Would You Hire a Vocal Atheist?
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hagfish
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Originally Posted by Jmick
how bout some non christain sites...you think they might be biased? those are meaningless.
Did you actually read any of this? It's not just Christians hoping to get lucky and coming up with lame excuses. These are historians and archeologists, some who happened to turn to Christianity after their research, who found these things.
Even if they are Christian, believe it or not it is possible for them to make a real historical find.
Disprove what I gave you. I've made the claim. I've backed it up. You can't just say "oh a Christian discovered this so it doesn't count". I'm not doing lots of research again to reprove something that has not been unproven. I'm guessing you're surprised I came up with anything at all.
how bout some non christain sites...you think they might be biased? those are meaningless.
Did you actually read any of this? It's not just Christians hoping to get lucky and coming up with lame excuses. These are historians and archeologists, some who happened to turn to Christianity after their research, who found these things.
Even if they are Christian, believe it or not it is possible for them to make a real historical find.
Disprove what I gave you. I've made the claim. I've backed it up. You can't just say "oh a Christian discovered this so it doesn't count". I'm not doing lots of research again to reprove something that has not been unproven. I'm guessing you're surprised I came up with anything at all.
watson3
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Originally Posted by Jmick
also, why in the world didn't Jesus write anything himself? If he was the true son of god don't you think he would have felt compelled to write down all the great things he talked about?
I would be willing to bet there are all kinds of people that you believe existed that did not wirte books about themselves..You can not base decisions on whether or not there is evidence you can hold in your hand...
also, why in the world didn't Jesus write anything himself? If he was the true son of god don't you think he would have felt compelled to write down all the great things he talked about?
I would be willing to bet there are all kinds of people that you believe existed that did not wirte books about themselves..You can not base decisions on whether or not there is evidence you can hold in your hand...
jmick
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Originally Posted by hagfish
Did you actually read any of this? It's not just Christians hoping to get lucky and coming up with lame excuses. These are historians and archeologists, some who happened to turn to Christianity after their research, who found these things.
Even if they are Christian, believe it or not it is possible for them to make a real historical find.
Disprove what I gave you. I've made the claim. I've backed it up. You can't just say "oh a Christian discovered this so it doesn't count". I'm not doing lots of research again to reprove something that has not been unproven. I'm guessing you're surprised I came up with anything at all.
There is no way I am going to biblehistory.com and christainanswers.com, those are slanted to support Christians and give you token replies to any dismissal of your faith and bible. You didn't come up with anything that I found surprising, it's exactly what I expected.
I don’t think anyone ever said that everything in the bible is made up. What I stated is that Jesus did not exist and you can not provide any evidence (from his time) to prove that. Everything was written 40 to 1000 years later. I am sure there are cities mentioned in the bible that archeologists have discovered. Have they ever found the Ark of the Covenant, the Holy Grail, the body of Jesus?
Watson, Jesus clearly thought he was spreading the good word and doing mankind a great benefit. Don’t you think that he would have chronicled his ideas and thoughts so that his followers could spread his word in other places and in other times?
You have all faith and no fact to back up your belief and I think it’s admirable but not very pragmatic.
Did you actually read any of this? It's not just Christians hoping to get lucky and coming up with lame excuses. These are historians and archeologists, some who happened to turn to Christianity after their research, who found these things.
Even if they are Christian, believe it or not it is possible for them to make a real historical find.
Disprove what I gave you. I've made the claim. I've backed it up. You can't just say "oh a Christian discovered this so it doesn't count". I'm not doing lots of research again to reprove something that has not been unproven. I'm guessing you're surprised I came up with anything at all.
There is no way I am going to biblehistory.com and christainanswers.com, those are slanted to support Christians and give you token replies to any dismissal of your faith and bible. You didn't come up with anything that I found surprising, it's exactly what I expected.
I don’t think anyone ever said that everything in the bible is made up. What I stated is that Jesus did not exist and you can not provide any evidence (from his time) to prove that. Everything was written 40 to 1000 years later. I am sure there are cities mentioned in the bible that archeologists have discovered. Have they ever found the Ark of the Covenant, the Holy Grail, the body of Jesus?
Watson, Jesus clearly thought he was spreading the good word and doing mankind a great benefit. Don’t you think that he would have chronicled his ideas and thoughts so that his followers could spread his word in other places and in other times?
