Yet another reason to ban assault weapons

bionicarm

bionicarm

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Originally Posted by oscardeuce
http:///forum/post/2986033
JP claimed that, twice. More liberal misinformation.
JP, have you read any of the armed citizen accounts?
This is from CNN:
McLendon -- a self-proclaimed survivalist who was known to train with the rifles he used in the shooting spree -- enlisted in the Marines in 1999, but was kicked out one month later for "fraudulent enlistment," Murphy said.
He was hired as a police officer in 2003, but let go a month later for what Murphy called physical issues.
The nearly hourlong assault ended 24 miles from where it began at Reliable Metal Products plant in Geneva, where McLendon had worked in 2003.
"McLendon made statements of being depressed and was dissatisfied with his present position in life," Murphy said. "His dream was to become a Marine, and later a police officer. Both those dreams were unfulfilled."
McLendon was armed with two assault rifles -- an SKS and a Bushmaster -- and two pistols, and a shotgun was found in his car.
"At this time, we believe that he fired in excess of 200 rounds during the assaults," the Department of Public Safety said in a news release.
McLendon had no known criminal record before carrying out the rampage, officials said
Were the SKS and Bushmaster converted to auto? They haven't said yet as far as I've read. I know there's online books and docs that describe how to convert these weapons to auto, but it's unclear if he did this or not.
 
oscardeuce

oscardeuce

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Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2984776
You can't use the lighter, rock, stick analogies with these random gun attacks. They're not the same. You're taking the measure to an extreme. If you look at it that way, then you could virtually ban every single object on this planet. Pick something, anything. That 'anything' could be used as a deadly weapon. But a stick can't accurately be thrown an lethally kill someone at 50 yards. A lighter can't create a large enough flame that can be thrown at someone 10 to 15 times like a semi-auto weapon can. Throw a large rock at someone and kill them? Sure. But can you throw that same rock 10 to 15 times in less than 10 seconds accurately like a pistol or rifle like an AR-15 or AK-47? See where I'm going with this?
I also like all the talk about how if an 'armed citizen' were present, tragedies like these could be avoided. People who own guns, specifically concealed weapons, have to get special training and go through classes in order to carry those guns in public. But how many of those people would know how to use that weapon in a scenario like one of these last gun attacks? Have you ever shot and killed someone? If someone was randomly shooting people, and you pulled your weapon out, could you pull the trigger? Could you accurately shoot your weapon and hit the person without hitting an innocent bystander? I'm sure most of you will say, "Of course. I'd have no problems blowing the jerk away." But unfortunately, when situations like this occur, rarely does a 'legally armed citizen' bring down the assailant. Most of the times, they get themselves killed because they either can't aim their weapon properly, or hesitate to pull the trigger. All they do is become the next target.

Funny a few guys with box cutters were able to hold 100's of people at bay and kill over 3000. Ban the box cutter. A crossbow/bow can throw a stick 50 yards and kill. Ban the bow and arrow and the cross bow and bolt.
I pray to God, I will never have to defend against another human, but if I draw, then I am willing to destroy what I am aiming at be it a target, animal for food, or a human bent on destruction. I will do my best to hit my target. At the very least I will be the next target, a target ready, willing, and able to defend himself. I will maintain my skills, and my firearm in the best condition possible. I will protect the innocent life around me. I will be the sheep dog in the herd of sheep. I will not cower, I will not waiver, I will not give in to those who terrorize us.
I am a free citizen.
 
