Yet another reason to ban assault weapons

bionicarm

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Originally Posted by Veni Vidi Vici
http:///forum/post/2989853
His luck apparently on the wane, an alleged serial burglar was committing his latest heist when two armed citizens fired shotguns. Police say the fleeing suspect broke into a nearby residence where 11-year-old Nicole Mendolia was home alone. A concerned neighbor knew the suspect was in the area and called Nicole’s father, Anthony Mendolia, who hurried home. Nicole hid under the covers for about 20 minutes until her father arrived armed with a 9mm pistol and fired two shots at the suspect, who fled the scene. The suspect was turned over to police after treatment for a gunshot wound. Nicole wanted him to know, “ ... You really got what you deserved today. You really deserved to be shot ... Seriously, you need to go to jail. You got problems.” (10 News, Tampa Bay, FL, 08/02/08)
Though he held the door shut against a 20-year-old intruder for as long as he could, police say an 84-year-old homeowner then grew tired. In desperation, he yelled for his wife to retrieve his .45-caliber handgun. He fired one shot at the intruder, who will be arrested pending his release from the hospital. “You could tell [the homeowner] was devastated,” Hancock County, Miss., Sheriff’s Investigator Andre Fizer said of the 911 tape, “You could tell he was scared.” (The Sun Herald, Biloxi, MS, 07/29/08)
According to police, a not-so-stealthy intruder awakened a couple by loudly whistling in their basement. The homeowner grabbed his shotgun to investigate—and that’s when the situation got even more bizarre. The intruder was covered in barbecue sauce and wearing the homeowner’s hat and his wife’s jacket. The homeowner escorted the sticky intruder upstairs at gunpoint. The disturbed man told police he’d obtained the sauce from the couple’s refrigerator in order to don “an urban disguise, if you will,” because he believed the FBI was after him. (The Post-Crescent, Appleton, WI, 08/03/08)
A group of doctors
holding a lunch meeting at an upscale restaurant first thought a man was pulling a joke on them, but they realized the seriousness of the situation when the man forcefully tugged a doctor’s tie and demanded his wallet. Police say the robber took the doctor’s money and left, but soon returned. At that point, one of the doctors had enough. “Before we knew it, [the doctor] pulls his gun out and told the guy, ‘Get away, get out of this restaurant now,’” recalls Dr. Charles Weatherby. “The guy looked back and [the doctor] said, ‘If you look back again, I’m going to shoot you.’” The doctor escorted the robber outside at gunpoint, where he was arrested.
(KIRO 7 News, Seattle, WA, 07/22/08)
Police say a family was unloading groceries when three armed men approached and demanded money. When the father said he had nothing to give them, one assailant said, “Get the baby!” Fearing for his child, the father drew a handgun and opened fire on the men, who briefly returned fire before running away. One of the robbers crawled away as if shot until he was able to join his accomplices. They sped away in a black SUV and were being sought by police. No members of the family, including the baby, were injured. (KNXV-TV, Phoenix, AZ, 07/07/08)
Martin Garrison was asleep on his brother’s couch when, according to police, five people intent on burglary pulled up outside. Two armed suspects invaded the home while their accomplices waited in the car. “I thought it was all a bad dream,” Roger Garrison said. “I didn’t know what their intentions were. It was scary.” When one of the burglars pointed a weapon at Martin, he drew a .25-caliber handgun from under the couch and shot one of the burglars three times. The wounded burglar died on the scene. Police were led to the dead man’s accomplices when they answered incoming calls to his cell phone. “My brother is still real upset about it,” Roger explained. “Robberies are something you hear about, but you never want to go through one.” (Star-Banner, Ocala, FL, 07/23/08
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Home protection is completely different from confronting someone in a public place. If someone is invading your home, you have the upper hand in the situation.
Your little story about the doctor is deceiving. Most restaurants around the country do not allow concealed weapons in their establishments. If they sell liquor of any kind, it's defintely prohibited. I'm willing to bet the 'robber' wasn't the only one arrested in this scenario.
The grocery story? The guy was an idiot for risking his wallet over his families safety. Even if he had no money, hand him the empty wallet and say "See?" I doubt very seriously the assailant would still want to take a baby hostage. So instead he pulls a weapon and starts a fire fight. Amazing no one in his family wasn't shot or killed.
So which NRA propaganda site you pull these little tidbits from?
 

