Wife and I put our deposit down on our first Puppy!

[fenrir]

Originally Posted by shogun323
http:///forum/post/3048063
I'll put our male, Gibson's, snoring and snorting against any pug. He sounds like a pig 24/7. It's quite endearing. On the other hand, Penelope, our female, doesnt snore or snort at all.
Either way I think this breed was perfect for my wife and I. We were looking for a good family dog and the Boston eventually won out agianst the Samoyed and Shiba Inu when we went to visit different breeders and met the dogs. I have a question if you don't mind me asking, how much did you pay for yours? We ended up paying $475 for our puppy and she will have up to her second round of shots.

 

[fenrir]

Well my wife and I tried to get our puppy a week early (9 weeks). I called the breeder after work today to see if we could drop by and pick her up. He informed me that yesterday durring the puppies second shots they found that our puppy has cherry eye in her left eye. He told me that they are treating it with drops at the moment but she may need surgery before we get her. Would this be a deal breaker? I have never dealt with cherry eye before or herd of it, any ideas?

 

[meowzer]

I never heard of it either, BUT I would be doing some serious research....It is genetic? Did you want to breed this dog?
Is this a reputable breeder?

 

[fenrir]

From what I have read it will need surgery and it is a simple procedure to fix the problem. They are good breeders and have some good references. We do not want to breed her because Bostons need a c section to give birth. They did tell us that they want to have this taken care of before we get the puppy. My question is whether or not I should get a written guarantee that this will not show up agian?

 

[meowzer]

If these dogs cost in Ohio...what Pugs cost in NY...I would want a guarantee in writing....That's just me...IDK what you are paying for the dog....base it on that
WHERES AL MC

 

[fenrir]

We are paying $475 for the dog which is a good price for the breed here. From what I have seen around before putting the deposit down they were running in the high $500 range.

 

[pezenfuego]

The surgery isn't very expensive but I've heard that despite the good success rates (80-85%) that there is a pretty high relapse rate. The good part about it is that it is not painful to the dog.

 

[meowzer]

Originally Posted by PEZenfuego
http:///forum/post/3054434
The surgery isn't very expensive but I've heard that despite the good success rates (80-85%) that there is a pretty high relapse rate. The good part about it is that it is not painful to the dog.
PEZ, Just out of curiosity...where did you hear this? From an actual person, or did you read about it?

 

[pezenfuego]

Originally Posted by meowzer
http:///forum/post/3054435
PEZ, Just out of curiosity...where did you hear this? From an actual person, or did you read about it?
I read it on wikipedia and I know it was true because I edited it myself yesterday...just kidding:
We studied cherry eye in my animal science class when we had the dog unit...
So it was either a book or my teacher I can't remember which.

 

[meowzer]

Originally Posted by PEZenfuego
http:///forum/post/3054441
I read it on wikipedia and I know it was true because I edited it myself yesterday...just kidding:
We studied cherry eye in my animal science class when we had the dog unit...
So it was either a book or my teacher I can't remember which.
HMMM...Interesting study.....Like I said I have never heard of it myself...

 

[teresaq]

There are at least one or two vets here, I would post a question about it asking for thier opinion or talk to your vet if you have one.
T

 

[nw2salt08]

My mom's weimaraner had this issue. It's fairly common. It's not genetic. It didn't come back after her dog had surgery. Really all they have to do is flip the lid back down and sew it. The success rate is pretty good odds. This info came from our vet. It can happen from something as simple as a litter fight. That's how Dinky got her cherry eye.

 

[fenrir]

Yeah I will call my vet tomorrow afternoon about what to do.. My wife and I are very excited about getting our first dog and have spent the alst couple of weeks puppy proofing and buying supplies. She is a really sweat dog I just want to make sure this isn't the first in a series of bad health issues.

 

[al mc]

Cherry eye is a poor medical, but good descriptive term. The cherry eye is actually a gland that produces tears. It is located on the inner surface of the dog's third eyelid. Usually you never see this tissue. When it gets inflammed, it becomes red and swollen and 'pops' up where you can see it. Since it looks like a cherry, it is called cherry eye.
The first course of treatment is medical...eyedrops containing antibiotics and
corticosteroids. If that fails one of two surgical procedures can be done.
The oldest one....remove the gland. This guarantees that it will not come back...but, since you are removing a gland that produces tears you may get
'keratitis sicca' (a dry eye) in the future that will require the application of artificial tears 3-4x daily.
The newer surgery tries to remedy the 'dry eye' by suturing the gland back down where it is no longer visible. Problem: More expensive and recurrence rate is about 50%. In addition, some recent research suggests that you still may get a dry eye as suturing the gland may cause scar tissue to form and reduce tear production anyway.

