Yes, YET ANOTHER POLITICAL THREAD! lol

[rylan1]

Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/2714972
The imeadiate impact is job creation. Even without the additional production oil is pulling back. Most of those who have a clue what they are talking about expect oil will be in the 80's. WHat this additional production will do is get it there a little bit sooner and help keep it there. I watch a whole ot of stock morket and investment related programs and it is pretty easy to seperate out the political hacks from those who really understand the markets and most of those who know what they are talking about tend to agree when additional leases are opened there will be a small but immediate drop in prices. Just like they go up when Iran makes a threat or like today when they went up due to a pipeline fire in a European feed. Phsycology does play a role in this, just not a huge one. The main thing is it affects the speculators ability to push the prices.
A small decrease of say 10-20 cents is a break, however; it is still a significant strain for most americans. One thing that needs to be reviewed and changed is the impact speculators have on the market.

 

[1journeyman]

Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2715137
So your argument is that the "libs" are against all types of energy?
No.
My argument is, up until now, the Dems have been against utilizing alternative sources of energy while hamstringing our Oil Companies from properly using our own National resources.

 

[1journeyman]

Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2715143
A small decrease of say 10-20 cents is a break, however; it is still a significant strain for most americans. One thing that needs to be reviewed and changed is the impact speculators have on the market.
For those of you keeping score at home...
*Nationalize health care
*Nationalize Energy
*Nationalize m ortgage and banking
*Nationalize free trading of commodities...
How long does this list have to get Rylan? Should we "regulate" commodity trading on corn since it's price has risen?

 

[darthtang aw]

Rylan here is the fundamental difference. We and McCain want to do everything, from drilling for oil to nuclear, to wind, to solar.
You and obama only want to do a couple of those things.
So based off of that, who's energy policy has a greater chance for success? The one with a lot of options or the one with only a few?

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2713021
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akjXqfvLu28
It sounds to me like he is saying that airing up tires will save more oil than what drilling would produce? I may be wrong but that is what I hear...
When he says
...we could save all the oil they're talking about getting off drilling, if everybody was just inflating their tires, and getting regular tune-ups. You could actually save just as much. -Obama
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzZNP4tTfV0
I'm just going off what I've heard obama say.

Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2715135
No logical person thinks that this is the extent of his energy policy... Its simply a statement made on how we can easily conserve energy with just proper care of our cars... Its McCain's campaign that wants you to equate this with drilling.
What I'm hearing is that airing up tires will be more effective than drilling for oil. Maybe the "great orator" is being misunderstood, but that sure sounds like what he is saying....

 

[ironeagle2006]

Lets see here Obama is AGAINST Nuclear Energy since the high level waste has to be stored in NV were his Buddy re3id is still trying to stop Yucca Mountain from being opened. Also he is against drilling for oil since it would take away from ADM one of his BIGGEST donors. I dfor one say DRILL TIL OIL is coming out of our ears. Also build more refineries that can help transform that oil to useful products. Also stop forcing states to use differant blends of gas come up with a national standard and USE THAT EVEN IN CA. For me the biggest issus in this election is not race or fear of him being shot is the fact that Obama has changed positions more often than I have to change my daughters diaper in a day.

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2715143
A small decrease of say 10-20 cents is a break, however; it is still a significant strain for most americans. One thing that needs to be reviewed and changed is the impact speculators have on the market.
There isn't a whole lot that can be done about speculators. They can change all the laws they want and those doing the speculation will just pull up stakes and move the operation overseas and do the same thing.

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2715325
What I'm hearing is that airing up tires will be more effective than drilling for oil. Maybe the "great orator" is being misunderstood, but that sure sounds like what he is saying....
Even if you assumed every car in America has it's tires underinflated a couple pounds it wouldn't save the same amount of oil that could be produced from ANWAR and the coasts. What really cracks me up is these sheep who think this was some kind of revolutionary information that nobody knew about. I'm cheap, I bought the wife a digital tire gauge a few years ago and taught her how to use it. I don't care ifg gas is 2 or 4 bucks a gallon, I am not wasting any.

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/2715427
There isn't a whole lot that can be done about speculators. They can change all the laws they want and those doing the speculation will just pull up stakes and move the operation overseas and do the same thing.
Speculators "driving up price" is a pretty silly concept if you ask me... If anything they help stabilize the price.

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2716010
Speculators "driving up price" is a pretty silly concept if you ask me... If anything they help stabilize the price.