stdreb27

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Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2990102
Home protection is completely different from confronting someone in a public place. If someone is invading your home, you have the upper hand in the situation.
Your little story about the doctor is deceiving. Most restaurants around the country do not allow concealed weapons in their establishments. If they sell liquor of any kind, it's defintely prohibited. I'm willing to bet the 'robber' wasn't the only one arrested in this scenario.
The grocery story? The guy was an idiot for risking his wallet over his families safety. Even if he had no money, hand him the empty wallet and say "See?" I doubt very seriously the assailant would still want to take a baby hostage. So instead he pulls a weapon and starts a fire fight. Amazing no one in his family wasn't shot or killed.
So which NRA propaganda site you pull these little tidbits from?

Just another point of factual correction, for those reading. In Texas (where bionic claims to live) you can actually go into any restarant and carry a weapon, unless it is marked with a sign
B - A business with a liquor license or permit, which gets 51% or more of its income from the sale of alcohol for consumption on the premises, must conspicuously post a sign at each entrance, in English and Spanish, that it is unlawful for a CHL to carry a handgun on the premises. The sign must be in contrasting colors with block letters at least one inch high, with the number "51" in solid red at least five inches high. (see Art. 4413(29ee) Sec. 31).
C - Any place with a liquor license or permit that doesn't have to post a "51" sign (in other words, they get less than 51% of their income from drink sales) must post a sign that says it is unlawful to carry a weapon on the premises unless you have a valid CHL permit. The basic idea here is to make bars off limits to everyone, but to allow CHLs to enjoy a restaurant even if it serves alcohol (and it's illegal for a CHL to get drunk while armed). The sign must be at least six inches high and 14 inches wide, in contrasting colors, and conspicuously displayed. The liquor authorities can require a language in addition to English if they deem it necessary. (see Alcoholic Beverage Code §11.041 and §61.11).
 

veni vidi vici

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Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2990102
Home protection is completely different from confronting someone in a public place. If someone is invading your home, you have the upper hand in the situation.
Protecting oneself at home or out in public is no difference.Upper hand??? with no way to defend yourself you have no hand
Your little story about the doctor is deceiving. Most restaurants around the country do not allow concealed weapons in their establishments. If they sell liquor of any kind, it's defintely prohibited. I'm willing to bet the 'robber' wasn't the only one arrested in this scenario.
I bet if this doc was arrested a jury would not convict nor would the DA prosecute if he had a brain
The grocery story? The guy was an idiot for risking his wallet over his families safety. Even if he had no money, hand him the empty wallet and say "See?" I doubt very seriously the assailant would still want to take a baby hostage. So instead he pulls a weapon and starts a fire fight. Amazing no one in his family wasn't shot or killed.
How do you know what the assailent was going to do other than what he said?And would you be willing to take the chance he was bluffing? BTW Phoenix, AZ is #2 in the world for kidnappings in case you missed that one.
So which NRA propaganda site you pull these little tidbits from?

The main one...The big daddy one.The only one out there looking out for the 2nd Amend.So i have no choice but to support and be a member of. Also all the articles you call propaganda have a date/place /and news outlet attached
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bionicarm

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Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2990111
Just another point of factual correction, for those reading. In Texas (where bionic claims to live) you can actually go into any restarant and carry a weapon, unless it is marked with a sign
B - A business with a liquor license or permit, which gets 51% or more of its income from the sale of alcohol for consumption on the premises, must conspicuously post a sign at each entrance, in English and Spanish, that it is unlawful for a CHL to carry a handgun on the premises. The sign must be in contrasting colors with block letters at least one inch high, with the number "51" in solid red at least five inches high. (see Art. 4413(29ee) Sec. 31).
C - Any place with a liquor license or permit that doesn't have to post a "51" sign (in other words, they get less than 51% of their income from drink sales) must post a sign that says it is unlawful to carry a weapon on the premises unless you have a valid CHL permit. The basic idea here is to make bars off limits to everyone, but to allow CHLs to enjoy a restaurant even if it serves alcohol (and it's illegal for a CHL to get drunk while armed). The sign must be at least six inches high and 14 inches wide, in contrasting colors, and conspicuously displayed. The liquor authorities can require a language in addition to English if they deem it necessary. (see Alcoholic Beverage Code §11.041 and §61.11).