You have all faith and no fact to back up your belief and I think it’s admirable but not very pragmatic.
agent707
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Originally Posted by Farslayer
If you think a company does not have to provide a reason for not hiring, you are wrong. It is called equal opportunity, and if I don't get hired and I feel it is due to my beliefs, the company will be sued and will be required to explain themselves.
Secondly, I have never said a person who believes in god is dumb; they are wrong in my opinion. If someone wants to believe in god, that is fine with me.
.....But keep it out of my schools, out of my workplace, and fund it with your own money. You can not prove the existence of a god no matter what reasoning you apply. There is no evidence.
.....I am an atheist and I would never call someone an idiot because they have beliefs; it is their right to believe how they will.
This is kind of getting out of hand isn't it? You are getting AWFUL defensive about your "beliefs" as you are putting it.
But this is the exact kind of reason so many people have problems with atheist, it is their VOCAL "opinion" about how everone else is "wrong" because they believe in something you do not believe in.
And most people don't have ANY problem with agnostics, simply because they are unbiased and just don't HAVE an opionion, because they don't care.
You said it yourself "If someone wants to believe in god, that is fine with me." And before that you said it is "your opinion" that they are wrong. So which is it?
Lastly, the evidence you seek is VERY real. ANY Christian can vouch for that. The only catch is it can only be given to you by God himself. :thinking: Yea, I know. But that is his way. He doesn't reveal himself to ANYONE that doesn't believe in him. You have to FIRST believe in him, then he begins to slowly reveal himself to you (in his own way), and once you fully accept him as Your God, he is fully revealed to you.
How does he do it? Well, if it could be told to you, then it wouldn't be HIS way. But that's just how it is. It's His way, or no way at all.
So you can go the rest of your life screaming for Evidence of Him, but you will never be given it, as no person can. Only God can.
Anyway, this really doesn't have anything to do with the OP, so let's just leave it as YOU BELIEVE what you believe, and WE BELIEVE what we believe.
:joy:
hagfish
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Originally Posted by Jmick
There is no way I am going to biblehistory.com and christainanswers.com, those are slanted to support Christians and give you token replies to any dismissal of your faith and bible. You didn't come up with anything that I found surprising, it's exactly what I expected.
I don’t think anyone ever said that everything in the bible is made up. What I stated is that Jesus did not exist and you can not provide any evidence (from his time) to prove that. Everything was written 40 to 1000 years later. I am sure there are cities mentioned in the bible that archeologists have discovered. Have they ever found the Ark of the Covenant, the Holy Grail, the body of Jesus?
Watson, Jesus clearly thought he was spreading the good word and doing mankind a great benefit. Don’t you think that he would have chronicled his ideas and thoughts so that his followers could spread his word in other places and in other times?
You have all faith and no fact to back up your belief and I think it’s admirable but not very pragmatic.
Look, I'm at work. A quick web search pulled up mostly Christian sites. I could probably do better with a better search or more time spent on it. But I don't know how you can discount it without even reading it. This is exactly what people do with the bible itself these days.
In a nutshell, since you apparently won't read Christian links (talk about discrimination) there are world renown archeologists in these links that either purposely or not made historical and archeological finds that PROVED the bible was correct in places where NON-BELIEVERS were saying were historically incorrect. There are many of these. It doesn't matter one bit who found them and you can't possibly have objective truth if you think it does. This isn't science. This is history and archeology. I am trying to prove that the book is reliable historically. This is something these well known and respected archeologists have said themselves. If it can be proven to be historically reliable, and also shown that the manuscript evidence is stronger than any other ancient text then a much stronger argument can be made that all of what is in it is true, including Jesus existence. You people requested links from me to back up my claims. I gave them. And you have provided no argument whatsoever to refute them.
I just want to know the truth. If an atheist can prove to me that God doesn't exist, then I will stop worshipping him. Because if there is no God then I am wasting lots of time. I don't do this on a whim or just because I've got nothing better to do. You can't find out the truth by only considering one side of an argument.
There is no way I am going to biblehistory.com and christainanswers.com, those are slanted to support Christians and give you token replies to any dismissal of your faith and bible. You didn't come up with anything that I found surprising, it's exactly what I expected.
I don’t think anyone ever said that everything in the bible is made up. What I stated is that Jesus did not exist and you can not provide any evidence (from his time) to prove that. Everything was written 40 to 1000 years later. I am sure there are cities mentioned in the bible that archeologists have discovered. Have they ever found the Ark of the Covenant, the Holy Grail, the body of Jesus?
