Yet another reason to ban assault weapons

[oscardeuce]

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2986228
. I know it's cold in Houston right now, so the humidity can't be affecting your brain yet...
More personal attacks when faced with facts.
Really nice, how old are you? ( to quote you)

 

[oscardeuce]

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2986230
Talking out of your rear-end again Darth? LEARN TO READ. Go back a page or two and read my response. Or are you too busy making crass jokes about people getting attacked with a baseball bat?
That sounds like a well thought out, educated response......

 

[darthtang aw]

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2986230
Talking out of your rear-end again Darth? LEARN TO READ. Go back a page or two and read my response. Or are you too busy making crass jokes about people getting attacked with a baseball bat?

You never responded to the question. I looked. I can read, maybe you should get that Alzheimer's checked out. But since you are here now..........
"So if a guy, with a gun had his back to you and was shooting your parents you don't think you have the right to shoot him? You think you should wait for the police and let the criminal continue shooting your parents?
Let's change it up, he is stabbing your mom, his back is to you, do you have the right at that point to kill him? How is this scenario different than the guy having a gun shooting people in the street?"

 

[bionicarm]

Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2986187
wow you mock someone willing to risk his life to protect you.
That really says a lot about you... It isn't good.
What, we're supposed to be impressed because he carries a concealed weapon? Give me a break. If I want protection, I'll call a cop. That's their job. It's not the job of a 'free citizen' (or whatever he called himself), to protect someone just because they can legally carry a firearm. Maybe you need to read and understand the rules and guidelines for carrying a concealed weapon. Legally carrying a firearm doesn't give you the license or free reign to whip the thing out anytime you think someone is threatened. "While state laws vary, generally use of deadly force must be a matter of last resort, when life or limb is endangered, when escape or retreat are foreclosed, and warnings are given but ignored."

 

[bionicarm]

Originally Posted by oscardeuce
http:///forum/post/2986234
You realize there are already major laws against this type of modification right?
If I do something this stupid, its a one way ticket to Club Fed.
I fail to see how making more laws will stop this. There are already enough laws on the books limiting access to automatic firearms.
I fully understand the laws for converting a semi-auto to an auto. The automatic weapon issue came up in this thread relating the type of assault weapon this Alabama nut was using. So if he did convert it to auto, do you really think he cared whether it was illegal? HELLO? HE SHOT HIMSELF IN THE HEAD WHEN HIS KILLING SPREE WAS OVER!

 

[bionicarm]

Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/2986242
You never responded to the question. I looked. I can read, maybe you should get that Alzheimer's checked out. But since you are here now..........
"So if a guy, with a gun had his back to you and was shooting your parents you don't think you have the right to shoot him? You think you should wait for the police and let the criminal continue shooting your parents?
Let's change it up, he is stabbing your mom, his back is to you, do you have the right at that point to kill him? How is this scenario different than the guy having a gun shooting people in the street?"
go back a page grandpa:
Here you go again Darth, arguing just to argue. Try to think with your brain instead of your mouth. No, I wouldn't expect anyone to sit there and let someone physically harm another person. Like I said, you have to have JUST CAUSE to shoot someone. What I was referring to is if you walked into a scenario like this one in Alabama, and you had someone who had his back to you pointing a gun at someone else, how do you know what his intentions are? Is he the nut case, another CW licensed person, or even a plain-clothes cop? If the guy turns around and points the gun at you, then you have JUST CAUSE to shoot him, no matter who the guy is, unless he immediately announces his intentions (I'm a cop, don't shoot! I'm an armed citizen trying to defend myself, don't shoot!)
What's comical is your thinking that I'm against self protection. I own a 9mm, keep it under the bed. It's unloaded, and the magazine is located somewhere else easily accessible to me or my wife. I've taught her how to use the gun, and she knows what to do if the situation would arise. If an intruder were to break into my home, I'd have no qualms whatsoever to shoot the individual if I felt my life, or my families life, was being threatened. But I don't go into it with the attitude of, "BANG, BANG. Halt! Who goes there?" (You know shoot first, ask questions later). I guess I have a little more respect for human life than you do.

 

[bionicarm]

Originally Posted by oscardeuce
http:///forum/post/2986241
That sounds like a well thought out, educated response......
Hey, I'm making a light-hearted comment to the situation. Wasn't that Darth's response to the 'newbie' in the attack thread?