Yep, you're correct. But I rarely see a decent restaurant that doesn't have the sign. Guess if you hang out in Ice Houses and 'hole in the walls' who don't give a crap, you can carry.
 

bionicarm

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Originally Posted by Veni Vidi Vici
http:///forum/post/2990115
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Sure you have the upper hand in your own home. You have the protection of rooms, closets, or other hiding places a criminal trying to enter your house has no clue where they are. You're not limited to just one weapon, as opposed to walking around in public. You are fully aware of your surroundings, and where you have 'outs'. With your family or friends? Where would you rather be? Inside your house where they have to get in first, or in some public area where you have limited options?
The doctor? You're assuming the DA or judge is pro-gun. You're also assuming the entire story is being told.
The guy at the grocery store was an idiot. You don't risk your family's life with some guy sticking a gun in your face by pulling one yourself. You actually think it is better to enrage a gunman by threatening him with a weapon as opposed to difusing the situation by giving him what he wants? You need to know when to pick your battles. This wasn't one of them. Any of his family members, including the baby were an easy target in this situation. Bet your NRA site doesn't tell the stories where the guy gets his head blown off after pulling a gun out because someone in a car talked trash to them and he didn't know they had a gun pointing at him. Or the case where a gunman surprises someone walking up to their car, and the CWH gets shot as soon as he shows his weapon.
The only thing the NRA is looking after is the money you hand to them for some useless card. They have some of the most backwards agendas I've ever seen. Priorities in life completely skewed. NRA advocates are probably the first one's you read about in the obituaries. They're so cocky thinking that because they can carry a weapon, they're bullet proof. Problem is when the situation arises to actually use that weapon, they end up doing it wrong or use the wrong thought process for the scenario. For your sake, hope you don't fit the bill of an NRA fanatic. If so, let us know where to send the flowers.
 

reefraff

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Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2990092
Yours is a perfect example of why normal and untrained citizens SHOULDN'T carry concealed weapons. You actually pulled a gun out in front of a car loaded with 'punks'? You didn't think MAYBE they had guns? I'm surprised you weren't left dead in the parking lot. You thought you were defusing the situation by making the statement "OK punk, I have a gun. Whatcha gonna do about it?" Problem is, most of these 'punks' these days are carrying the same weapon, if not bigger. I'm amazed you weren't riddled by bullets by at least two or three of these dudes. We've had similar scenarios like yours recently in San Antonio. Most of them ended with the CWH getting shot or killed. Instead of whipping out your gun, you scream at the potential thief to get away from your car, and call the police. If they aren't armed, most likely they will do as you say and run away. If they are armed, they're most likely are going to have their weapon drawn before you. You going to risk your life by playing 'Quick Draw McGraw' and see if you can outdraw the nut? Even if you have your weapon already drawn, do you have the hindsight of knowing when to fire? That's the problem with untrained carriers. You don't know how to properly react to each situation. Go ask any cop what they would think about your reaction in this scenario. Odds are they will tell you that you made the wrong decision.
Typical liberal response. You know nothing of the situation but assume you know best how the situation should have handled. A friend who is now a detective in the city where this occurred didn't see a problem with what happened other than I should have gotten their license number and reported the altercation.
You go ahead and make the choice of when to take action based on hindsight. I and hopefully most others educate themselves and consider the circumstances BEFORE a situation like this arises. I know exactly when to fire which I guess is why their car didn't get several slugs put into the side of it. As far as quick draw contests I guess I have something most of you liberals lack, common sense. It would be pretty stupid to try to pull your gun out when someone was already holding one on you. .
 

