in. My business is situated in between the Upper class section and the hippie section of albuquerque. I get all types. And we hold political discussions as well...nothing like watching a conversation on politics between a hippie and a gun toting right wing "nut".....
However all conversations are civil. I have only had one customer question the gun issue in my store. Once I explained it they were fine with it. Even considering buying their own little hand gun now.
There is the occassional f bomb dropped, but everyone is adult about it, when kids come in...everyone watches what they say.
Darth, do you allow your customers to come in your buisness carrying guns and cussing and carry on? I know it's a buisness and you have to please your clientell but where do you draw the line?
(I think I should have been more specific, other than you carrying on. Lol)
You would be surprised the number of open carry customers I have come in. My business is situated in between the Upper class section and the hippie section of albuquerque. I get all types. And we hold political discussions as well...nothing like watching a conversation on politics between a hippie and a gun toting right wing "nut".....
However all conversations are civil. I have only had one customer question the gun issue in my store. Once I explained it they were fine with it. Even considering buying their own little hand gun now.
There is the occassional f bomb dropped, but everyone is adult about it, when kids come in...everyone watches what they say.
bionicarm
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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///t/392453/why-carry-a-gun/100#post_3485693
Point out where in the constitution any of those items were granted as a right? Vulgar speech is not a right either. Otherwise the 7 words would be common on TV
Why should someone's Constitutional right trump/circumvent someone's personal rights or beliefs? If I'm a business owner, and I don't want someone carrying a gun into MY business,I should have the RIGHT to deny them entry.
Vulger speech isn't a right? Is that spelled out somewhere in the 1st? It's not allowed on certain broadcasts because the FCC created a law stating so. I believe that was taken to the Supreme Court one time for violating the 1st, and the SCOTUS agreed with the FCC. On the flip side, didn't the SCOTUS just overrule the FCC for fining CBS for the infamous Janet Jackson wardrobe malfunction during the Super Bowl?
Originally Posted by reefraff http:///t/392453/why-carry-a-gun/100#post_3485693
Point out where in the constitution any of those items were granted as a right? Vulgar speech is not a right either. Otherwise the 7 words would be common on TV
Why should someone's Constitutional right trump/circumvent someone's personal rights or beliefs? If I'm a business owner, and I don't want someone carrying a gun into MY business,I should have the RIGHT to deny them entry.
Vulger speech isn't a right? Is that spelled out somewhere in the 1st? It's not allowed on certain broadcasts because the FCC created a law stating so. I believe that was taken to the Supreme Court one time for violating the 1st, and the SCOTUS agreed with the FCC. On the flip side, didn't the SCOTUS just overrule the FCC for fining CBS for the infamous Janet Jackson wardrobe malfunction during the Super Bowl?
darthtang aw
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Well some of those 7 can now be said on T.V.
Gatta love George!!
Vulgar language is not a right, it's a choice.
I believe that is where the confusion lies, alot of people think its there right do do whatever whereas it is a choice.
The right to bear arms, free speech, (vulgar language is often referred here as my step son points out) and religion.
It all comes down to the choice being made. JMO
This forum is a great example of this. This is the internet. It is a u.s. based internet site...yet the private entity that owns this forum can dictate what and how we discuss things here. Vulgar or not, they have control as it is their property.You can talk bad about the owners of this site anywhere you want to under your own format. However, as it is their property, they do not have to allow it to go on here.
Protests, can not be done on private property, they have to be done on the public property.
Gatta love George!!
Vulgar language is not a right, it's a choice.
I believe that is where the confusion lies, alot of people think its there right do do whatever whereas it is a choice.
The right to bear arms, free speech, (vulgar language is often referred here as my step son points out) and religion.
It all comes down to the choice being made. JMO
This forum is a great example of this. This is the internet. It is a u.s. based internet site...yet the private entity that owns this forum can dictate what and how we discuss things here. Vulgar or not, they have control as it is their property.You can talk bad about the owners of this site anywhere you want to under your own format. However, as it is their property, they do not have to allow it to go on here.
Protests, can not be done on private property, they have to be done on the public property.
darthtang aw
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Why should someone's Constitutional right trump/circumvent someone's personal rights or beliefs? If I'm a business owner, and I don't want someone carrying a gun into MY business,I should have the RIGHT to deny them entry.
Vulger speech isn't a right? Is that spelled out somewhere in the 1st? It's not allowed on certain broadcasts because the FCC created a law stating so. I believe that was taken to the Supreme Court one time for violating the 1st, and the SCOTUS agreed with the FCC. On the flip side, didn't the SCOTUS just overrule the FCC for fining CBS for the infamous Janet Jackson wardrobe malfunction during the Super Bowl?
Should you be able to prevent a certain race from entering your store?
Vulger speech isn't a right? Is that spelled out somewhere in the 1st? It's not allowed on certain broadcasts because the FCC created a law stating so. I believe that was taken to the Supreme Court one time for violating the 1st, and the SCOTUS agreed with the FCC. On the flip side, didn't the SCOTUS just overrule the FCC for fining CBS for the infamous Janet Jackson wardrobe malfunction during the Super Bowl?
