Yes, YET ANOTHER POLITICAL THREAD! lol

[1journeyman]

Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2714177
I am not saying oil is bad... We will continue to use and need it, however we have to reduce or consumption of it. What are the negatives? Its obvious you only agree with what you want to hear and what makes you comfortable... Drilling is easy and short-term.... What happened to Americans being leaders in science and innovation?
Why can't we drill short-term and work at a long term solution?
Rylan, let's not forget it's the Libs in your party that have thwarted alternative forms of energy.

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2714177
Drilling is easy and short-term.... What happened to Americans being leaders in science and innovation?

You gotta make up your mind, is drilling not going to do anything because the oil wont reach the market for 18 years or is it an easy short term solution

Sorry, couldn't resist

We need the oil in the short term to keep prices down. As China and India keep developing their demand is going to keep going up.

 

[rylan1]

Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2714198
You aren't going to see me arguing against building more refineries...
Brazil has enough oil that they once their fields are up to production they'll be MAJOR players if they don't

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it up b/c they are corrupt.
You are talking over 800 billion barrels of oil between Anwar, the shelfs and the green river basin.
You have to remember oil is traded on the commodity market, so not only does actual oil fluxuate based on the current supply (if you hear the news they'll say oil went up and down based off the reserves report) but also on the (and this is key) perception of a change in supply. If you notice when their is a hurricane in the gulf that looks like it might go in near New Orleans or Houston oil prices go with without it actually have happened yet...
Perceptions are not long term, once the perception changes so does the behavior of the traders. However an actual change in means of production will change prices long term.
Is 800b enough ... and if we were to start today there would be an urgent need for refinieries. And oil would say...we need to build and for research/discovery.... there goes the price back up

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2714205
Why can't we drill short-term and work at a long term solution?
Rylan, let's not forget it's the Libs in your party that have thwarted alternative forms of energy.

Even Parless Healton gets how all of the above works when it comes to energy production.

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2714215
Is 800b enough ... and if we were to start today there would be an urgent need for refinieries. And oil would say...we need to build and for research/discovery.... there goes the price back up
It is certainly more than we are going to save by inflating tires and draining our "stragic reserves"...
All that is included in the price you see now... We are never going to see $10 a barrel gas. The company I work for is basing the costs on oil being around $80 dollars a barrel long term.
Right now we consume about 20 million barrels a day. I remember reading it, but can't find the stat right now with the projected barrels per day they think in they are going to pull out in CO and anwar and the dakotas but I can't even remember the ballpark figure... (that number is a ballpark estimate anyway)
But 800 B is alot of oil enough for us to use for the next 100 years at current usage...

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2714215
Is 800b enough ... and if we were to start today there would be an urgent need for refinieries. And oil would say...we need to build and for research/discovery.... there goes the price back up
If we did this, you are talking about a MAJOR bump in our economy like notice it in the national numbers type stuff. Just in building infastructure and drilling, not counting whatever our domestic producers sell. Because there is alot of stuff that goes into getting oil, pipelines, refineries, drill rigs. You are talking a major economic boom imo.
And the great thing about the oil industry you can go in as a roughneck with no education and make 50-70 grand out of the shoot. And experienced people like "the company man" make twice that with no degree or anything. These are the people you libs claim to "care about"...

 

[stdreb27]

http://www.nozzlerage.com/
I'm not saying I condone the idea or don't condone the ideas but this was funny.

 

[rylan1]

Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2714205
Why can't we drill short-term and work at a long term solution?
Rylan, let's not forget it's the Libs in your party that have thwarted alternative forms of energy.
I really don't care about "libs" or repbulicans, or assigning blame... We are at the point (past it really) where we need to working on the long term solution... I am sure people of your party can at minimum share the blame, even though I would assume most if not all oil execs are republican.

 

[rylan1]

Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2714250
If we did this, you are talking about a MAJOR bump in our economy like notice it in the national numbers type stuff. Just in building infastructure and drilling, not counting whatever our domestic producers sell. Because there is alot of stuff that goes into getting oil, pipelines, refineries, drill rigs. You are talking a major economic boom imo.
And the great thing about the oil industry you can go in as a roughneck with no education and make 50-70 grand out of the shoot. And experienced people like "the company man" make twice that with no degree or anything. These are the people you libs claim to "care about"...
Investing in renewable energy would provide a bigger boom, and would be felt nationwide... whereas the oil industry is more localized.

 

[rylan1]

Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2714244
It is certainly more than we are going to save by inflating tires and draining our "stragic reserves"...
All that is included in the price you see now... We are never going to see $10 a barrel gas. The company I work for is basing the costs on oil being around $80 dollars a barrel long term.
Right now we consume about 20 million barrels a day. I remember reading it, but can't find the stat right now with the projected barrels per day they think in they are going to pull out in CO and anwar and the dakotas but I can't even remember the ballpark figure... (that number is a ballpark estimate anyway)
But 800 B is alot of oil enough for us to use for the next 100 years at current usage...
inflating tires saves 3-4 miles a gallon... and its immediate. It may be silly, but it is the easist and least expensive way to increase gas mileage. Out of that 800 gallons.. first how much is going to be sold? And how much are they able to pump out a day... I honestly don't think those sources are enough...
The largest world oil fields is in Saudi Arabia and has about 80B barrels... So perhaps your #'s are only about 800 million.. The top three fields are also in decline... which means prices will increase... and the little bit we can pump out will not cover the decline

 

[rylan1]

Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/2714213
You gotta make up your mind, is drilling not going to do anything because the oil wont reach the market for 18 years or is it an easy short term solution

Sorry, couldn't resist

We need the oil in the short term to keep prices down. As China and India keep developing their demand is going to keep going up.
I am not opposed to drilling, but I know it will not have the impact many of think it will.... Seems we only look to medicate our issues instead of looking for a cure... This is the menality that you all have.