bionicarm

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Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/2990228
Typical liberal response. You know nothing of the situation but assume you know best how the situation should have handled. A friend who is now a detective in the city where this occurred didn't see a problem with what happened other than I should have gotten their license number and reported the altercation.
You go ahead and make the choice of when to take action based on hindsight. I and hopefully most others educate themselves and consider the circumstances BEFORE a situation like this arises. I know exactly when to fire which I guess is why their car didn't get several slugs put into the side of it. As far as quick draw contests I guess I have something most of you liberals lack, common sense. It would be pretty stupid to try to pull your gun out when someone was already holding one on you. .
You Darth and strdbe sound all alike. Blame it on the liberals. Riiiight. I'm sure you told your detective friend exactly what went down. Sorry, but you were just lucky, plain and simple. There is no way I'd pull out a gun and point it at a car loaded with people, not knowing who or what they have in that car. I'm not surprised that didn't come back, either trying to run you over, or bring their own firepower. Personally, if you'd pulled a gun on me, I would've driven away and immediately called the police. You had better have your story straight about the provocation, or you'd be locked up and your little CWP would be revoked. Who do you think the cops are gonna believe? You, just because you have some CWP, or a car full of kids that have no weapons in their possession?
Common sense?
Yea, you sure showed common sense with that little escapade. Go read The Vici's little NRA confrontation at the grocery store. Was that guy stupid for pulling his weapon out? You honestly gonna tell me that guy used common sense in that scenario?
 

bionicarm

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Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2990219
Please post links to most of these stories...
Look them up yourself. You seem to know how to use a search engine. I get tired of having to justify repsonses to you. Pretty pointless if you ask me.
 

oscardeuce

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Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2989721
You're comparing medicine to self defense? Man, the mentality of gun fanatics. Let me make it simple. As a physician, you are licensed to save lives based on what you learned from the many years of attending medical school and your residency. That's the job you chose to do in life. It is NOT your job to be 'packing' an M-1 or some other 'cannon' in your back pocket waiting become the next savior when someone's life is being threatened. You sound like you're living for the day to whip out your .357 Mag and nail the next bad guy that comes along. Why in the world do you prepare for self defense? Do you live in that bad of a community that you feel so threatened some physical harm may come to you? That's the problem with 'normal' citizens having the ability to carry a concealed weapon. You go to some simplistic class where they teach you the basics of how to load/unload your weapon, where you can or can't carry that weapon, what types of weapons are legal for you to carry, and when you are allowed to use that weapon. That's it. But they don't teach you the mental aspects of what's involved with actually using that weapon in a deadly situation. You think you're prepared to actually point that fancy gun of yours at someone just because you can shoot a " 1" ten shot group at 25 yards "? Put a live body in front of you at 25 yards, pointing the same M-1 at you about to pull the trigger, then see if you can make that same 1" grouping. That's the problem with your logic. A life shouldn't be in your hands when it comes to using a gun. You're not properly emotionally trained to handle a deadly situation with a gun as you are with handling a trauma as a physician. You may think you are because hey, "I know how to shoot my weapon". What else is there? What's the difference between shooting a tin can or some stationary target, and a breathing human being? Being a physician, I think you can figure that one out.

Without armed courageous "normal" citizens, our country would not exist, and we'd still be looking to the Crown. Then again you'd probably be a Tory in 1776 and asking those of us talking revolution to stop playing soldier, you'll never win.
As to practicing marksmanship and combat skills. Mick Mannock, Manfred von Ricthofen and other aces made their names on skills honed in the hunting field, and the target range. Manfred was a fair pilot, but an excellent marksman and tactician.
I guess you missed my point of be prepared, and my second point ,you never know until the rubber hits the road. I do not even want to use my firearm, but I am prepared.
BTW an M-1 will not fit in your pocket.
 

oscardeuce

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Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2990218
You actually think it is better to enrage a gunman by threatening him with a weapon as opposed to difusing the situation by giving him what he wants? .

That same thinking allowed 2 planes to hit the WTC. I guess some other Patriots on Flight 93 thought differently.
 