 

[socal57che]

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2986248
If I want protection, I'll call a cop. That's their job. It's not the job of a 'free citizen' (or whatever he called himself), to protect someone just because they can legally carry a firearm. Maybe you need to read and understand the rules and guidelines for carrying a concealed weapon. Legally carrying a firearm doesn't give you the license or free reign to whip the thing out anytime you think someone is threatened. "While state laws vary, generally use of deadly force must be a matter of last resort, when life or limb is endangered, when escape or retreat are foreclosed, and warnings are given but ignored."
I think you are failing to realize that dead people can't use the phone. The job of the cops would be to draw chalk outlines of your body and string up pretty yellow ribbons around the crime scene. We are all afforded the right to protect ourselves and some of us would protect others as well.
I have to admit that I would rather have oscardeuce by my side than you, if confronted by someone wishing to do me harm.

 

[socal57che]

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2986257
Hey, I'm making a light-hearted comment to the situation. Wasn't that Darth's response to the 'newbie' in the attack thread?
Nope. Courtney was the OP. Darth was referring to someone condemning him for making a funny.

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2986069
That sounds more like the Marine Rifleman's Creed -
This is my rifle. There are many like it, but this one is mine. My rifle is my best friend. It is my life. I must master it as I master my life. My rifle, without me, is useless. Without my rifle, I am useless. I must fire my rifle true. I must shoot straighter than any enemy who is trying to kill me. I must shoot him before he shoots me. I will....
My rifle and myself know that what counts in this war is not the rounds we fire, the noise of our burst, nor the smoke we make. We know that it is the hits that count. We will hit...
My rifle is human, even as I, because it is my life. Thus, I will learn it as a brother. I will learn its weakness, its strength, its parts, its accessories, its sights and its barrel. I will keep my rifle clean and ready, even as I am clean and ready. We will become part of each other. We will...
Before God I swear this creed. My rifle and myself are the defenders of my country. We are the masters of our enemy. We are the saviors of my life. So be it, until victory is America's and there is no enemy, but Peace.
You just keep a tight clutch on that NRA card oscardeuce. Hope you never have to be in a situation where you have to 'pull the trigger'. If you are, better be prepared to follow through with it. Also be prepared for the circumstances after it's over. I know someone who killed an intruder who broke into his home. To this day, he still has nightmares about it.
Whats the NRA have to do with it? I am not a member and would be perfectly willing to shoot anybody that breaks into my house or threatens me. I'd sleep a lot better knowing I killed someone than knowing I had the chance to defend myself against a dirtbag and did nothing.

 

[socal57che]

For the record, I'm not an NRA member either.

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2986228
There you go making assumptions again. Have you figured out how to read yet? I know they are sold as semi-auto. However, an AR-15 and SKS CAN be modified to be full auto. I never said the one's this Alabama nut was using were full auto. I clearly stated that they never released that information. I did say there were plenty of online references on how to make either of these weapons full auto. Whether he did that or not, I don't know. I know it's cold in Houston right now, so the humidity can't be affecting your brain yet...
Sorry I didn't read your last sentence...

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2986248
What, we're supposed to be impressed because he carries a concealed weapon? Give me a break. If I want protection, I'll call a cop. That's their job. It's not the job of a 'free citizen' (or whatever he called himself), to protect someone just because they can legally carry a firearm. Maybe you need to read and understand the rules and guidelines for carrying a concealed weapon. Legally carrying a firearm doesn't give you the license or free reign to whip the thing out anytime you think someone is threatened. "While state laws vary, generally use of deadly force must be a matter of last resort, when life or limb is endangered, when escape or retreat are foreclosed, and warnings are given but ignored."

You should ask a cop what their purpose is some time. Very little of their time is spent preventing crime.
Stop or "BANG", I'll shoot. Warning given, law followed, scumbag dispatched.

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2986250
I fully understand the laws for converting a semi-auto to an auto. The automatic weapon issue came up in this thread relating the type of assault weapon this Alabama nut was using. So if he did convert it to auto, do you really think he cared whether it was illegal? HELLO? HE SHOT HIMSELF IN THE HEAD WHEN HIS KILLING SPREE WAS OVER!
So you are admitting gun laws don't work. See, we agree

 

[bionicarm]

Originally Posted by socal57che
http:///forum/post/2986262
I think you are failing to realize that dead people can't use the phone. The job of the cops would be to draw chalk outlines of your body and string up pretty yellow ribbons around the crime scene. We are all afforded the right to protect ourselves and some of us would protect others as well.
I have to admit that I would rather have oscardeuce by my side than you, if confronted by someone wishing to do me harm.
That would be a scary thought. I wouldn't stand anywhere in front of him. You make be the next person the cops draw the chalk line around...

