William Ayers....

[geridoc]

Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2799146
As long as you ignore the little fact, that McCain was captured and tortured, Obama did so willingly.

To paraphrase John McCain, "He claims to have been tortured, but until we have all the facts..."

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by GeriDoc
http:///forum/post/2799162
To paraphrase John McCain, "He claims to have been tortured, but until we have all the facts..."
I guess the limp, and the arm range of motion was self inflicted, or just an act?

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2798886
What does that mean? Totally missed that one...
And neither did Obama, but you treat him like he did. In 19 days, no one is going to give a rat's

% who Bill Ayers is. McCain's character is no cleaner than Obama's. He cheated on his wife, and that's OK? Oh, but that's different. Everyone does that. I still can't believe that you people actually think that because he had a brief acquaintance with this guy, even though several other respected Republican and Democratic figures were on this same baord, that this determines his overall character. Incredible.
You had a couple of the nutcase dems in congress, say that Gustov was proof that god exists.
Well wait, I thought obama was a fresh face, free of "special interests" are you admitting that he is dirty?
And did I just hear a democrat say cheating on your wife is a character flaw?

 

[bionicarm]

Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2799272
You had a couple of the nutcase dems in congress, say that Gustov was proof that god exists.
Well wait, I thought obama was a fresh face, free of "special interests" are you admitting that he is dirty?
And did I just hear a democrat say cheating on your wife is a character flaw?

Sorry, I was never a big Clinton fan. I don't look at a persons party affiliation to determine who I vote for. I look at what they have to offer to better me and this country. No matter what a Democrat has to offer, you wouldn't vote for them. McCain could run his campaign with, "I think I'll tax everyone" and you'd still vote for him because he's Republican. That's ignorant. Look at the overall issues people. I don't like Obama's tax plan that much either. But his energy, healthcare, and education plans far outweigh McCain's, if you could ever get out of him what they are. You're missing the big picture mentality. You want to run Obama out on a rail because he was briefly involved with a radical that has done absolutely nothing for over 30 years. You exonorate what Liddy did just because he served time? What reasoning is that? Bottom line, both of these candidates have dealt with shady characters throughout their lives. Practically every president has. Your logic is, if he has good character, he'll be honest with the people. Yea right. Show me one true honest politician. Just one.

 

[hlcroghan]

Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2799050

did I just hear a democrat say someone is bad for cheating on his wife?

coo-lew-ff coo-in-ff coo-sky-ff
When have you ever gotten the impression that Democrats thought it was okay? I sure didn't. That is a large part of someone's character. But he wasn't there to be my friend. My view was simply that he did a good job as president and I was very happy with how stable the economy was when he was in office. I don't necessarily believe he was a nice person. It is the same with the candidates that are up now. I don't care who their friends are or what they do with their personal lives (i.e. Ayers or cheating on spouses) when it has to do with the presidency. Some of the best leaders of the country were alcoholics or had serious personal issues. I care how they are going to make this country better for my children and future generations. Bush has pretty much flushed it down the toilet. McCain has MANY of the same views and ideas of what to do with the country. Therefore, I do not support him getting the presidency. It's kind of a logic thing. If Obama had the same views that Bush had and supported the same laws and bills(for example) and McCain didn't, I would support McCain.

 

[stdreb27]

When have you ever gotten the impression that Democrats thought it was okay? I sure didn't. That is a large part of someone's character. QUOTE]
Oh I dunno maybe the argument that it was his private life. Or maybe David Paterson...

 

[hlcroghan]

Originally Posted by hlcroghan
http:///forum/post/2799388
When have you ever gotten the impression that Democrats thought it was okay? I sure didn't. That is a large part of someone's character. QUOTE]
Oh I dunno maybe the argument that it was his private life. Or maybe David Paterson...

It is his private life. I don't think that being unfaithful to your spouse has any thing to do with how well you can run the country or get things done. It just means you may or may not be a good husband. They are still married. They obviously worked it out. It's a moot point to me.

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by hlcroghan
http:///forum/post/2799405
It is his private life. I don't think that being unfaithful to your spouse has any thing to do with how well you can run the country or get things done. It just means you may or may not be a good husband. They are still married. They obviously worked it out. It's a moot point to me.
Maybe I'm missing something, but follow me here, if philandering is a reflection on your character, as you've said, "That is a large part of someone's character." But then you say "I don't think that being unfaithful to your spouse has any thing to do with how well you can run the country..." This leads me to think you're saying that character has nothing to do how well you can run the country.
This doesn't make any sense.