veni vidi vici

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Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2990218
Sure you have the upper hand in your own home. You have the protection of rooms, closets, or other hiding places a criminal trying to enter your house has no clue where they are. You're not limited to just one weapon, as opposed to walking around in public. You are fully aware of your surroundings, and where you have 'outs'. With your family or friends? Where would you rather be? Inside your house where they have to get in first, or in some public area where you have limited options?
What if im not at home?What if im at church? What if im sitting in a classroom? What if im walking down the street.........Am i safer without a weapon when a criminal tries to rob me or take my child???Or should i assume he will just go away if he get what he wants?
Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2990218
The doctor? You're assuming the DA or judge is pro-gun. You're also assuming the entire story is being told.
Im assuming people have common sense Judge /DA/Jury
Originally Posted by bionicarm

http:///forum/post/2990218
The guy at the grocery store was an idiot. You don't risk your family's life with some guy sticking a gun in your face by pulling one yourself. You actually think it is better to enrage a gunman by threatening him with a weapon as opposed to difusing the situation by giving him what he wants? You need to know when to pick your battles. This wasn't one of them. Any of his family members, including the baby were an easy target in this situation.
Diffusing the situation?!?!
Yeah put two in the chest and one in the head,thats diffusion.
Waiting for the criminal to shoot you or one of your family members,or threaten to take your child and do nothing.That is flat out neglect and insane.
How do you diffuse a crackhead intent on taking your money and life so there isnt a witness????? Please explain this to me,change my mind on why i shouldnt end his life to save my own or some other innocent persons.
Originally Posted by bionicarm

http:///forum/post/2990218
Bet your NRA site doesn't tell the stories where the guy gets his head blown off after pulling a gun out because someone in a car talked trash to them and he didn't know they had a gun pointing at him. Or the case where a gunman surprises someone walking up to their car, and the CWH gets shot as soon as he shows his weapon.
This thought train you have rolling is way off track. If a guy is trash talking to me for no reason and has a gun ,chances are he means me harm.Without a weapon i dont have any chance at all.

Or should i try to diffuse the situation by talking reason with him?
Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2990218
The only thing the NRA is looking after is the money you hand to them for some useless card. They have some of the most backwards agendas I've ever seen. Priorities in life completely skewed. NRA advocates are probably the first one's you read about in the obituaries. They're so cocky thinking that because they can carry a weapon, they're bullet proof. Problem is when the situation arises to actually use that weapon, they end up doing it wrong or use the wrong thought process for the scenario. For your sake, hope you don't fit the bill of an NRA fanatic. If so, let us know where to send the flowers.

*Sigh* The NRA is the only organization that is working to protect the 2nd amendment and doing a fine job of it i might add.
"DC Gun Ban "REVERSED!"
I can post a lot factual things they do if you like besides take my money and give me a card.
 

veni vidi vici

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Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2990438
Go read The Vici's little NRA confrontation at the grocery store. Was that guy stupid for pulling his weapon out? You honestly gonna tell me that guy used common sense in that scenario?

Originally Posted by Veni Vidi Vici

http:///forum/post/2989853
When the father said he had nothing to give them, one assailant said, “Get the baby!”

You show me a armed father that wouldnt start shooting and ill show you a coward who shouldnt have children.
*EDIT*
I forgot to include "Phoenix is #2 in the world for kidnappings"
 

bionicarm

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Originally Posted by oscardeuce
http:///forum/post/2990468
Without armed courageous "normal" citizens, our country would not exist, and we'd still be looking to the Crown. Then again you'd probably be a Tory in 1776 and asking those of us talking revolution to stop playing soldier, you'll never win.
As to practicing marksmanship and combat skills. Mick Mannock, Manfred von Ricthofen and other aces made their names on skills honed in the hunting field, and the target range. Manfred was a fair pilot, but an excellent marksman and tactician.
I guess you missed my point of be prepared, and my second point ,you never know until the rubber hits the road. I do not even want to use my firearm, but I am prepared.
BTW an M-1 will not fit in your pocket.
Please. Don't try to compare the armed militia in the 1700's to the 'common folk' they allow to carry concealed weapons today. Two totally different eras, completely different agendas. And a German fighter pilot?
Where do you come up with these analogies? Kinda stuck on the 'rubber hits the road' phrase are you? If you don't want to use your firearm, why do you carry it? Since you apparently don't lug your M-1 down your pants leg, what do you carry?
 