Watson, Jesus clearly thought he was spreading the good word and doing mankind a great benefit. Don’t you think that he would have chronicled his ideas and thoughts so that his followers could spread his word in other places and in other times?
You have all faith and no fact to back up your belief and I think it’s admirable but not very pragmatic.
Look, I'm at work. A quick web search pulled up mostly Christian sites. I could probably do better with a better search or more time spent on it. But I don't know how you can discount it without even reading it. This is exactly what people do with the bible itself these days.
In a nutshell, since you apparently won't read Christian links (talk about discrimination) there are world renown archeologists in these links that either purposely or not made historical and archeological finds that PROVED the bible was correct in places where NON-BELIEVERS were saying were historically incorrect. There are many of these. It doesn't matter one bit who found them and you can't possibly have objective truth if you think it does. This isn't science. This is history and archeology. I am trying to prove that the book is reliable historically. This is something these well known and respected archeologists have said themselves. If it can be proven to be historically reliable, and also shown that the manuscript evidence is stronger than any other ancient text then a much stronger argument can be made that all of what is in it is true, including Jesus existence. You people requested links from me to back up my claims. I gave them. And you have provided no argument whatsoever to refute them.
I just want to know the truth. If an atheist can prove to me that God doesn't exist, then I will stop worshipping him. Because if there is no God then I am wasting lots of time. I don't do this on a whim or just because I've got nothing better to do. You can't find out the truth by only considering one side of an argument.
jmick
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Originally Posted by Agent707
This is kind of getting out of hand isn't it? You are getting AWFUL defensive about your "beliefs" as you are putting it.
But this is the exact kind of reason so many people have problems with atheist, it is their VOCAL "opinion" about how everone else is "wrong" because they believe in something you do not believe in.
And most people don't have ANY problem with agnostics, simply because they are unbiased and just don't HAVE an opionion, because they don't care.
You said it yourself "If someone wants to believe in god, that is fine with me." And before that you said it is "your opinion" that they are wrong. So which is it?
Lastly, the evidence you seek is VERY real. ANY Christian can vouch for that. The only catch is it can only be given to you by God himself. :thinking: Yea, I know. But that is his way. He doesn't reveal himself to ANYONE that doesn't believe in him. You have to FIRST believe in him, then he begins to slowly reveal himself to you (in his own way), and once you fully accept him as Your God, he is fully revealed to you.
How does he do it? Well, if it could be told to you, then it wouldn't be HIS way. But that's just how it is. It's His way, or no way at all.
So you can go the rest of your life screaming for Evidence of Him, but you will never be given it, as no person can. Only God can.
Anyway, this really doesn't have anything to do with the OP, so let's just leave it as YOU BELIEVE what you believe, and WE BELIEVE what we believe.
:joy:
LOL, that is the most hackneyed response yet and I’ve been waiting for it to come out this whole time. Thank you Agent, you made my day with bit about the evidence is something that only god can reveal to you…I’ve got the biggest smile on my face right now—it’s great stuff!
This is kind of getting out of hand isn't it? You are getting AWFUL defensive about your "beliefs" as you are putting it.
But this is the exact kind of reason so many people have problems with atheist, it is their VOCAL "opinion" about how everone else is "wrong" because they believe in something you do not believe in.
And most people don't have ANY problem with agnostics, simply because they are unbiased and just don't HAVE an opionion, because they don't care.
You said it yourself "If someone wants to believe in god, that is fine with me." And before that you said it is "your opinion" that they are wrong. So which is it?
Lastly, the evidence you seek is VERY real. ANY Christian can vouch for that. The only catch is it can only be given to you by God himself. :thinking: Yea, I know. But that is his way. He doesn't reveal himself to ANYONE that doesn't believe in him. You have to FIRST believe in him, then he begins to slowly reveal himself to you (in his own way), and once you fully accept him as Your God, he is fully revealed to you.
How does he do it? Well, if it could be told to you, then it wouldn't be HIS way. But that's just how it is. It's His way, or no way at all.
So you can go the rest of your life screaming for Evidence of Him, but you will never be given it, as no person can. Only God can.
Anyway, this really doesn't have anything to do with the OP, so let's just leave it as YOU BELIEVE what you believe, and WE BELIEVE what we believe.
:joy:
LOL, that is the most hackneyed response yet and I’ve been waiting for it to come out this whole time. Thank you Agent, you made my day with bit about the evidence is something that only god can reveal to you…I’ve got the biggest smile on my face right now—it’s great stuff!
phixer
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Originally Posted by Farslayer
What parts? That there really is an Israel? (well, after 1967 that is). What specific facts which are not considered common knowledge has the bible proven? Where is Noah's arc, where is the arc of the covenant, where is the grail, what of significance has been shown by the bible? What great discovery has been due solely to the bible?
