Yet another reason to ban assault weapons

stdreb27

stdreb27

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Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2984936
Why do you always have this liberal/conservative argument? Why is everything you don't agree with a 'liberal issue' or a 'liberal problem'? Seems like in this scenario, you're making a lot of assumptions. Do you actually know Alabama law regarding shooting someone? You live in Houston, you yourself said in some other gun debate you couldn't just 'blow someone away' without just cause. Your logic makes no sense. Take about nauseating.
So shooting a guy some a gun who is blowing people away isn't just cause? Self defense?
No jury in america would convict a shooter of that. No logical DA would have the guts to even bring it infront of a grand jury (you do know what that is right?).
Don't try to redefine the people who want to disregard the constitution, and take away guns, as anything but what they are liberals.
So when I see a dog I know it is a dog, when I see a horrible argument for taking away guns from law biding citizens, or when I see a law proposed that infringes on the constitution, I know a liberal wrote it. Or at least cooked up the idea...
 
darthtang aw

darthtang aw

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Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2984936
You could be one of the shooters as far as they know. Why do you think you have the legal right to shoot someone if they are not threatening your life directly? If this guy had his back to you shooting at someone else, and you shot him dead in the back, you think you have the right to do this? And it's hilarious that you think that you could shoot this guy, put your gun back in your holster, then stand there and say "I dunno" when the cops asked what happened. Think maybe they'd do some ballistic reports to see what bullet killed the guy? You got proof you shot the guy in self defense? Sorry, but I've seen this scenario come up before on the news, and the 'good guy' got prosecuted for murder. He didn't get some heroes medal or pat on the back. What you call liberal minded, I call common sense.

So if a guy, with a gun had his back to you and was shooting your parents you don't think you have the right to shoot him? You think you should wait for the police and let the criminal continue shooting your parents?
Let's change it up, he is stabbing your mom, his back is to you, do you have the right at that point to kill him? How is this scenario different than the guy having a gun shooting people in the street?
Also you claim you have seen the "hero" get prosecuted on the news, show me a case where the "hero" served major time for killing a criminal that was killing or threatening to kill someone. Just one story in the past 8 years.
 
jp30338

jp30338

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/2984999
So if a guy, with a gun had his back to you and was shooting your parents you don't think you have the right to shoot him? You think you should wait for the police and let the criminal continue shooting your parents?
Let's change it up, he is stabbing your mom, his back is to you, do you have the right at that point to kill him? How is this scenario different than the guy having a gun shooting people in the street?
Also you claim you have seen the "hero" get prosecuted on the news, show me a case where the "hero" served major time for killing a criminal that was killing or threatening to kill someone. Just one story in the past 8 years.
when is the last time you have even heard of an average citizen trying to be the "hero" by pulling out his gun and killing a SUSPECT. I sure can't b/c most people are not stupid enough to do it or know what the consequences are. I CHALLENGE you to look up a law still in effect today, where it states that a armed citizen can kill a SUSPECT without any recourse, WITHOUT claiming self-defense.
Remeber everyone is innocent until proven guilty even while in the act of committing a crime.
 
aquaknight

aquaknight

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Originally Posted by jp30338
http:///forum/post/2985013
when is the last time you have even heard of an average citizen trying to be the "hero" by pulling out his gun and killing a SUSPECT. I sure can't b/c most people are not stupid enough to do it or know what the consequences are. I CHALLENGE you to look up a law still in effect today, where it states that a armed citizen can kill a SUSPECT without any recourse, WITHOUT claiming self-defense.
Remeber everyone is innocent until proven guilty even while in the act of committing a crime.
Using that logic, wouldn't the person who shot/killed the SUSPECT still be innocent as well?
 
jp30338

jp30338

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Originally Posted by AquaKnight
http:///forum/post/2985027
Using that logic, wouldn't the person who shot/killed the SUSPECT still be innocent as well?