bionicarm

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Originally Posted by oscardeuce
http:///forum/post/2990473
That same thinking allowed 2 planes to hit the WTC. I guess some other Patriots on Flight 93 thought differently.
Jesus, where do you people come up with this stuff? The idiots on the 9-11 planes didn't have guns. They had razor blades. They were able to do what they did because of the lax security measures the FCC allowed prior to 9-11. Read the other posts about taking the guns away from pilots (I guess that's the argument). From what a highly experienced flight attendent says, over 90% of flights these days has an Air Marshall on it. If those policies were implemented prior to 9-11, there's a good chance none of the 9-11 planes would've crashed or hit their mark. The terrorists would've been dead before they even reached the cabin. They wouldn't have even been able to get into the cabins for that matter. And the people carrying the guns (i.e Air Marshalls) are trained extensively to handle the types of threats on airplanes. If someone were to pull ANY device and threaten a passenger, they'd have a bullet between their eyes before they knew what happened next.
 

bionicarm

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Originally Posted by Veni Vidi Vici
http:///forum/post/2990476
What if im not at home?What if im at church? What if im sitting in a classroom? What if im walking down the street.........Am i safer without a weapon when a criminal tries to rob me or take my child???Or should i assume he will just go away if he get what he wants?
Im assuming people have common sense Judge /DA/Jury
Diffusing the situation?!?!
Yeah put two in the chest and one in the head,thats diffusion.
Waiting for the criminal to shoot you or one of your family members,or threaten to take your child and do nothing.That is flat out neglect and insane.
How do you diffuse a crackhead intent on taking your money and life so there isnt a witness????? Please explain this to me,change my mind on why i shouldnt end his life to save my own or some other innocent persons.
This thought train you have rolling is way off track. If a guy is trash talking to me for no reason and has a gun ,chances are he means me harm.Without a weapon i dont have any chance at all.

Or should i try to diffuse the situation by talking reason with him?
*Sigh* The NRA is the only organization that is working to protect the 2nd amendment and doing a fine job of it i might add.
"DC Gun Ban "REVERSED!"
I can post a lot factual things they do if you like besides take my money and give me a card.
Dude, you're a gun accident waiting to happen. Have you actually taken a concealed weapons course? You do realize you're not allowed to have a weapon in a church or school. You go to the extreme where you talk like you can't walk down the street in public without worrying whether someone is going to grab you or your kid at gunpoint. Please show me the statistics of how often that happens.
Two in the chest and one in the head.
Remember Chuck Norris, the criminal at the grocery store already had his gun drawn. It's a miracle he didn't kill half that guy's family before he did pull his weapon. The only reason he didn't is because the criminal wasn't prepared to use HIS weapon. Odds are, it probably wasn't even loaded.
*sigh*, the NRA is the biggest lobbyist and PAC in Washington. They're practically in every politician's pocket so they'll support their twisted agenda's. Every NRA card holder I've come across is the last person I'd give a gun to. Why? Because they talk like you, and have no clue what the meaning of proper gun usage is. Their idea of handling a gun is how many bullets they can run through it, and what kind of recoil it has. Ninety percent of them wouldn't know what to do in a life threatening situation if their lives depended on it. They have the same mentality as you -- if I'm packin', I'm protected. Just try to intimidate or threaten me and see what happens. What happens is they get disarmed by their attacker and their weapon is used against them. That, or they pull their weapon with the intent in using it, but don't assess the situation first -- like pulling a gun out and pointing it at a carload of punks.
 

veni vidi vici

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Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2990792
Dude, you're a gun accident waiting to happen. Have you actually taken a concealed weapons course? You do realize you're not allowed to have a weapon in a church or school. You go to the extreme where you talk like you can't walk down the street in public without worrying whether someone is going to grab you or your kid at gunpoint. Please show me the statistics of how often that happens.
First off how do you know "Im a gun accident waiting to happen?" That like me just saying you where a accidental conception that happened.
So let me answer your first question,No im have not taken a C&C course since Illinois currently dosent allow citizens to C&C.But thanks to the NRA and the Illinois Sheriffs Police Association that is in the works so that i can.At that point i will be required to do so.
However this hasent slowed down the criminals in the murder capital of the USA "Chicago" or the rest of my state.
Now to this statement
Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2990792
"You do realize you're not allowed to have a weapon in a church or school."
HMMMMMM? well let me answer that like this.If we where we might still have a living minister in downstate Illinois and some 5 living students at NIU.They may have been able to protect themselves from these two separate insane people
Originally Posted by bionicarm