Should you be able to prevent a certain race from entering your store?
reefraff
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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///t/392453/why-carry-a-gun/100#post_3485708
Why should someone's Constitutional right trump/circumvent someone's personal rights or beliefs? If I'm a business owner, and I don't want someone carrying a gun into MY business,I should have the RIGHT to deny them entry.
Vulger speech isn't a right? Is that spelled out somewhere in the 1st? It's not allowed on certain broadcasts because the FCC created a law stating so. I believe that was taken to the Supreme Court one time for violating the 1st, and the SCOTUS agreed with the FCC. On the flip side, didn't the SCOTUS just overrule the FCC for fining CBS for the infamous Janet Jackson wardrobe malfunction during the Super Bowl?
No, the court ruled certain speech could be limited. Don't get me wrong, I think a business owner should have control over what occurs on their property. It's just where do you draw the line?
Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///t/392453/why-carry-a-gun/100#post_3485708
Why should someone's Constitutional right trump/circumvent someone's personal rights or beliefs? If I'm a business owner, and I don't want someone carrying a gun into MY business,I should have the RIGHT to deny them entry.
Vulger speech isn't a right? Is that spelled out somewhere in the 1st? It's not allowed on certain broadcasts because the FCC created a law stating so. I believe that was taken to the Supreme Court one time for violating the 1st, and the SCOTUS agreed with the FCC. On the flip side, didn't the SCOTUS just overrule the FCC for fining CBS for the infamous Janet Jackson wardrobe malfunction during the Super Bowl?
No, the court ruled certain speech could be limited. Don't get me wrong, I think a business owner should have control over what occurs on their property. It's just where do you draw the line?
bionicarm
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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///t/392453/why-carry-a-gun/100#post_3485711
Should you be able to prevent a certain race from entering your store?
Look no further than New York where several restaurants have been accused of doing just that. What do you think they did for decades in the Good Ole South in the 50's and 60's. White Only Bathrooms. White Only Buses and Taxis. White Only restaurants. The list goes on.
Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///t/392453/why-carry-a-gun/100#post_3485711
Should you be able to prevent a certain race from entering your store?
Look no further than New York where several restaurants have been accused of doing just that. What do you think they did for decades in the Good Ole South in the 50's and 60's. White Only Bathrooms. White Only Buses and Taxis. White Only restaurants. The list goes on.
darthtang aw
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Look no further than New York where several restaurants have been accused of doing just that. What do you think they did for decades in the Good Ole South in the 50's and 60's. White Only Bathrooms. White Only Buses and Taxis. White Only restaurants. The list goes on.
That didn't answer the question.
That didn't answer the question.
bionicarm
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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///t/392453/why-carry-a-gun/100#post_3485733
That didn't answer the question.
Yes it did. You just don't want to accept the answer. If a private business wants to restrict access to ANYONE or ANYTHING into their facilities, they should have the right to do so. If someone disagrees with those principles, take it up the legal channels, and let the SCOTUS ultimately determine whose right or wrong. State legislation shouldn't be allowed to determine how an individual runs their business. You'll off course use the inane logic, "If you don't like how your state dictates what you do, move to another state." That's why we have FEDERAL laws, so people don't have to pick up and move their entire livelihood just because a specific state dictates some law that any other state in this country doesn't. This is the UNITED STATES of America, not the 50 Independent States of America. If you want to run each state independently, then close all the state borders, make them 50 independent countries, and run them as such.
Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///t/392453/why-carry-a-gun/100#post_3485733
That didn't answer the question.
Yes it did. You just don't want to accept the answer. If a private business wants to restrict access to ANYONE or ANYTHING into their facilities, they should have the right to do so. If someone disagrees with those principles, take it up the legal channels, and let the SCOTUS ultimately determine whose right or wrong. State legislation shouldn't be allowed to determine how an individual runs their business. You'll off course use the inane logic, "If you don't like how your state dictates what you do, move to another state." That's why we have FEDERAL laws, so people don't have to pick up and move their entire livelihood just because a specific state dictates some law that any other state in this country doesn't. This is the UNITED STATES of America, not the 50 Independent States of America. If you want to run each state independently, then close all the state borders, make them 50 independent countries, and run them as such.
darthtang aw
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Yes it did. You just don't want to accept the answer. If a private business wants to restrict access to ANYONE or ANYTHING into their facilities, they should have the right to do so. If someone disagrees with those principles, take it up the legal channels, and let the SCOTUS ultimately determine whose right or wrong. State legislation shouldn't be allowed to determine how an individual runs their business. You'll off course use the inane logic, "If you don't like how your state dictates what you do, move to another state." That's why we have FEDERAL laws, so people don't have to pick up and move their entire livelihood just because a specific state dictates some law that any other state in this country doesn't. This is the UNITED STATES of America, not the 50 Independent States of America. If you want to run each state independently, then close all the state borders, make them 50 independent countries, and run them as such.
So then, you feel you should be able to deny entrance and patronage of your business based on race? I am actually on the fence concerning certain business "rights". I am just curious how far some feel those rights extend.
So then, you feel you should be able to deny entrance and patronage of your business based on race? I am actually on the fence concerning certain business "rights". I am just curious how far some feel those rights extend.