Of course, that is what the court system is for. However, that person would still get locked up guaranteed.
 
bionicarm

bionicarm

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Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2984944
I guess all police officers are dumb

While we are making up what if senarios.
What if we have aborted the person who was going to cure aids, or discover how to make nerves regenerate? We should stop aborting babies too. IT is the same logic.
Find me a situation where that happened. And I'll find you 10 times where the police were able to properly identify who was the "good guy." You watch too much tv.
Give me a break. You live in some real large fantasy world. You're actually going to sit there and say that in every scenario where there's multiple individuals with guns drawn in a shooting spree like this one in Alabama, the cops are gonna know who the good guy is? Are you for real? How exactly do they know? What's the 'tell sign'? Please oh please tell me and every police officer in this country how they can ascertain this by just looking at two or three people holding guns drawn. Talk about someone who watches too much TV.
You need to open your horizons and read the newspaper more often. Go talk to some REAL police officers and ask them how they can tell.
Now you bring a 'what if?" about abortion to the debate? What has that got to do with this? What if a giant meteor hit us tomorrow? Should we stop worrying about ANYTHING because it MIGHT happen? Listening to your responses makes me glad I have a liberal way of thought. If I thought like you, I'd blow MY head off.
 
darthtang aw

darthtang aw

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Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2985040
Give me a break. You live in some real large fantasy world. You're actually going to sit there and say that in every scenario where there's multiple individuals with guns drawn in a shooting spree like this one in Alabama, the cops are gonna know who the good guy is? Are you for real? How exactly do they know? What's the 'tell sign'? Please oh please tell me and every police officer in this country how they can ascertain this by just looking at two or three people holding guns drawn. Talk about someone who watches too much TV.
You need to open your horizons and read the newspaper more often. Go talk to some REAL police officers and ask them how they can tell.
Now you bring a 'what if?" about abortion to the debate? What has that got to do with this? What if a giant meteor hit us tomorrow? Should we stop worrying about ANYTHING because it MIGHT happen? Listening to your responses makes me glad I have a liberal way of thought. If I thought like you, I'd blow MY head off.
I will ask again.
So if a guy, with a gun had his back to you and was shooting your parents you don't think you have the right to shoot him? You think you should wait for the police and let the criminal continue shooting your parents?
Let's change it up, he is stabbing your mom, his back is to you, do you have the right at that point to kill him? How is this scenario different than the guy having a gun shooting people in the street?
 
darthtang aw

darthtang aw

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Originally Posted by jp30338
http:///forum/post/2985013
when is the last time you have even heard of an average citizen trying to be the "hero" by pulling out his gun and killing a SUSPECT. I sure can't b/c most people are not stupid enough to do it or know what the consequences are. I CHALLENGE you to look up a law still in effect today, where it states that a armed citizen can kill a SUSPECT without any recourse, WITHOUT claiming self-defense.
Remeber everyone is innocent until proven guilty even while in the act of committing a crime.
Bionicarm is the one claiming to see stories and news about citizen's "playing hero". Not me...He says it happens. Argue with him.
 
darthtang aw

darthtang aw

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Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2985040
Now you bring a 'what if?" about abortion to the debate? What has that got to do with this? What if a giant meteor hit us tomorrow? Should we stop worrying about ANYTHING because it MIGHT happen? Listening to your responses makes me glad I have a liberal way of thought. If I thought like you, I'd blow MY head off.

His what if's can actually change the situation. Your meteor what if can not be altered. In the previous two examples (abortion and conceal carry) this gave the people options to do or not to do. Your meteor what if, gives no options.
 
1journeyman

1journeyman

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Originally Posted by jp30338
http:///forum/post/2984875
The automatic gun was used in the Alabama killings the other day. The police said over 200 rounds were fired! In Germany, the kid used a handgun.
If an armed citizen were to shoot the suspect, that citizen would end up in jail for murder, unless the suspect attempted to shoot that citizen. Imagine if every armed citizen drew their guns out everytime this happens, how would the AUTHORITIES know who the bad guy/girl is? Talk about a mess!
Two points...
First; over 200 rounds in over an hour long shooting spree? What was he using, an "automatic" muzzle loader?
Second; Talk about a mess??? What was what took place, a mess, right?
 