"No archeological discovery has ever controverted a Biblical reference. Scores of archeological findings have been made which confirm in clear outline or in exact detail historical statements in the Bible. And, by the same token, proper evaluation of Biblical descriptions has often led to amazing discoveries."
There are many prophecies regarding the Jewish nation, its founder Abraham (Gen. 12:1-3; 13:16; 15:5; 17:2, 4-6, etc.), and his posterity, Isaac and Jacob and their descendants (12:7; 13:14, 15, 17; 15:18-21; Ex. 3:8, 17), which have all been fulfilled.
The twenty-eighth chapter of Deuteronomy contains a series of predictions which are even now in the present day being fulfilled. In the writings of the prophets Isaiah (2:18-21), Jeremiah (27:3-7; 29:11-14), Ezekiel (5:12; 8), Daniel (8; 9:26, 27), Hosea (9:17).
There are also a large number of prophecies relating to those nations with which the Jews came into contact, such as Tyre (Ezek. 26:3-5, 14-21), Egypt (Ezek. 29:10, 15; 30:6, 12, 13), Ethiopia (Nahum 3:8-10), Nineveh (Nahum 1:10; 2:8-13; 3:17-19), Babylon (Isa. 13:4; Jer. 51:7; Isa. 44:27; Jer. 50:38; 51:36, 39, 57), the land of the Philistines (Jer. 47:4-7; Ezek. 25:15-17; Amos 1:6-8; Zeph. 2:4-7; Zech. 9:5-8), and of the four great monarchies (Dan. 2:39, 40; 7:17-24; 8:9).
Check these out for yourself, (it was written before the events happened) ... then ask the question " what of significance has been shown by the bible?"
What parts? That there really is an Israel? (well, after 1967 that is). What specific facts which are not considered common knowledge has the bible proven? Where is Noah's arc, where is the arc of the covenant, where is the grail, what of significance has been shown by the bible? What great discovery has been due solely to the bible?
"No archeological discovery has ever controverted a Biblical reference. Scores of archeological findings have been made which confirm in clear outline or in exact detail historical statements in the Bible. And, by the same token, proper evaluation of Biblical descriptions has often led to amazing discoveries."
There are many prophecies regarding the Jewish nation, its founder Abraham (Gen. 12:1-3; 13:16; 15:5; 17:2, 4-6, etc.), and his posterity, Isaac and Jacob and their descendants (12:7; 13:14, 15, 17; 15:18-21; Ex. 3:8, 17), which have all been fulfilled.
The twenty-eighth chapter of Deuteronomy contains a series of predictions which are even now in the present day being fulfilled. In the writings of the prophets Isaiah (2:18-21), Jeremiah (27:3-7; 29:11-14), Ezekiel (5:12; 8), Daniel (8; 9:26, 27), Hosea (9:17).
There are also a large number of prophecies relating to those nations with which the Jews came into contact, such as Tyre (Ezek. 26:3-5, 14-21), Egypt (Ezek. 29:10, 15; 30:6, 12, 13), Ethiopia (Nahum 3:8-10), Nineveh (Nahum 1:10; 2:8-13; 3:17-19), Babylon (Isa. 13:4; Jer. 51:7; Isa. 44:27; Jer. 50:38; 51:36, 39, 57), the land of the Philistines (Jer. 47:4-7; Ezek. 25:15-17; Amos 1:6-8; Zeph. 2:4-7; Zech. 9:5-8), and of the four great monarchies (Dan. 2:39, 40; 7:17-24; 8:9).
Check these out for yourself, (it was written before the events happened) ... then ask the question " what of significance has been shown by the bible?"
watson3
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Originally Posted by Phixer
"No archeological discovery has ever controverted a Biblical reference. Scores of archeological findings have been made which confirm in clear outline or in exact detail historical statements in the Bible. And, by the same token, proper evaluation of Biblical descriptions has often led to amazing discoveries."
There is even a show on the History Channel where they archaeologist uses a bible as his reference and hunts down the actual places..
"No archeological discovery has ever controverted a Biblical reference. Scores of archeological findings have been made which confirm in clear outline or in exact detail historical statements in the Bible. And, by the same token, proper evaluation of Biblical descriptions has often led to amazing discoveries."