 

[1journeyman]

Originally Posted by GeriDoc
http:///forum/post/2799142
If you are implying that Obama would fail to qualify for a security clearance because of his "relationship" with Bill Ayers, then by that same "reasoning, John McCain would fail to qualify because of his well documented close 5 year relationship with Vietnamese Communists, which is just plain silly.
That is one of the most odd comments you've ever made; unless you are saying either:
*Senator McCain deliberately was shot down, almost killed and tortured
*Senator Obama was kidnapped by Ayers and forced to hang out with the guy..
Don't take my word for this... talk to someone who you trust that has undergone the Clearance vetting process...

 

[bionicarm]

Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2799452
That is one of the most odd comments you've ever made; unless you are saying either:
*Senator McCain deliberately was shot down, almost killed and tortured
*Senator Obama was kidnapped by Ayers and forced to hang out with the guy..
Don't take my word for this... talk to someone who you trust that has undergone the Clearance vetting process...
Coming from someone who had a TS clearance for over 10 years, I would say they would investigate his relationship with Ayers. They would most likely have a one-on-one conversation with Ayers to see what exactly he did discuss with Obama. Based on what Obama has stated specifically of this relationship, I would guess they would say it was a non-issue and move on.
You don't think his background hasn't been gone over with a fine tooth comb ever since he was nominated to the Democratic Ticket for the office of POTUS? The guy will have access to every secret this country owns. If Ayers was the threat you claim he is, Obama wouldn't even be where he is today.

 

[1journeyman]

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2799576
...
You don't think his background hasn't been gone over with a fine tooth comb ever since he was nominated to the Democratic Ticket for the office of POTUS? The guy will have access to every secret this country owns. If Ayers was the threat you claim he is, Obama wouldn't even be where he is today.
That's not correct. You don't undergo a Clearance screening to run for office in our country...

 

[jmick]

I love how the conservatives are putting so many resources towards Ayers and his tenuous link to Obama. It really goes to show just how desperate they are and how stupid they think the American people really are. This isn't working and IMO, will further tarnish McCain’s faltering reputation.
I'm glad that Obama and his campaign stick to the issues and don't bring up dirt on McCain's ring of shady characters:
William Timmons, who is McCain’s Transition Chief who lobbied on behalf of Sadam Hussein to help lift sanctions against Iraq (note, two lobbyist he worked with went to prison for acting as unregistered agents of Sadam's gov.)
Doug Goodyear, who was hired to handle the convention for the GOP was acting as lobbyist for Burma's military Junta (known for severe human rights violations)
William Keating, who went to prison for swindling the American people and ultimately costing tax payers $250 billion dollars.
Foreclosure Phil Graham, who we can thank for the Enron Loophole.
G. Gordon Liddy, during the same period that Bill Ayers was a member of the Weather Underground, Gordon Liddy was making plans to firebomb a Washington think tank, assassinate a prominent journalist, undertake the Watergate burglary, break into the office of Daniel Ellsberg's psychiatrist, and kidnap anti-war protesters at the 1972 Republican convention.
Todd Palin, who is/was a member of the Alaskan Independence Party, a group that hates America and wants to succeed and become an independent nation. If anyone wants a curious read look up the name Joe Vogler, who founded AIP and said things such as...Vogler has been quoted as stating "I'm an Alaskan, not an American. I've got no use for America or her damned institutions."
John Hagee, the noted anti-Catholic, anti-Semitic and gay hating pastor whose endorsement McCain happily accepted.
Oliver North, who the McCain camp was proud to be endorsed by was indicted on 16 felony counts in connection to the Iran-Contra Affair and is a traitor to the United States also had his hands in drug trafficking.
What I really enjoy, is that fact that each one of these people are meaningless because Obama is running a real campaign with real issues that the American people care about. That said, when you rightwing hate mongers want to question Obama's character please take the time to do the same for McCain. Also find it intersting the someone like Journey, would defend McCain when he doesn't even like him. Makes me wonder if he'd do the same if the GOP were to put a monkey in a suit and claim it was against abortion, pro-guns, anti gay rights and was a proponent of the free market econmony

 

[1journeyman]

Originally Posted by Jmick
http:///forum/post/2799628
... Also find it intersting the someone like Journey, would defend McCain when he doesn't even like him. Makes me wonder if he'd do the same if the GOP were to put a monkey in a suit and claim it was against abortion, pro-guns, anti gay rights and was a proponent of the free market econmony

If said monkey were defending the sanctity of the United States Constitution I'd gladly bow to it and defend it.

 

[jmick]

Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2799633
If said monkey were defending the sanctity of the United States Constitution I'd gladly bow to it and defend it.
No my friend, all you'd need is the endorsement of the GOP and you'd gladly bow your head.