Oh they are pushing the prices up. You even have union pension funds investing in oil futures now. More people investing pushes the prices higher. From 2004 until now the number of people trading futures has exploded

 

[texasmetal]

I just don't want a leader that's going to suffer from Dementia/Alzheimers, whatever you want to call it. Like that one old dude whose left jaw sags further than his right jaw (stroke maybe?)... and tends to start rambling during media meetings that throw questions out there that aren't planned ahead of time (Uhmm... stroke/alzheimers maybe?)... so he gets lost... and makes things out to be something they aren't.... Yeah... that's the dude I want making my decisions for my future.... Pshhh!
I know this won't be popular, but oh well, I never fit into that crowd. In a world where medical mari-wanna (don't know if that word is censored or not so I'll just wing it) IS LEGAL in some states, this guy says that he is all about the FEDERAL government prosecuting people who are protected under STATE government law that the FEDERAL government doesn't recognize. I liked this guy until he said that. You want to talk about throwing out the constitution? McCain is no different. He doesn't recognize constitutional right anymore than he recognizes the definition of freedom. I'm done with old philosophy, personally. The world is not the same as it used to be. It's time for a NEW philosophy. It's time for a NEW government.
To quote a psycho Mel Gibson... "When the world gives me lemons, I sqeeze them, and make Lemonaid."
Neither of the choices we have as Americans this time around are ideal. Just like every other year there has been an election since I've been old enough to vote, the choices suck. I'm going for the intelligent, modern, sound mind. And he probably will be assasinated. If JFK's wonderful heart and mind could be silenced, so can this candidates. And it will be a great loss to the world. The guy is highly intelligent and a great speaker as well as thinker, and he won't let his administration run the show. For this I feel he is a better choice than the......... older guy... the one who has.... senior moments.

 

[1journeyman]

Originally Posted by TexasMetal
http:///forum/post/2716031
I just don't want a leader that's going to suffer from Dementia/Alzheimers, whatever you want to call it. Like that one old dude whose left jaw sags further than his right jaw (stroke maybe?)... and tends to start rambling during media meetings that throw questions out there that aren't planned ahead of time (Uhmm... stroke/alzheimers maybe?)... so he gets lost... and makes things out to be something they aren't.... Yeah... that's the dude I want making my decisions for my future.... Pshhh!
I know this won't be popular, but oh well, I never fit into that crowd. In a world where medical mari-wanna (don't know if that word is censored or not so I'll just wing it) IS LEGAL in some states, this guy says that he is all about the FEDERAL government prosecuting people who are protected under STATE government law that the FEDERAL government doesn't recognize. I liked this guy until he said that. You want to talk about throwing out the constitution? McCain is no different. He doesn't recognize constitutional right anymore than he recognizes the definition of freedom. I'm done with old philosophy, personally. The world is not the same as it used to be. It's time for a NEW philosophy. It's time for a NEW government.
To quote a psycho Mel Gibson... "When the world gives me lemons, I sqeeze them, and make Lemonaid."
Neither of the choices we have as Americans this time around are ideal. Just like every other year there has been an election since I've been old enough to vote, the choices suck. I'm going for the intelligent, modern, sound mind. And he probably will be assasinated. If JFK's wonderful heart and mind could be silenced, so can this candidates. And it will be a great loss to the world. The guy is highly intelligent and a great speaker as well as thinker, and he won't let his administration run the show. For this I feel he is a better choice than the......... older guy... the one who has.... senior moments.
So the marijuaana issue is more important to you than the Socialization of the Medical, Energy and m ortgage industries?

 

[oscardeuce]

So, a "modern mind"=socialist/Marxist?
I've called McCain to task on many issues, but in general he is closer to the Constitution than Olinski's buddy Sen Obama.

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by TexasMetal
http:///forum/post/2716031
I just don't want a leader that's going to suffer from Dementia/Alzheimers, whatever you want to call it. Like that one old dude whose left jaw sags further than his right jaw (stroke maybe?)... and tends to start rambling during media meetings that throw questions out there that aren't planned ahead of time (Uhmm... stroke/alzheimers maybe?)... so he gets lost... and makes things out to be something they aren't.... Yeah... that's the dude I want making my decisions for my future.... Pshhh!
I know this won't be popular, but oh well, I never fit into that crowd. In a world where medical mari-wanna (don't know if that word is censored or not so I'll just wing it) IS LEGAL in some states, this guy says that he is all about the FEDERAL government prosecuting people who are protected under STATE government law that the FEDERAL government doesn't recognize. I liked this guy until he said that. You want to talk about throwing out the constitution? McCain is no different. He doesn't recognize constitutional right anymore than he recognizes the definition of freedom. I'm done with old philosophy, personally. The world is not the same as it used to be. It's time for a NEW philosophy. It's time for a NEW government.
Neither of the choices we have as Americans this time around are ideal. Just like every other year there has been an election since I've been old enough to vote, the choices suck. I'm going for the intelligent, modern, sound mind. .