There is even a show on the History Channel where they archaeologist uses a bible as his reference and hunts down the actual places..
agent707
Member
Originally Posted by Jmick
LOL, that is the most hackneyed response yet and I’ve been waiting for it to come out this whole time. Thank you Agent, you made my day with bit about the evidence is something that only god can reveal to you…I’ve got the biggest smile on my face right now—it’s great stuff!
It's pretty much the truth though. Sure, anyone can prove Jesus existed... no one would deny that... but proving he was God? Can't be done.
I like to use the philosophy of comparing God to Pluto (the planet).
I bet it would be safe to say that not a Single person here can say they have ever physically "seen" Pluto, nor have they been there. In fact, no one here could physically "prove" it exists... yet we all KNOW it does. How? We've read it in books. I wouldn't call the pictures they have shown "proof". Anyone can make a picture.
Now if that is all you need to "know" something exist... then you have the same amount of proof about the existance of God.
"""But Scientists have Proven Pluto Exist... and have "seen" it with high powered telescopes!!!"""
Maybe, but have YOU? No.
There have been plenty of people who have seen God, with their own eyes.. and written about it... etc.
So, what's different about Pluto and God? Nothing. None of you have EVER seen any physical evidence of its existance... only read about it.
So stop crying about needing physical evidence about God to believe. Please? ***) If you don't want to believe. Fine.
Hmmm.. let's see. Oh yea, the original Post.
And the question was would I hire an Atheist who was "vocal" about it... like putting videos on the Net.
If the question were just in general, "Would I hire an Atheist?" I might say yes. It would just depend on how "vocal" they were about it.
LOL, that is the most hackneyed response yet and I’ve been waiting for it to come out this whole time. Thank you Agent, you made my day with bit about the evidence is something that only god can reveal to you…I’ve got the biggest smile on my face right now—it’s great stuff!
It's pretty much the truth though. Sure, anyone can prove Jesus existed... no one would deny that... but proving he was God? Can't be done.
I like to use the philosophy of comparing God to Pluto (the planet).
I bet it would be safe to say that not a Single person here can say they have ever physically "seen" Pluto, nor have they been there. In fact, no one here could physically "prove" it exists... yet we all KNOW it does. How? We've read it in books. I wouldn't call the pictures they have shown "proof". Anyone can make a picture.
Now if that is all you need to "know" something exist... then you have the same amount of proof about the existance of God.
"""But Scientists have Proven Pluto Exist... and have "seen" it with high powered telescopes!!!"""
Maybe, but have YOU? No.
There have been plenty of people who have seen God, with their own eyes.. and written about it... etc.
So, what's different about Pluto and God? Nothing. None of you have EVER seen any physical evidence of its existance... only read about it.
So stop crying about needing physical evidence about God to believe. Please? ***) If you don't want to believe. Fine.
Hmmm.. let's see. Oh yea, the original Post.
And the question was would I hire an Atheist who was "vocal" about it... like putting videos on the Net.
If the question were just in general, "Would I hire an Atheist?" I might say yes. It would just depend on how "vocal" they were about it.
watson3
Active Member
Originally Posted by Agent707
It's pretty much the truth though. Sure, anyone can prove Jesus existed... no one would deny that... but proving he was God? Can't be done.
Not demeaning, but what religion would you be referring to? I do not know of anyone trying to prove that Jesus was God
It's pretty much the truth though. Sure, anyone can prove Jesus existed... no one would deny that... but proving he was God? Can't be done.
Not demeaning, but what religion would you be referring to? I do not know of anyone trying to prove that Jesus was God
1journeyman
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Sorry all, been out of town and the internet is sporadic at best in my hotel atr the moment. So, didn't bail out on the discussion, but I'm about 3 pages behind.
Originally Posted by Bang Guy
You mean something like it being OK to judge Athiests.
To clarify what Bang said, I want to make sure I didn't come across as "judging" anyone. I can disagree with a viewpoint without "judging" the person who holds the viewpoint.
Originally Posted by Bang Guy
You mean something like it being OK to judge Athiests.
