Yet another reason to ban assault weapons

reefraff

reefraff

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Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3003636
As hot-headed as I've seen college kids on campuses, I don't know if I'd like the idea of any of them 'packing'. Like the article stated, would a professor have to wonder if he gave a student a bad grade, whether the kid would go postal and pull a gun out right in the middle of class and start shooting at him - "What do you mean I got a 89 on my test! Dude! You're messing with my 4.0 GPA!!!! How am I gonna get into Harvard Grad school now!!! BANG! BANG!"
WHat would keep the same student from going home or to a friends and grabbing a gun and doing the same thing?
I Would be more concerned about a kid doing something really dumb which tends to happen when you are young and stupid..
 
bionicarm

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bionicarm

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/3003907
If it is not an excess, what is it then?
Cars traveling at high speeds account for 40% of all accidents and deaths involving vehicles. Thus why not put a governor on these cars and not manufacture cars that drive at these speeds?
Assault weapons account for (going with the high figure) 10% of all crimes involving guns, and you are fine with banning them based off this statistic...but yet you are defending the right to own a vehicle that is designed to travel at speeds greater than necessary. I call hypocrite.....Banning one of these would save more lives than the other...yet you picked the cause that saves less lives and see nothing wrong with the other. I am just using your arguments.....now, try to defend the reason to build a car that drive 180 miles an hour.

You keep coming up with these small percentages regarding assault weapons crimes. I keep asking the same question (I sound like Vici) - how can you prove what type of weapon was used in every single crime? Your 10% probably comes from some statistic based on crimes where the police had the weapon used in their possession. A weapon is not confiscated in every crime when one is used. When a weapon is used in some crimes, the victim is unable to describe what the assailant looked like, much less what type of gun they were holding. So sorry, I don't buy th 10% argument.
Again, you can't compare the two. You're trying to justify owning an item like an assault weapon whose sole purpose of use it to shoot or kill it's target or victim. An automobile's primary use isn't for a person to use it as a deadly weapon. It's a mode of transportation. Yes, people do misuse a vehicle and violate laws when driving them. But in most cases, it is not their intention to hurt or harm someone when they do violate the laws for speeding or driving intoxicated. With the exception of the avid gun collector who likes to rip off hundreds of rounds out of their Uzi for that adrenaline rush. the sole purpose of that gun is to kill someone or multiple people in a firefight like one's that occur in times of war. Plain and simple. So yes, if your statistics about related deaths with vehicles are accurate, then maybe they do need to implement stricter controls and guidelines to reduce these numbers. But I'm sure you'd start screaming about violating some other Constitutional right if they did that.
 
veni vidi vici

veni vidi vici

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Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3004094
Here's a nice article validating the inadequacies of the process for selling guns. At least they have a better idea how drug cartels are getting their weapons now:
http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/mex...s_dealers.html
http://www.mysanantonio.com/Gun_Runn...es_part_1.html
http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/mex...onspiracy.html
I'm sure Vici will come up with some Supreme Court ruling to justify whay it's not a gun owners fault perople are buying their guns and selling them off to Mexico.

Here is a novel idea.How about if Mexico defends its own boarders against incoming contraband?And if we do the same then no drugs leave Mexico.See how that works? We dont want their drugs and they dont want our guns.............In stead they did nothing until they had a cartel war on their hands.....
In addition do you think these Billionaire Cartel Lords need the USA to obtain Kalashnikov's? These weapons can be had from going further south of Mexico or many other different places . Dont be naive.
 
bionicarm

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Originally Posted by Veni Vidi Vici
http:///forum/post/3004108
Here is a novel idea.How about if Mexico defends its own boarders against incoming contraband?And if we do the same then no drugs leave Mexico.See how that works? We dont want their drugs and they dont want our guns.............In stead they did nothing until they had a cartel war on their hands.....
You need to get out more. How many times have you been to Mexico? Their country reeks of corruptness. Why do you think so many Mexicans try to enter our country illegally? Actually Mexico tries to defend their borders as best they can about allowing firearms into their country. Drive to a border town sometime and see the huge signs warning anyone about entering Mexico with just AMMO. I remember a few years ago an article about a guy who went across the border to get some cigarettes and alcohol after a hunting trip he was on. He took his guns out of his car, but accidentally left a couple of shotgun shells in the trunk. He happened to be one of the cars that gets randomly searched, and the Mexican authorites found the shells. It took his family almost a year to get him out of the Mexican prison they put him in for the offense. Same thing happened last year I think with a National Guard member who just got back from Iraq. Accidentally left his weapon in his car when he was crossing the Juarez border. Forget how long it took his family to get him back to the US.
 
