reefreak29
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why dont u think god created everything in 7 days when all he did was speak it into exsistance
Would You Hire a Vocal Atheist?
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phixer
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Originally Posted by Cannonman
I think this is one really American problem.. everybody is affraid these a days that they are going to offend somebody- I mean really. I'm not athiest and I wouldn't want one working for me but I have the b@lls to say it- most don't. Sure you have just as much right as the next guy right?? Well don't I have a right to say I don't want this person then to? Is this person's right to be an outspoken athiest more important than my right to be an outspoken anti athiest???????? Nobody can say anything anymore without somebody being offended and it makes me sick to my stomach... people are getting so used to being force fed all this JUNK my the MEDIA that they take if for granted now and can't even tell the difference between right and wrong anymore.. IMO it's why we can't seem to win a war anymore either... because Americans can't stomach it anymore...war is HELL and war in NOT nice and we (in general as Americans) can't handle it..(what it takes to win a war) I'm talking about the public, not our soldiers, which are just as dedicated and just as courageous as they have ever been EXCEPT that we and our elected officials TIE THEIR HANDS so they can't fight...(wouldn't want to accidentally kill an innocent person now would we?????) Wouldn't want to accidentally destroy a hospital???would we? No, DESPITE the fact that these people we're fighting can do whatever they want to.. despite the fact that they will use schools, hospitals, and mosques to store weapons and plant their next attack.. these people know how to fight dirty and what they should get is a good old fashioned but kicking by the good old USA BUT: we can't do that... because that wouldn't be nice and some liberal freak in LA would lead a million man march to the capital to protest the horrible war and the destruction of schools and what not.. I don't think we even have any business being there but if you're going to fight a war then do it right and get it over with... they take an American civilian hostage and cut off his head on tape then go and grab the first 100 of them you see and hang them in public for all to see... wonder how many more hostages they would take? So would I hire the outspoken athiest? No. Why? Because I don't like outspoken athiest as a general rule of thumb.
Be careful or the liberals will try to smear you. Its their secret weapon.
Your absoloutely correct, political correctness is weakening our society. I've noticed the ones who get offended often lack self confidence and have difficulty defending their positions with factual information. Im not saying to intentionally be a jerk to people but the overly sensitive distortion of reality by people like Al Franken, Rosie Odonnel, Tim Robbins and many others is ridiculous, tolerance dosent mean acceptance. If they want acceptance of their lunacy they should move to France.
"Weakness of attitude becomes weakness of character".
I think this is one really American problem.. everybody is affraid these a days that they are going to offend somebody- I mean really. I'm not athiest and I wouldn't want one working for me but I have the b@lls to say it- most don't. Sure you have just as much right as the next guy right?? Well don't I have a right to say I don't want this person then to? Is this person's right to be an outspoken athiest more important than my right to be an outspoken anti athiest???????? Nobody can say anything anymore without somebody being offended and it makes me sick to my stomach... people are getting so used to being force fed all this JUNK my the MEDIA that they take if for granted now and can't even tell the difference between right and wrong anymore.. IMO it's why we can't seem to win a war anymore either... because Americans can't stomach it anymore...war is HELL and war in NOT nice and we (in general as Americans) can't handle it..(what it takes to win a war) I'm talking about the public, not our soldiers, which are just as dedicated and just as courageous as they have ever been EXCEPT that we and our elected officials TIE THEIR HANDS so they can't fight...(wouldn't want to accidentally kill an innocent person now would we?????) Wouldn't want to accidentally destroy a hospital???would we? No, DESPITE the fact that these people we're fighting can do whatever they want to.. despite the fact that they will use schools, hospitals, and mosques to store weapons and plant their next attack.. these people know how to fight dirty and what they should get is a good old fashioned but kicking by the good old USA BUT: we can't do that... because that wouldn't be nice and some liberal freak in LA would lead a million man march to the capital to protest the horrible war and the destruction of schools and what not.. I don't think we even have any business being there but if you're going to fight a war then do it right and get it over with... they take an American civilian hostage and cut off his head on tape then go and grab the first 100 of them you see and hang them in public for all to see... wonder how many more hostages they would take? So would I hire the outspoken athiest? No. Why? Because I don't like outspoken athiest as a general rule of thumb.
Be careful or the liberals will try to smear you. Its their secret weapon.