This cherry eye is common in pugs, bostons, bulldogs and cocker spaniels.
IF you did nothing about it it will NOT cause any problems. It is almost entirely a cosmetic problem...but admittably it looks ugly.
Personally, if I liked the dog this would not cause me to pass on it. I might try to get a 'credit' from the breeder of say $100 to be given to me if I needed/wanted to have surgery done in the future.

 

[shogun323]

Originally Posted by Fenrir
http:///forum/post/3048315
Either way I think this breed was perfect for my wife and I. We were looking for a good family dog and the Boston eventually won out agianst the Samoyed and Shiba Inu when we went to visit different breeders and met the dogs. I have a question if you don't mind me asking, how much did you pay for yours? We ended up paying $475 for our puppy and she will have up to her second round of shots.
Sorry it took so long to respond. My attendance here is spotty. We paid $350 each for them. One was from a local breeder and the other was from stupid people that didn't invest any time in him.

 

[pezenfuego]

Originally Posted by Al Mc
http:///forum/post/3054475
Cherry eye is a poor medical, but good descriptive term. The cherry eye is actually a gland that produces tears. It is located on the inner surface of the dog's third eyelid. Usually you never see this tissue. When it gets inflammed, it becomes red and swollen and 'pops' up where you can see it. Since it looks like a cherry, it is called cherry eye.
The first course of treatment is medical...eyedrops containing antibiotics and
corticosteroids. If that fails one of two surgical procedures can be done.
The oldest one....remove the gland. This guarantees that it will not come back...but, since you are removing a gland that produces tears you may get
'keratitis sicca' (a dry eye) in the future that will require the application of artificial tears 3-4x daily.
The newer surgery tries to remedy the 'dry eye' by suturing the gland back down where it is no longer visible. Problem: More expensive and recurrence rate is about 50%. In addition, some recent research suggests that you still may get a dry eye as suturing the gland may cause scar tissue to form and reduce tear production anyway.

This cherry eye is common in pugs, bostons, bulldogs and cocker spaniels.
IF you did nothing about it it will NOT cause any problems. It is almost entirely a cosmetic problem...but admittably it looks ugly.
Personally, if I liked the dog this would not cause me to pass on it. I might try to get a 'credit' from the breeder of say $100 to be given to me if I needed/wanted to have surgery done in the future.
Interesting stuff. I didn't realize it was mostly cosmetic. So it is possible that with drops, he won't have to get a surgery?

 

[al mc]

Originally Posted by PEZenfuego
http:///forum/post/3054901
Interesting stuff. I didn't realize it was mostly cosmetic. So it is possible that with drops, he won't have to get a surgery?
He actually never has to get surgery even if the drops are not effective. The swollen tissue will not harm the eye. However, it is cosmetically really unattractive so most people will have one of the surgical procedures done.
I usually suggest the surgery to remove the gland to my clients but also offer the newer surgical procedure if they want it..just frustrating as even in the hands of a specialist the cherry eye will many times return with the newer procedure.

 

[fenrir]

Originally Posted by Al Mc
http:///forum/post/3054962
He actually never has to get surgery even if the drops are not effective. The swollen tissue will not harm the eye. However, it is cosmetically really unattractive so most people will have one of the surgical procedures done.
I usually suggest the surgery to remove the gland to my clients but also offer the newer surgical procedure if they want it..just frustrating as even in the hands of a specialist the cherry eye will many times return with the newer procedure.
Thanks for the info but I have been reading that if you remove the gland you will have to give the dog eye drops 3 to 4 times a day every day to keep the eye dry. Is that true? It's good to know that it is just cosmetic, we both really like the dog we may just talk them down since the dog is "defective" in a sense.

 

[al mc]

Originally Posted by Fenrir
http:///forum/post/3054965
Thanks for the info but I have been reading that if you remove the gland you will have to give the dog eye drops 3 to 4 times a day every day to keep the eye dry. Is that true? It's good to know that it is just cosmetic, we both really like the dog we may just talk them down since the dog is "defective" in a sense.
If the gland is removed you 'may' have to use artificial tears if he fails to produce enough tears to kep the eye moist. This 'keratitis sicca' is not always a consequence of the surgery but it is more than likely that it will occur sometime down the road.
I have many clients that elect not to do anything if the eye drops do not cause the gland to go down on it's own. While you can not use terms like 'never' or 'always' in medicine, I have yet to personally have any trouble if you just elect to leave the 'cherry eye' in place.
As I indicated before, this problem alone would not make me pass on this puppy if it comes from good stock and is fairly priced.

 

[fenrir]

Picked up our puppy yesterday and she has been great so far! No accidents inside the house yet and she already know to whine at the back door to go out! The breeder took off the price of the surgery from the total price of the dog. Here are some pictures of her this morning in the back yard while I read the paper.
Oh and her full name is Ms. Black Betty, Betty for short!