veni vidi vici

veni vidi vici

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Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3004121
You need to get out more. How many times have you been to Mexico? Their country reeks of corruptness. Why do you think so many Mexicans try to enter our country illegally? Actually Mexico tries to defend their borders as best they can about allowing firearms into their country. Drive to a border town sometime and see the huge signs warning anyone about entering Mexico with just AMMO. I remember a few years ago an article about a guy who went across the border to get some cigarettes and alcohol after a hunting trip he was on. He took his guns out of his car, but accidentally left a couple of shotgun shells in the trunk. He happened to be one of the cars that gets randomly searched, and the Mexican authorites found the shells. It took his family almost a year to get him out of the Mexican prison they put him in for the offense. Same thing happened last year I think with a National Guard member who just got back from Iraq. Accidentally left his weapon in his car when he was crossing the Juarez border. Forget how long it took his family to get him back to the US.
Moral of the story....Dont go into Mexico with Guns and/or Ammo.
Sounds to me like Mexico need to get their act together but im not giving up my rights so they can remain corrupt.Im not giving up my rights period for any excuse,especially one that comes from outside our boarders.
BTW i was born and raised in San Antonio and most of my family still lives in the Great State of Texas. Ill be back soon
 
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“Laws that forbid the carrying of arms...disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes...Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man.”
~Thomas Jefferson~
 
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“A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government.”
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"Firearms stand next in importance to the Constitution itself. They are the American people's liberty teeth and keystone under independence ... From the hour the Pilgrims landed, to the present day, events, occurrences, and tendencies prove that to insure peace, security and happiness, the rifle and pistol are equally indispensable . . . the very atmosphere of firearms everywhere restrains evil interference - they deserve a place of honor with all that is good"
~George Washington~
 
reefraff

reefraff

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Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3004094
Here's a nice article validating the inadequacies of the process for selling guns. At least they have a better idea how drug cartels are getting their weapons now:
http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/mex...s_dealers.html
http://www.mysanantonio.com/Gun_Runn...es_part_1.html
http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/mex...onspiracy.html
I'm sure Vici will come up with some Supreme Court ruling to justify whay it's not a gun owners fault perople are buying their guns and selling them off to Mexico.

Didn't see anything that said these were assault riffles. The articles did point out there were Hand Grenades and explosives recovered as well.
So is your solution to the "inadequacies in the selling process" to further infringe on my constitutional right to buy a gun to make it harder for the guy who bought hand grenades and explosives to buy a gun?
If Mexico put the same effort into policing their norther border as they do on the southern one there wouldn't be an issue. But of course if they did they wouldn't be able to export their welfare problem to the US so.....
 
bionicarm

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Originally Posted by Veni Vidi Vici
http:///forum/post/3004128
Moral of the story....Dont go into Mexico with Guns and/or Ammo.
Sounds to me like Mexico need to get their act together but im not giving up my rights so they can remain corrupt.Im not giving up my rights period for any excuse,especially one that comes from outside our boarders.
BTW i was born and raised in San Antonio and most of my family still lives in the Great State of Texas. Ill be back soon

NOOOOOO!!! I'll alert the Texas Border Patrol.
 
bionicarm

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Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3004159
Didn't see anything that said these were assault riffles. The articles did point out there were Hand Grenades and explosives recovered as well.
So is your solution to the "inadequacies in the selling process" to further infringe on my constitutional right to buy a gun to make it harder for the guy who bought hand grenades and explosives to buy a gun?
If Mexico put the same effort into policing their norther border as they do on the southern one there wouldn't be an issue. But of course if they did they wouldn't be able to export their welfare problem to the US so.....
From the first article:
The memo said one of Gonzalez's safe houses was discovered in Mission. It was stockpiled with assault weapons and tactical vests.
I first saw this story in my hard-copy newspaper this morning. They had a picture of the weapons they seized in this raid. Half of them were assault-type weapons.
 
darthtang aw

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bionicarm

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/3004248
And this story relates to assault weapons how?
http://www.daytondailynews.com/n/con...609oviweb.html
Good thing this guy wasn't driving fast when he did this.
It's about college kids being allowed to carry concealed weapons on campus.
Like I said, you think there's aproblem with people driving too fast? Pass legislation to limit all American-made cars to 70MPH. I have no problem with that. I'm sure you've NEVER gone over the speed limit in your lifetime.
It's sad you want to hide behind the Constitution to justify owning something that is primarily used to kill people. Then you try this lame analogy of, "Well this stick can be used to kill someone. This car can be used to kill someone., etc." Problem is, cars weren't specifically designed to be used as lethal weapons. It's just unfortunate that it ends up being used that way when a driver makes the wrong decision and goes too fast or has too much to drink. There are more fatalities with cars than guns because cars are used 10,000 times more often than a gun in normal everyday living. Major cities have 1 mile stretches of roads that carry over 50,000 cars per day. Odds are, a fatality will occur on that 1 mile road on any given day. So naturally, those statistics will be higher than gun violence cases. Bottom line - a vehicle isn't considered or defined as a deadly weapon. Assault weapons are...
 
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