"Weakness of attitude becomes weakness of character".
garnet13aj
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wouldn't want to accidentally kill an innocent person now would we?????
umm, no, I don't believe we would. If the situation was reverse and our country was being invaded, I wouldn't wan't to be the innocent bystander killed. I don't understand why we would want any innocents to be killed. I think this quote is disgusting. Just throwing that out there so it doesn't go unnoticed, even though it's a ways back in the discussion--I can't seem to keep up!
I do agree w/some of the rest of the previous quote though, namely the fact that people are too sensitive. I'm definitely not for the war, but now that we have stuck our nose in we can't just leave.
On another note. I've heard the explanation that a "day" in earth's beginning wasn't necessarily defined, so it makes sense to me that it may not be a literal translation. If days didn't exist, then a day could be any amount of time. I don't hold anything in the bible to automatically be true just because it is written down, but the explanation at least makes sense to me.
umm, no, I don't believe we would. If the situation was reverse and our country was being invaded, I wouldn't wan't to be the innocent bystander killed. I don't understand why we would want any innocents to be killed. I think this quote is disgusting. Just throwing that out there so it doesn't go unnoticed, even though it's a ways back in the discussion--I can't seem to keep up!
I do agree w/some of the rest of the previous quote though, namely the fact that people are too sensitive. I'm definitely not for the war, but now that we have stuck our nose in we can't just leave.
On another note. I've heard the explanation that a "day" in earth's beginning wasn't necessarily defined, so it makes sense to me that it may not be a literal translation. If days didn't exist, then a day could be any amount of time. I don't hold anything in the bible to automatically be true just because it is written down, but the explanation at least makes sense to me.
cannonman
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"umm, no, I don't believe we would. If the situation was reverse and our country was being invaded, I wouldn't wan't to be the innocent bystander killed."
YEAH- I'm sure when the day comes that our country gets invaded who ever does it will be real careful not to hurt you or anybody in your family.... see, can't stomach what actually happens in war. It isn't about here, take this gun, plane etc. but be very careful, we don't want any collateral damage now.. thats a bunch of horse apples. Keep in mind this whole time that I'm not really even supporting the war, ALL I'm saying is if you're going to do it then go and do it right, you can fight all the wars you want like we do now (being nice) but we will NEVER win one doing this.
The Islamic extremest want to play dirty- lets show them how. The day after 9-11 we should have went "over there" and completely errased one of their holy cities from the face of the Earth forever... problem solved.
YEAH- I'm sure when the day comes that our country gets invaded who ever does it will be real careful not to hurt you or anybody in your family.... see, can't stomach what actually happens in war. It isn't about here, take this gun, plane etc. but be very careful, we don't want any collateral damage now.. thats a bunch of horse apples. Keep in mind this whole time that I'm not really even supporting the war, ALL I'm saying is if you're going to do it then go and do it right, you can fight all the wars you want like we do now (being nice) but we will NEVER win one doing this.
The Islamic extremest want to play dirty- lets show them how. The day after 9-11 we should have went "over there" and completely errased one of their holy cities from the face of the Earth forever... problem solved.
garnet13aj
Active Member
"umm, no, I don't believe we would. If the situation was reverse and our country was being invaded, I wouldn't wan't to be the innocent bystander killed."
YEAH- I'm sure when the day comes that our country gets invaded who ever does it will be real careful not to hurt you or anybody in your family.... see, can't stomach what actually happens in war.
Here's the thing. There is a difference between saying innocents get killed in war, it's extremely unfortunate, but it happens and the end result is worth it. "Wanting" innocents to get killed implies a feeling of glee, and no, I wouldn't have a feeling of glee at the idea of an innocent bystander getting killed, no matter what country they live in. Can you honestly sit there and say that you release a little giggle every time you hear of an innocent person getting killed as a result of a war? Wars are messy, that's why would should think a lot harder before we race into one. Like maybe clarifying before hand what our goals are and how we are going to carry them out to be as efficient and successful as possible. Something we did not do in the current war we are in.
YEAH- I'm sure when the day comes that our country gets invaded who ever does it will be real careful not to hurt you or anybody in your family.... see, can't stomach what actually happens in war.