To clarify what Bang said, I want to make sure I didn't come across as "judging" anyone. I can disagree with a viewpoint without "judging" the person who holds the viewpoint.
agent707
Member
Originally Posted by watson3
Not demeaning, but what religion would you be referring to? I do not know of anyone trying to prove that Jesus was God
I'm not referring to religion, just in general about proving this, or proving that... It was just in response to demands about "proving" stuff. hehe
Not demeaning, but what religion would you be referring to? I do not know of anyone trying to prove that Jesus was God
I'm not referring to religion, just in general about proving this, or proving that... It was just in response to demands about "proving" stuff. hehe
reefreak29
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theres proof that god exists all around us it couldnt be any more blunt,
scientifically speaking the probability of just an eye on a human bieng so complex, for it to just evolve is 1 in 1to the millionth and thats just an eye
jmick u say your agnostic but u lean way to the fact that god does not exist so how can u call yourself an agnostic
scientifically speaking the probability of just an eye on a human bieng so complex, for it to just evolve is 1 in 1to the millionth and thats just an eye
jmick u say your agnostic but u lean way to the fact that god does not exist so how can u call yourself an agnostic
agent707
Member
Originally Posted by reefreak29
theres proof that god exists all around us it couldnt be any more blunt,
scientifically speaking the probability of just an eye on a human bieng so complex, for it to just evolve is 1 in 1to the millionth and thats just an eye
jmick u say your agnostic but u lean way to the fact that god does not exist so how can u call yourself an agnostic
That's not the kind of proof they are talking about... they are carnel minded and don't see things the same way. No use in trying to prove anything. It is futile.
You see, what you must do, is provide links to articles, or books where someone has written knowedgeable articles and whatnot... This is considered "proof" of something. When great minded scientists gather and lock themselves in a building and do research... and make discoveries, they document EVERYTING in books and such... then We in turn, read about their Great discoveries! This is what is known as "proof". None of us have ever seen any of their great discoveries first hand... maybe a video, or something... but we mostly have to rely on what they recorded in their books as evidence.
Yes, I do believe the carbon atom Does exist... but I have never seen one. And yes I believe 18% of the human body is made up of carbon atoms... but I haven't counted them. So what proof did I get? I read about it in books.
So, unless you can produce a link to where someone has written about God, or produce a Book where someone has written about Him, well... forget about proving it!
Oh, and just like science... who "claim" they saw what they saw, so do the people who wrote about God.
And jmick is an Atheist. But is just not willing to admit it. A true agnostic wouldn't have anything to do with this dicussion. They simply wouldn't care one way or the other and would have absolutly no opinion. Yes jmick, that's right.
Oh, I almost forgot. Someone asked for "proof" of Noah's Ark? "Scientist" have "proven" that the world was once covered by water... about 8 thousand years ago. But, they could be wrong... however, they ARE scientists... so how could they be?
theres proof that god exists all around us it couldnt be any more blunt,
scientifically speaking the probability of just an eye on a human bieng so complex, for it to just evolve is 1 in 1to the millionth and thats just an eye
jmick u say your agnostic but u lean way to the fact that god does not exist so how can u call yourself an agnostic
That's not the kind of proof they are talking about... they are carnel minded and don't see things the same way. No use in trying to prove anything. It is futile.
You see, what you must do, is provide links to articles, or books where someone has written knowedgeable articles and whatnot... This is considered "proof" of something. When great minded scientists gather and lock themselves in a building and do research... and make discoveries, they document EVERYTING in books and such... then We in turn, read about their Great discoveries! This is what is known as "proof". None of us have ever seen any of their great discoveries first hand... maybe a video, or something... but we mostly have to rely on what they recorded in their books as evidence.
Yes, I do believe the carbon atom Does exist... but I have never seen one. And yes I believe 18% of the human body is made up of carbon atoms... but I haven't counted them. So what proof did I get? I read about it in books.
So, unless you can produce a link to where someone has written about God, or produce a Book where someone has written about Him, well... forget about proving it!
Oh, and just like science... who "claim" they saw what they saw, so do the people who wrote about God.
And jmick is an Atheist. But is just not willing to admit it. A true agnostic wouldn't have anything to do with this dicussion. They simply wouldn't care one way or the other and would have absolutly no opinion. Yes jmick, that's right.
Oh, I almost forgot. Someone asked for "proof" of Noah's Ark? "Scientist" have "proven" that the world was once covered by water... about 8 thousand years ago. But, they could be wrong... however, they ARE scientists... so how could they be?
grumpygils
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A great book is "Tornado in a junkyard". I can not remember who wrote it but it is packed with scientific fact. I like that kind of stuff. I need to prove things to satisfy my scientific back ground. The bottom line is that the chances that we ended up here as man with out divine intervention and design, is about the same chance of a tornado hitting a junk yard and a 747 pops out the other side. No matter how many times it hits, no airplane is coming out.
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