1journeyman

1journeyman

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Originally Posted by jp30338
http:///forum/post/2985013
when is the last time you have even heard of an average citizen trying to be the "hero" by pulling out his gun and killing a SUSPECT. I sure can't b/c most people are not stupid enough to do it or know what the consequences are. I CHALLENGE you to look up a law still in effect today, where it states that a armed citizen can kill a SUSPECT without any recourse, WITHOUT claiming self-defense.
Remeber everyone is innocent until proven guilty even while in the act of committing a crime.
Look up the "Castle" Law in Texas...
If everyone was innocent while caught committing a crime, police would never be justified in using deadly force, would they?
 
1journeyman

1journeyman

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Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2985040
.. You're actually going to sit there and say that in every scenario where there's multiple individuals with guns drawn in a shooting spree like this one in Alabama, the cops are gonna know who the good guy is? ...
If the police are at the scene, the gun owners wouldn't have a reason to draw their weapons...
Gun Owners use their guns when the police aren't at the scene. By the time the police get there, their aren't 50 guns drawn.
 
bionicarm

bionicarm

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Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2985104
If the police are at the scene, the gun owners wouldn't have a reason to draw their weapons...
Gun Owners use their guns when the police aren't at the scene. By the time the police get there, their aren't 50 guns drawn.
What are you talking about? Is this how all conservative-minded people think (using stdreb's logic)? He saying that IF the cops were there, they would know who the 'good guy' is, and who the 'bad guy' was. I'm saying that's total BS.
If you shoot someone, whatever the scenario, you have to show just cause you were doing it in self defense. Just because you have the right to carry a concealed weapon, doesn't give you the right to play cop. I have a CWP, I walk up to you, blow your head off. Do the cops have the right to arrest me? I say you threatened my life. You may or may not have a weapon in your possession. Can they still arrest me?
Back to the Alabama scenario. I have a CWP, I see a guy with a gun drawn aiming at someone. I hear there's been a guy shooting people randomly. I pull my weapon and shoot this guy in the head. Did I shoot the maniac, or some other innocent person who also has a CWP? Would you be able to tell who the 'good guy' and the 'bad guy' is in this scenario?
 
1journeyman

1journeyman

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Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2985125
What are you talking about? Is this how all conservative-minded people think (using stdreb's logic)? He saying that IF the cops were there, they would know who the 'good guy' is, and who the 'bad guy' was. I'm saying that's total BS.
If you shoot someone, whatever the scenario, you have to show just cause you were doing it in self defense. Just because you have the right to carry a concealed weapon, doesn't give you the right to play cop. I have a CWP, I walk up to you, blow your head off. Do the cops have the right to arrest me? I say you threatened my life. You may or may not have a weapon in your possession. Can they still arrest me?
Back to the Alabama scenario. I have a CWP, I see a guy with a gun drawn aiming at someone. I hear there's been a guy shooting people randomly. I pull my weapon and shoot this guy in the head. Did I shoot the maniac, or some other innocent person who also has a CWP? Would you be able to tell who the 'good guy' and the 'bad guy' is in this scenario?
Wow... ok Bionic, let me explain this...
Bad Guy with a gun, let's call him "Bad Guy" starts walking down the street randomly shooting people.
Good Guy with gun, let's call him "Good Guy" sees Bad Guy shooting people.
Now, here are the possible scenarios...
1. Good Guy looks around and sees 15 police cars descending on Bad Guy. Good Guy watches as Bad Guy is apprehended or killed.
2. Good Guy looks around and sees no police. He does nothing and Bad Guy continues his killing spree.
3. Good Guy looks around and sees no police. He finds cover, draws his sidearm, and kills Bad Guy.
The Bad Guy, in every situation, is going to continue to kill people until he is stopped. Why is it difficult to understand having armed citizens to fill the gap of police coverage is not a bad thing?
 
aquaknight

aquaknight

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Originally Posted by jp30338
http:///forum/post/2985134
The key word being "you", not someone else. Which equates to self-defense, they have something like that here in GA I think.
No. Using journey's example, if someone's walking down the street, shooting people, and capped 3 people in front of me, you don't my life's in danger? I'm probably not going to be next? Do I have to actually wait for him to point the gun at me?
I just don't get how you and bionic see innocent people's lives as so expendable, but yet god forbid a murder be killed.....
 
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