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2714312
Investing in renewable energy would provide a bigger boom, and would be felt nationwide... whereas the oil industry is more localized.
If this was the case, why are we federally subsidizing this? The simple fact is, if the government wasn't paying there would be no market for ethanol and some of the other more inefficient products being proposed.
Oil requires no subsidies... (imo a tax break is not a subsidy)

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2714326
inflating tires saves 3-4 miles a gallon... and its immediate. It may be silly, but it is the easist and least expensive way to increase gas mileage. Out of that 800 gallons.. first how much is going to be sold? And how much are they able to pump out a day... I honestly don't think those sources are enough...
The largest world oil fields is in Saudi Arabia and has about 80B barrels... So perhaps your #'s are only about 800 million.. The top three fields are also in decline... which means prices will increase... and the little bit we can pump out will not cover the decline
The estimates might be wrong. But they say Billion.
http://www.blm.gov/wo/st/en/info/new...7_22_2008.html
Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2714333
I am not opposed to drilling, but I know it will not have the impact many of think it will.... Seems we only look to medicate our issues instead of looking for a cure... This is the menality that you all have.

Cure for oil, so now it is a disease? Why is oil bad to begin with?

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2714326
inflating tires saves 3-4 miles a gallon... and its immediate. It may be silly, but it is the easist and least expensive way to increase gas mileage. Out of that 800 gallons.. first how much is going to be sold? And how much are they able to pump out a day... I honestly don't think those sources are enough...
The largest world oil fields is in Saudi Arabia and has about 80B barrels... So perhaps your #'s are only about 800 million.. The top three fields are also in decline... which means prices will increase... and the little bit we can pump out will not cover the decline
I dunno but I'm not driving around on flat tires. Obama's energy plan (a little joke) has to assume a couple of things, one people are driving around on under inflated tires, or you should overinflate your tires. I do agree people there are people who don't check the inflation of their tires or anything, but every time you get an oil change they check your tires. And people who actually do know about cars check their tires.
For his numbers to work you'd have to assume that everyone drives around on underinflated tires. Not true, or everyone should overinflate their tires not too smart...

 

[rylan1]

Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2714358
I dunno but I'm not driving around on flat tires. Obama's energy plan (a little joke) has to assume a couple of things, one people are driving around on under inflated tires, or you should overinflate your tires. I do agree people there are people who don't check the inflation of their tires or anything, but every time you get an oil change they check your tires. And people who actually do know about cars check their tires.
For his numbers to work you'd have to assume that everyone drives around on underinflated tires. Not true, or everyone should overinflate their tires not too smart...
people don't even change oil properly... but I have to check my tires often and many times they are 5lbs are so under ... its unoticeable just looking at it.

 

[1journeyman]

Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2714308
I really don't care about "libs" or repbulicans, or assigning blame... We are at the point (past it really) where we need to working on the long term solution... I am sure people of your party can at minimum share the blame, even though I would assume most if not all oil execs are republican.
Oil Execs aren't the problem Rylan. They want to build more refineries and to drill in more places...
The problem goes back to the Libs increasing regulation and taxes to the point where it was no longer practical or profitable to drill and build refineries. The same goes for alternative sources for electricity such as nuclear and hydro.

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2714363
people don't even change oil properly... but I have to check my tires often and many times they are 5lbs are so under ... its unoticeable just looking at it.
I'm not going to argue that people lag in their auto maintenance but this silly notion that airing up my tires will take the place of domestic drilling. Well that just leaves me speechless with a dumbfounded look on my face.

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2714333
I am not opposed to drilling, but I know it will not have the impact many of think it will.... Seems we only look to medicate our issues instead of looking for a cure... This is the menality that you all have.

The imeadiate impact is job creation. Even without the additional production oil is pulling back. Most of those who have a clue what they are talking about expect oil will be in the 80's. WHat this additional production will do is get it there a little bit sooner and help keep it there. I watch a whole ot of stock morket and investment related programs and it is pretty easy to seperate out the political hacks from those who really understand the markets and most of those who know what they are talking about tend to agree when additional leases are opened there will be a small but immediate drop in prices. Just like they go up when Iran makes a threat or like today when they went up due to a pipeline fire in a European feed. Phsycology does play a role in this, just not a huge one. The main thing is it affects the speculators ability to push the prices.

 

[rylan1]

Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2714548
I'm not going to argue that people lag in their auto maintenance but this silly notion that airing up my tires will take the place of domestic drilling. Well that just leaves me speechless with a dumbfounded look on my face.
No logical person thinks that this is the extent of his energy policy... Its simply a statement made on how we can easily conserve energy with just proper care of our cars... Its McCain's campaign that wants you to equate this with drilling.

 

[rylan1]

Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2714496
Oil Execs aren't the problem Rylan. They want to build more refineries and to drill in more places...
The problem goes back to the Libs increasing regulation and taxes to the point where it was no longer practical or profitable to drill and build refineries. The same goes for alternative sources for electricity such as nuclear and hydro.
So your argument is that the "libs" are against all types of energy?