 

[1journeyman]

Originally Posted by Jmick
http:///forum/post/2799635
No my friend, all you'd need is the endorsement of the GOP and you'd gladly bow your head.
Careful with the word "friend" Jmick; unlike your candidate you should choose your friends carefully

No. I don't blindly follow the GOP. I do, however, faithfully defend the Constitution.
As I have pointed out, Senator Obama has directly attacked it's core.

 

[stdreb27]

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by Jmick
http:///forum/post/2799628
I love how the conservatives are putting so many resources towards Ayers and his tenuous link to Obama. It really goes to show just how desperate they are and how stupid they think the American people really are. This isn't working and IMO, will further tarnish McCain’s faltering reputation.
I'm glad that Obama and his campaign stick to the issues and don't bring up dirt on McCain's ring of shady characters:
William Timmons, who is McCain’s Transition Chief who lobbied on behalf of Sadam Hussein to help lift sanctions against Iraq (note, two lobbyist he worked with went to prison for acting as unregistered agents of Sadam's gov.)
Doug Goodyear, who was hired to handle the convention for the GOP was acting as lobbyist for Burma's military Junta (known for severe human rights violations)
William Keating, who went to prison for swindling the American people and ultimately costing tax payers $250 billion dollars.
Foreclosure Phil Graham, who we can thank for the Enron Loophole.
G. Gordon Liddy, during the same period that Bill Ayers was a member of the Weather Underground, Gordon Liddy was making plans to firebomb a Washington think tank, assassinate a prominent journalist, undertake the Watergate burglary, break into the office of Daniel Ellsberg's psychiatrist, and kidnap anti-war protesters at the 1972 Republican convention.
Todd Palin, who is/was a member of the Alaskan Independence Party, a group that hates America and wants to succeed and become an independent nation. If anyone wants a curious read look up the name Joe Vogler, who founded AIP and said things such as...Vogler has been quoted as stating "I'm an Alaskan, not an American. I've got no use for America or her damned institutions."
John Hagee, the noted anti-Catholic, anti-Semitic and gay hating pastor whose endorsement McCain happily accepted.
Oliver North, who the McCain camp was proud to be endorsed by was indicted on 16 felony counts in connection to the Iran-Contra Affair and is a traitor to the United States also had his hands in drug trafficking.
What I really enjoy, is that fact that each one of these people are meaningless because Obama is running a real campaign with real issues that the American people care about. That said, when you rightwing hate mongers want to question Obama's character please take the time to do the same for McCain. Also find it intersting the someone like Journey, would defend McCain when he doesn't even like him. Makes me wonder if he'd do the same if the GOP were to put a monkey in a suit and claim it was against abortion, pro-guns, anti gay rights and was a proponent of the free market econmony

When I see this, it makes me think of a guy a giant gun of some sort. Then you in opposition jumping in and pulling out a pastic spork and saying ok lets go!

 

[jmick]

Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2799689
When I see this, it makes me think of a guy a giant gun of some sort. Then you in opposition jumping in and pulling out a pastic spork and saying ok lets go!
Come on stdreb, when you have something to say it's usually pretty good but this is rather silly.
Although, I am not surprised you'd find any opportunity to lambaste Obama over Ayers and Wright but find no fault with any of the associations that McCain would have that cast a negative light on his credibility.

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2799643
Careful with the word "friend" Jmick; unlike your candidate you should choose your friends carefully

No. I don't blindly follow the GOP. I do, however, faithfully defend the Constitution.
As I have pointed out, Senator Obama has directly attacked it's core.
Actually there is nothing in the constitution that would prevent Obama from implementing most of the Marxist policies he champions. That is the truly scary thing, the number of people who assume the Constitution can prevent those kinds of policy changes.
Take the fairness doctrine as a prime example. Can't happen here because of the first amendment right? Wrong, That isn't a new policy, it was in place for years back when there were 3 TV networks and no talk radio.

 

[1journeyman]

Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/2799728
Actually there is nothing in the constitution that would prevent Obama from implementing most of the Marxist policies he champions. That is the truly scary thing, the number of people who assume the Constitution can prevent those kinds of policy changes.
Take the fairness doctrine as a prime example. Can't happen here because of the first amendment right? Wrong, That isn't a new policy, it was in place for years back when there were 3 TV networks and no talk radio.
Agreed, due to activist judges.
That's the truly scary part; Our founding fathers never envisioned one of the three branches going "off the reservation". If judges did their job then the 10 Amendment would be a safeguard against marxism.