http:///forum/post/2990792
Two in the chest and one in the head.
Remember Chuck Norris, the criminal at the grocery store already had his gun drawn. It's a miracle he didn't kill half that guy's family before he did pull his weapon. The only reason he didn't is because the criminal wasn't prepared to use HIS weapon. Odds are, it probably wasn't even loaded.
Yeah you already stated you would have waited to see him take your child or shoot you or your family before you got through reasoning with the perpetrators.
Originally Posted by bionicarm

http:///forum/post/2990792
*sigh*, the NRA is the biggest lobbyist and PAC in Washington. They're practically in every politician's pocket so they'll support their twisted agenda's. Every NRA card holder I've come across is the last person I'd give a gun to. Why? Because they talk like you, and have no clue what the meaning of proper gun usage is. Their idea of handling a gun is how many bullets they can run through it, and what kind of recoil it has. Ninety percent of them wouldn't know what to do in a life threatening situation if their lives depended on it. They have the same mentality as you -- if I'm packin', I'm protected. Just try to intimidate or threaten me and see what happens. What happens is they get disarmed by their attacker and their weapon is used against them. That, or they pull their weapon with the intent in using it, but don't assess the situation first -- like pulling a gun out and pointing it at a carload of punks.
Here is my official stance,A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

So until Congress rescinds or amends this you cant have my guns,any of them,in any way shape or form.
You sure like to paint with a broad brush and make a lot of assumptions. Im 99.9% sure that i can and would make the right judgment call under duress.Deadly force is a last resort but if it came down to me or a criminal perpetrating a crime that may result in harm to me or my family i like my chances much more armed than not and having to reason with a bullet.
BTW i am quite proficient with a firearm and do preform well under pressure.
 

stdreb27

Active Member
Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2990203
Yep, you're correct. But I rarely see a decent restaurant that doesn't have the sign. Guess if you hang out in Ice Houses and 'hole in the walls' who don't give a crap, you can carry.
Those are typically the best places. But then again, I typically don't go to an actual bar per say. Most restaurant I walk into, don't ban guns. And we look because we typically won't come back if they do.
 

reefraff

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Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2990438
You Darth and strdbe sound all alike. Blame it on the liberals. Riiiight. I'm sure you told your detective friend exactly what went down. Sorry, but you were just lucky, plain and simple. There is no way I'd pull out a gun and point it at a car loaded with people, not knowing who or what they have in that car. I'm not surprised that didn't come back, either trying to run you over, or bring their own firepower. Personally, if you'd pulled a gun on me, I would've driven away and immediately called the police. You had better have your story straight about the provocation, or you'd be locked up and your little CWP would be revoked. Who do you think the cops are gonna believe? You, just because you have some CWP, or a car full of kids that have no weapons in their possession?
Common sense?
Yea, you sure showed common sense with that little escapade. Go read The Vici's little NRA confrontation at the grocery store. Was that guy stupid for pulling his weapon out? You honestly gonna tell me that guy used common sense in that scenario?
Once again ASSuming you know the facts.
First off I have no CWP. I carried (and still do) the gun in my car.
I would never point a gun at anything I didn't intend to shoot or was at least willing to shoot. Making eye contact with the driver while holding the gun pointed straight up was enough for him to decide HE WAS THROUGH PLAYING GAMES. I had tried slowing down and speeding up to avoid the clowns and they kept right beside me. We were coming up on a red light with cars in both lanes where I couldn't avoid the idiot. The gun finally came out when the guy sitting in the middle of the back seat reached under the seat for something. He saw the gun and stopped short of the other cars, light turned green and I cut a right. Never saw them again. I suppose in your world I should have let the 5 of them drag me out of the car

I'd rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6. Had it come to the point of shooting I would be willing to make my case.
Oh, and the whole thing that started this was a guy I knew had written the Bulls suck and a couple other things on the back of my car with white shoe polish. This was during the Suns Bulls finals in 93 and I was in Phoenix. Evidently the bangers like the Bulls or something.
 

reefraff

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Oh, and by the way the friend who is now a detective had a similar situation in his pre cop days. A guy got out of his car and started walking back to my friend's car yelling and screaming. My friend pulled out his gun and laid it on the dash board. Worked for him too.
 
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