Here's the thing. There is a difference between saying innocents get killed in war, it's extremely unfortunate, but it happens and the end result is worth it. "Wanting" innocents to get killed implies a feeling of glee, and no, I wouldn't have a feeling of glee at the idea of an innocent bystander getting killed, no matter what country they live in. Can you honestly sit there and say that you release a little giggle every time you hear of an innocent person getting killed as a result of a war? Wars are messy, that's why would should think a lot harder before we race into one. Like maybe clarifying before hand what our goals are and how we are going to carry them out to be as efficient and successful as possible. Something we did not do in the current war we are in.
garnet13aj
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And for anybody still interested in the poll, I didn't make it clear in the prompt really, but what I was asking was not if someone would hire a raving atheist that spoke of nothing else other than how stupid religious people were, but simply someone who expressed their views in a video that they subsequently placed on youtube for others to watch. But it's a completely unofficial poll, so I guess it doesn't make to much difference, it just furnishes a good discussion--that has gone in about every direction possible. Quite fun actually, in my opinion...
cannonman
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No, I take no pleasure in innocent civilians being killed, children in particular break my heart... that's not what I'm saying. I'm just saying that in general these things do happen in war- I agree 100% that we should think about it a little more before getting into it- and that if we must then do it right and damned be the people that cry "that's so horrible, we can't do that!"
garnet13aj
Active Member
I see your point, and I think for the most point, we have the same views. So maybe a better choice of words would probably help the point your trying to make.
agent707
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Originally Posted by watson3
Do your parents know what you are doing online..
:notsure:
:thinking:
Probably not. They died of "old age" a long time ago.
No, I'm not some young "pup", as my icon makes me appear to be (though I get the feeling you are).
I'm still trying to figure out the point of what your comments at me are for. Just because you don't "see things the way I do" doesn't mean "I" don't know what I'm talking about.
This is a "discussion forum". Learn what they are, and are used for. People posts "opinions". When you do not agree with them, this does not automatically mean that they are wrong and don't know what they are talking about, and you are right.
If you want people to respect your own opinions, then learn to respect theirs.
Do your parents know what you are doing online..
:notsure:
:thinking:
Probably not. They died of "old age" a long time ago.
No, I'm not some young "pup", as my icon makes me appear to be (though I get the feeling you are).
I'm still trying to figure out the point of what your comments at me are for. Just because you don't "see things the way I do" doesn't mean "I" don't know what I'm talking about.
This is a "discussion forum". Learn what they are, and are used for. People posts "opinions". When you do not agree with them, this does not automatically mean that they are wrong and don't know what they are talking about, and you are right.
If you want people to respect your own opinions, then learn to respect theirs.
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yeffre kix
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Originally Posted by reefreak29
actually i would hire them in a heartbeat, its always exciting for me to witness to someone
Why do you feel the need to "witness" aka bore them to death with superstitious nonsense.
I was raised in the southern baptist church and found through most of my childhood and young adult life that their teachings didn't make any sense. Seems like and excuse to hate people who have different beliefs than your self.
Everyone has the right to believe whatever they wish and the workplace is not a environment for religious discussion.
actually i would hire them in a heartbeat, its always exciting for me to witness to someone
I was raised in the southern baptist church and found through most of my childhood and young adult life that their teachings didn't make any sense. Seems like and excuse to hate people who have different beliefs than your self.
Everyone has the right to believe whatever they wish and the workplace is not a environment for religious discussion.
agent707
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Originally Posted by Yeffre Kix
Why do you feel the need to "witness" aka bore them to death with superstitious nonsense.
I was raised in the southern baptist church and found through most of my childhood and young adult life that their teachings didn't make any sense. Seems like and excuse to hate people who have different beliefs than your self.
Everyone has the right to believe whatever they wish and the workplace is not a environment for religious discussion.
I have two things to say about this.
1) You are correct. The workplace is NO place to "witness" to anyone. When you are at work, you are paid to "work", and that's it.
If on your off time (break, lunch...etc.) someone feels the urge to "witness" to someone, they need to "ask" before they start shoveling.
Like "Do you go to church? - No? Would you like to hear about my church? - No? OK, have a nice day." --- and leave it at that.
Unfortunatly there are many OVER zealous folks out there that think "anytime is a good time to witness." and this is just wrong.
You witness to someone when God opens the door for you to witness... period.
2) What exactly do you mean by this?
Seems like and excuse to hate people who have different beliefs than your self.
Are you saying that christians hate people who have different beliefs that themselves?