oscardeuce

oscardeuce

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Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2984776
You can't use the lighter, rock, stick analogies with these random gun attacks. They're not the same. You're taking the measure to an extreme. If you look at it that way, then you could virtually ban every single object on this planet. Pick something, anything. That 'anything' could be used as a deadly weapon. But a stick can't accurately be thrown an lethally kill someone at 50 yards. A lighter can't create a large enough flame that can be thrown at someone 10 to 15 times like a semi-auto weapon can. Throw a large rock at someone and kill them? Sure. But can you throw that same rock 10 to 15 times in less than 10 seconds accurately like a pistol or rifle like an AR-15 or AK-47? See where I'm going with this?
I also like all the talk about how if an 'armed citizen' were present, tragedies like these could be avoided. People who own guns, specifically concealed weapons, have to get special training and go through classes in order to carry those guns in public. But how many of those people would know how to use that weapon in a scenario like one of these last gun attacks? Have you ever shot and killed someone? If someone was randomly shooting people, and you pulled your weapon out, could you pull the trigger? Could you accurately shoot your weapon and hit the person without hitting an innocent bystander? I'm sure most of you will say, "Of course. I'd have no problems blowing the jerk away." But unfortunately, when situations like this occur, rarely does a 'legally armed citizen' bring down the assailant. Most of the times, they get themselves killed because they either can't aim their weapon properly, or hesitate to pull the trigger. All they do is become the next target.
bionicarm;2986056 said:
This is from CNN:
McLendon -- a self-proclaimed survivalist who was known to train with the rifles he used in the shooting spree -- enlisted in the Marines in 1999, but was kicked out one month later for "fraudulent enlistment,"
Let's look at another "fraudulent" enlistment in the USMC.
http://articles.latimes.com/2008/jun/06/local/me-lucas6
Seems these are different men. One went on to greatness, and one chose a different path. We cannot legislate bad decisions can we?
Ban depression.
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bionicarm

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Originally Posted by oscardeuce
http:///forum/post/2986058
Funny a few guys with box cutters were able to hold 100's of people at bay and kill over 3000. Ban the box cutter. A crossbow/bow can throw a stick 50 yards and kill. Ban the bow and arrow and the cross bow and bolt.
I pray to God, I will never have to defend against another human, but if I draw, then I am willing to destroy what I am aiming at be it a target, animal for food, or a human bent on destruction. I will do my best to hit my target. At the very least I will be the next target, a target ready, willing, and able to defend himself. I will maintain my skills, and my firearm in the best condition possible. I will protect the innocent life around me. I will be the sheep dog in the herd of sheep. I will not cower, I will not waiver, I will not give in to those who terrorize us.
I am a free citizen.

That sounds more like the Marine Rifleman's Creed -
This is my rifle. There are many like it, but this one is mine. My rifle is my best friend. It is my life. I must master it as I master my life. My rifle, without me, is useless. Without my rifle, I am useless. I must fire my rifle true. I must shoot straighter than any enemy who is trying to kill me. I must shoot him before he shoots me. I will....
My rifle and myself know that what counts in this war is not the rounds we fire, the noise of our burst, nor the smoke we make. We know that it is the hits that count. We will hit...
My rifle is human, even as I, because it is my life. Thus, I will learn it as a brother. I will learn its weakness, its strength, its parts, its accessories, its sights and its barrel. I will keep my rifle clean and ready, even as I am clean and ready. We will become part of each other. We will...
Before God I swear this creed. My rifle and myself are the defenders of my country. We are the masters of our enemy. We are the saviors of my life. So be it, until victory is America's and there is no enemy, but Peace.
You just keep a tight clutch on that NRA card oscardeuce. Hope you never have to be in a situation where you have to 'pull the trigger'. If you are, better be prepared to follow through with it. Also be prepared for the circumstances after it's over. I know someone who killed an intruder who broke into his home. To this day, he still has nightmares about it.
 
jp30338

jp30338

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Originally Posted by oscardeuce
http:///forum/post/2986033
JP claimed that, twice. More liberal misinformation.
JP, have you read any of the armed citizen accounts?
At the time of the news story, the media reported the use of an automatic weapon. I know nothing about types of guns, and personally could care less.
Your so called "armed citizens" where were they???
How is this LIBERAL misinformation?
 
jp30338

jp30338

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Originally Posted by oscardeuce
http:///forum/post/2986058
Funny a few guys with box cutters were able to hold 100's of people at bay and kill over 3000. Ban the box cutter. A crossbow/bow can throw a stick 50 yards and kill. Ban the bow and arrow and the cross bow and bolt.
I pray to God, I will never have to defend against another human, but if I draw, then I am willing to destroy what I am aiming at be it a target, animal for food, or a human bent on destruction. I will do my best to hit my target. At the very least I will be the next target, a target ready, willing, and able to defend himself. I will maintain my skills, and my firearm in the best condition possible. I will protect the innocent life around me. I will be the sheep dog in the herd of sheep. I will not cower, I will not waiver, I will not give in to those who terrorize us.
I am a free citizen.
I may come visit you in the "pen" just to see how free of a citizen you are
 
stdreb27

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Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2986056
McLendon was armed with two assault rifles -- an SKS and a Bushmaster -- and two pistols, and a shotgun was found in his car.
"At this time, we believe that he fired in excess of 200 rounds during the assaults," the Department of Public Safety said in a news release.
This is another reason I think you make most of your "experiences" are made up. anyone with anywhere near the gun experience that you claim would know that assault rifle doesn't mean that the Ar-15 or the SKS was an automatic. Most assault rifles sold in gun stores are semi-autos. That is REALLY BASIC knowedge there.
 