 

[socal57che]

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2986307
That would be a scary thought. I wouldn't stand anywhere in front of him. You make be the next person the cops draw the chalk line around...
MAY be sounds far better than a WILL be. I like my odds with Oscar better, sorry.
BTW, what makes you think I wouldn't out draw Oscardeuce in the first place?
CCW isn't about every citizen carrying. It's about avoiding the incident because the criminal does not know who is and who is not armed.

 

[oscardeuce]

Originally Posted by socal57che
http:///forum/post/2986313
MAY be sounds far better than a WILL be. Il like my odds with Oscar better, sorry.
BTW, what makes you think I wouldn't out draw Oscardeuce in the first place?
CCW isn't about every citizen carrying. It's about avoiding the incident because the criminal does not know who is and who is not armed.
I got your back.
I'm about ready to revoke my membership in the NRA. I needed some help with my Dad's estate, and there were not helpful at all.

 

[bionicarm]

Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/2986286
So you are admitting gun laws don't work. See, we agree

Gun laws don't work? Depends on the situation. The authorities in Alabama have yet been able to trace back where he got the two assault weapons. Were they legally purchased then stolen? Were they 'black market' weapons? If you go back and read the 1994 Weapons Ban Act, neither the SKS or Bushmaster he used would've been considered banned by that Act. So he could've gone down to his local gun shop and bought those and used them. Now if you made it illegal to sell and distribute ANY of the 'assault weapons' listed in the '94 ban, then eventually it would be very difficult for the average citizen to get hold of one of these weapons and use them in an assault of this type. Meaning, at some point in time the inventory of these weapons, if they were in fact no longer produced because of the ban, would diminish. Hardened criminals could probably find ways to get them (overseas, Mexico, Canada, etc.), but due to the cost, it probably wouldn't be worth it. So if the gun laws included a total ban on SKS and Bushmasters, this guy may or may not have been able to get hold of them, and that would've been 200 less rounds he could've shot. But I imagine he would've found other weapons to use in their place. In the case of his rampage, I don't think him having or not having those weapons would've made any difference.

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by oscardeuce
http:///forum/post/2986320
I got your back.
I'm about ready to revoke my membership in the NRA. I needed some help with my Dad's estate, and there were not helpful at all.
I've decided they are pretty much useless.

 

[darthtang aw]

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2986256
go back a page grandpa:
Here you go again Darth, arguing just to argue. Try to think with your brain instead of your mouth. No, I wouldn't expect anyone to sit there and let someone physically harm another person. Like I said, you have to have JUST CAUSE to shoot someone. What I was referring to is if you walked into a scenario like this one in Alabama, and you had someone who had his back to you pointing a gun at someone else, how do you know what his intentions are? Is he the nut case, another CW licensed person, or even a plain-clothes cop? If the guy turns around and points the gun at you, then you have JUST CAUSE to shoot him, no matter who the guy is, unless he immediately announces his intentions (I'm a cop, don't shoot! I'm an armed citizen trying to defend myself, don't shoot!)
What's comical is your thinking that I'm against self protection. I own a 9mm, keep it under the bed. It's unloaded, and the magazine is located somewhere else easily accessible to me or my wife. I've taught her how to use the gun, and she knows what to do if the situation would arise. If an intruder were to break into my home, I'd have no qualms whatsoever to shoot the individual if I felt my life, or my families life, was being threatened. But I don't go into it with the attitude of, "BANG, BANG. Halt! Who goes there?" (You know shoot first, ask questions later). I guess I have a little more respect for human life than you do.

Now I have lack of respect. The situation is a severly armed guy (how many guns did the alabama scenario criminal have on him). He is shooting people and his back is to me. You said we don't have justification to shoot him. Even if he is just threatening with the gun we don't.
So let me rephrase my question. a guy on the street points a gun at your wife with his backed to you. At which point is it ok for you to shoot him? Remember, you don't know if this is a law abiding citizen or a "plain clothes cop".
A plain clothes cop must identify himself as an officer when his gun is drawn...end of that dumb debate.