Maybe you should outta watch McCain in one of the hour long interviews before making lame statements. Ever try to field a couple questions from a single reporter at a press conference? I have on a much smaller scale and you tend to start formulating your answer for the first question while listening to the second. It's not hard to get knocked off track, I am not in the least little bit worried about a "senior moment" fhan I would be in Obama breaking into a rendition of Mammy.
As far as electing a fresh new leader with a new philosophy but not much of a political record we have seen some examples of that before, Hitler, Castro, Stalin, Mussilini. Be ccareful what you ask for. Without a demonstrated record of acheivement you never know what you are going to get.
As far as pot goes I would legalize it BUT state laws and constitutions are subservient to their federal counterparts so it is proper for the feds to step in when states violate federal laws.

 

[texasmetal]

Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2716123
So the marijuaana issue is more important to you than the Socialization of the Medical, Energy and m ortgage industries?
No, just the show of character he displayed when confronted with the subject. Sending people to jail for something that's considered legal in their state.
I'm not going argue with you folks. These are just my personal observations and like it or not, I'm entitled.

 

[triga22]

Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2714326
inflating tires saves 3-4 miles a gallon... and its immediate. It may be silly, but it is the easist and least expensive way to increase gas mileage. Out of that 800 gallons.. first how much is going to be sold? And how much are they able to pump out a day... I honestly don't think those sources are enough...
The largest world oil fields is in Saudi Arabia and has about 80B barrels... So perhaps your #'s are only about 800 million.. The top three fields are also in decline... which means prices will increase... and the little bit we can pump out will not cover the decline
It does not save 3-4 mpg, that is a bunch of crap. Mabye if your riding rims but if your at like 25psi and not 32 you may may save 1 mile a gallon.

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/2716018
Oh they are pushing the prices up. You even have union pension funds investing in oil futures now. More people investing pushes the prices higher. From 2004 until now the number of people trading futures has exploded
They are basically betting on the price of the item, they say I think a barrel of oil will be 140 dollars in two weeks but I'll pay x amount of dollars for the option to buy at whatever the price is today. Say $120 a barrel. So in two weeks if the barrel of oil his their price at 140 they have the ability to buy at $120 a barrel then sell at 140. I fail to see how that would drive up prices.

 

[darthtang aw]

Originally Posted by TexasMetal
http:///forum/post/2716231
Sending people to jail for something that's considered legal in their state.

The federal government has deemed it illegal...thus the state can NOT over rule that law. What is your problem? So you want someone in office that won't enforce law? You want someone willing to ignore the law? Of course you do, you smoke pot.

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2716303
They are basically betting on the price of the item, they say I think a barrel of oil will be 140 dollars in two weeks but I'll pay x amount of dollars for the option to buy at whatever the price is today. Say $120 a barrel. So in two weeks if the barrel of oil his their price at 140 they have the ability to buy at $120 a barrel then sell at 140. I fail to see how that would drive up prices.

Supply and demand. The speculators do not need or want the oil. WHen they buy the futures contracts they create a artificial increase in demand which puts upward pressure on the price. They can't pull that off unless prices are already increasing but once they jump in it just pushes the price even higher.
Look at what happens when Iran starts saber rattling or there is a threat of a strike by oil workers somewhere. It pushes the price higher even though the supply is not affected. Just the possibility of a decrease in supply can drive the price higher. Same thing happens when the demand goes up. More people trying to buy means the seller can ask a higher price.

 

[texasmetal]

Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/2716446
The federal government has deemed it illegal...thus the state can NOT over rule that law. What is your problem? So you want someone in office that won't enforce law? You want someone willing to ignore the law? Of course you do, you smoke pot.
No. I want someone who recognizes individual states and the decisions their majorities make. I want someone who is going to listen to what those people are saying. I want someone who is going to realize there are better things to blow $30 billion dollars on annually than persecuting and prosecuting people who thought they were within their rights, both patient and doctor.
If it were an issue about me wanting to smoke pot, I'd move to Amsterdam. There definitely are much more important issues, no doubt. It's like a double edged sword though. Mom says you can do it, you do it, then Dad busts your butt for it. Not right.