oscardeuce

oscardeuce

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Originally Posted by jp30338
http:///forum/post/2986073
I may come visit you in the "pen" just to see how free of a citizen you are


What do you mean?
Defending yourself is not illegal. Last I checked I had "certain inalienable rights among these are life...."
That a threat?
Move to France, you should feel safe there.
 
oscardeuce

oscardeuce

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Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2986122
This is another reason I think you make most of your "experiences" are made up. anyone with anywhere near the gun experience that you claim would know that assault rifle doesn't mean that the Ar-15 or the SKS was an automatic. Most assault rifles sold in gun stores are semi-autos. That is REALLY BASIC knowedge there.

I'd basically say all AR's sold in gunstores are semi. The Class 3 NFA autos would most likely be through specific dealers or collectors, not the common gun shop.
 
jp30338

jp30338

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Originally Posted by oscardeuce
http:///forum/post/2986058
Funny a few guys with box cutters were able to hold 100's of people at bay and kill over 3000. Ban the box cutter. A crossbow/bow can throw a stick 50 yards and kill. Ban the bow and arrow and the cross bow and bolt.
I pray to God, I will never have to defend against another human, but if I draw, then I am willing to destroy what I am aiming at be it a target, animal for food, or a human bent on destruction. I will do my best to hit my target. At the very least I will be the next target, a target ready, willing, and able to defend himself. I will maintain my skills, and my firearm in the best condition possible. I will protect the innocent life around me. I will be the sheep dog in the herd of sheep. I will not cower, I will not waiver, I will not give in to those who terrorize us.
I am a free citizen.
umm right thats what i said.

Look closer at what you wrote mister "I AM THE PROTECTOR OF ALL"
 
stdreb27

stdreb27

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Originally Posted by jp30338
http:///forum/post/2986182
Everyone bow down to oscardeuce, our new leader and protector of all that are "innocent"
wow you mock someone willing to risk his life to protect you.
That really says a lot about you... It isn't good.
 
oscardeuce

oscardeuce

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Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2986187
wow you mock someone willing to risk his life to protect you.
That really says a lot about you... It isn't good.
I wonder how JP feels about our men and women sacrificing and dying in the Armed Forces to keep us free. I don't even hold a candle to those Patriots.
I am part of the "well regulated militia".
Does JP realize the sacrifices men and women have given to keep this country free.
Is "Give me Liberty or give me death" just a slogan to JP?
 
bionicarm

bionicarm

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Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2986122
This is another reason I think you make most of your "experiences" are made up. anyone with anywhere near the gun experience that you claim would know that assault rifle doesn't mean that the Ar-15 or the SKS was an automatic. Most assault rifles sold in gun stores are semi-autos. That is REALLY BASIC knowedge there.
There you go making assumptions again. Have you figured out how to read yet? I know they are sold as semi-auto. However, an AR-15 and SKS CAN be modified to be full auto. I never said the one's this Alabama nut was using were full auto. I clearly stated that they never released that information. I did say there were plenty of online references on how to make either of these weapons full auto. Whether he did that or not, I don't know. I know it's cold in Houston right now, so the humidity can't be affecting your brain yet...
 
bionicarm

bionicarm

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/2986149
Can you believe Bionicarm would allow someone to kill his mom and dad and do nothing to stop it?
Talking out of your rear-end again Darth? LEARN TO READ. Go back a page or two and read my response. Or are you too busy making crass jokes about people getting attacked with a baseball bat?
 
oscardeuce

oscardeuce

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Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2986228
There you go making assumptions again. Have you figured out how to read yet? I know they are sold as semi-auto. However, an AR-15 and SKS CAN be modified to be full auto. I never said the one's this Alabama nut was using were full auto. I clearly stated that they never released that information. I did say there were plenty of online references on how to make either of these weapons full auto. Whether he did that or not, I don't know. I know it's cold in Houston right now, so the humidity can't be affecting your brain yet...

You realize there are already major laws against this type of modification right?
If I do something this stupid, its a one way ticket to Club Fed.
I fail to see how making more laws will stop this. There are already enough laws on the books limiting access to automatic firearms.
 
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