Or, are you saying it is a good excuse for You to hate christians because of their belifs?
If you mean the former, then you are highly mistaken.
Anyone who "claims" they are a christian and "hates" someone is no christian indeed. Yea, I know- there are a Lot of them out there...
A true christian does not hate anyone. Period. They only hate the sin people do.
For instance, the insurgency in Iraq. I absolutely HATE what these insurgence are doing. Murdering people by the thousands. But what I don't hate, is the men themselves. I actually feel sorry and pitty for them, because I know what's going to happen to them when they die.
So. To the zealous christian - Don't witness to anyone that doesn't want to be. You wouldn't want someone telling you about how "cool" witchcraft is would you? Probably not. If they're not interested, what makes you think they are going to listen to you? They AREN'T!
The bible tells you to "pray" for someone... That's all you can do.
Why do you feel the need to "witness" aka bore them to death with superstitious nonsense.
I was raised in the southern baptist church and found through most of my childhood and young adult life that their teachings didn't make any sense. Seems like and excuse to hate people who have different beliefs than your self.
Everyone has the right to believe whatever they wish and the workplace is not a environment for religious discussion.
I have two things to say about this.
1) You are correct. The workplace is NO place to "witness" to anyone. When you are at work, you are paid to "work", and that's it.
If on your off time (break, lunch...etc.) someone feels the urge to "witness" to someone, they need to "ask" before they start shoveling.
Like "Do you go to church? - No? Would you like to hear about my church? - No? OK, have a nice day." --- and leave it at that.
Unfortunatly there are many OVER zealous folks out there that think "anytime is a good time to witness." and this is just wrong.
You witness to someone when God opens the door for you to witness... period.
2) What exactly do you mean by this?
Seems like and excuse to hate people who have different beliefs than your self.
Are you saying that christians hate people who have different beliefs that themselves?
Or, are you saying it is a good excuse for You to hate christians because of their belifs?
If you mean the former, then you are highly mistaken.
Anyone who "claims" they are a christian and "hates" someone is no christian indeed. Yea, I know- there are a Lot of them out there...
A true christian does not hate anyone. Period. They only hate the sin people do.
For instance, the insurgency in Iraq. I absolutely HATE what these insurgence are doing. Murdering people by the thousands. But what I don't hate, is the men themselves. I actually feel sorry and pitty for them, because I know what's going to happen to them when they die.
So. To the zealous christian - Don't witness to anyone that doesn't want to be. You wouldn't want someone telling you about how "cool" witchcraft is would you? Probably not. If they're not interested, what makes you think they are going to listen to you? They AREN'T!
The bible tells you to "pray" for someone... That's all you can do.
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yeffre kix
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Most of the people I went to church with were intolerant of other beliefs.
-Like the way a person chooses to worship, or the god they pray to.
-Personal choices that hurt no one. Like homosexuality because you don't feel the same way they do.
-How about organization against gambling, when the have "bingo nights" themselves. The bottom line with that they don't want people using discretionary income to gamble rather than paying their tyth to the church.
Christians believe the bible is the only true religious book and "god" is the only true deity. All other religious beliefs are wrong and going to hell.
Sorry but other religions have been around far longer and have many more beleivers.
Muslims have had their organized religion far longer than Christians.
You can go back even farther to buddhists and other Asian religions.
What makes your story better than theirs? All religions preach love and understanding but their followers pervert the teachings to discriminate against others. Bottom line is the Bible, the Koran, any other Religious beliefs were written by men and their prejudice is reflected in the writings.
-Like the way a person chooses to worship, or the god they pray to.
-Personal choices that hurt no one. Like homosexuality because you don't feel the same way they do.
-How about organization against gambling, when the have "bingo nights" themselves. The bottom line with that they don't want people using discretionary income to gamble rather than paying their tyth to the church.
Christians believe the bible is the only true religious book and "god" is the only true deity. All other religious beliefs are wrong and going to hell.
Sorry but other religions have been around far longer and have many more beleivers.
Muslims have had their organized religion far longer than Christians.
You can go back even farther to buddhists and other Asian religions.
What makes your story better than theirs? All religions preach love and understanding but their followers pervert the teachings to discriminate against others. Bottom line is the Bible, the Koran, any other Religious beliefs were written by men and their prejudice is reflected in the writings.