Originally Posted by
BeanAnimal
http:///forum/post/2611698
Jaw dropping... You still don't understand. This entire exchange has been a waste becuase you can't see past your own malformed opinions. For every point that is brought up you twist it a bit and add an example or tangent to fit your opinion. Instead of winning on the merits of your position, you change the subject.
Prevention is in the cure? Good grief.
Yes, DOC, you answer fact with opinion. You argue by spinning like a politician, it is intellectually dishonest and shows your utter lack of understanding. I guess if you can't win an arguement, twist the topic so that it appears you did? Counter with useless points to make it appear like you have have a greater knowledge?
Do I have to quote your initial posts in this thread to remind you we are talking about YOUR COMMENTS and NOT YOUR FISH TANK?
As for the Herbie overflow and my understanding of how it works. Get a grip, go read the original thread. I explained (and defended) his design to the uninformed. That included explaining the MUST HAVE 2nd standpipe for EMERGENCY OVERFLOW. I happened to improve upon the design to fit my needs and those of others. My setup handles more flow and does so safely and silently with less chance of it falling out of adjustment. It has 3 seperate safety features that allow it to work in a fail-safe manner. There are several key differences, but the adjustment bandwidth and safety are the ones that stand out.
Your entire post is full of twisted nonsense and I just don't have the energy to counter every point AGAIN. You do not appear to be able to stay on the actual topic and continue to fold in useless arguements. Notice, I keep saying the same thing but your counters keep evolving and becoming more disconnected to the actual subject? You actually now brought up the "how much flow does vinnie really need". Good grief, lets fold that in too. What is the PROPER flow rate through a sump? What is wasteful and what is useful?
NO Doc, they are not"just submerged dursos". To even make that arguement shows once again that you are utterly clueless with regard to the function, failure modes and operating parameters of these overflows (any of them).
A durso works by allowing AIR to enter the standpipe. Depending on the flow, the drop (negative head) and the diameter of the pipe, the air will either be noisy or quiet. More air means less overall flow, less air means more flow but the a greater chance of turbulance because the air can start to form pockets in the pipe. You see Doc, the Durso (or Stockman) works somewhere between laminar open channel flow and laminar full siphon, usually a turbulant partial siphon. They are VERY prone to changes in barometric pressure, water parameters, slime coats and other factors. For ANY given DURSO or STOCKMAN the "quiet" mode of operation is function of the air/water ratio as it relates to the length and diamter of the standpipe. I suppose you will want to argue about them (the durso and stockmans also).
So yes DOC, Stockmans and Durso can be quiet. The entire reason that HERBIE, MYSELF and others designed overflows was because they ARE TOO DEPENDENT ON TOO MANY VARIALES. At high flow rates or over long drops they can be very problematic.
To your next irrelevant comment: Nobody said that Vinni had to run 3000 GPH. Why do people like you INSIST on debating by confusing the topic with stuff like this. Who gives a damn what size return pump Vinni plans on using. You made Uninfomred comments in the opening of this thread and continue to flounder around trying to justify them. This design (and the Herbie design) are not dependent on a high flow system. Furthermore they can be SCALED DOWN to fit low flow systems. One could easily use 1/2" or 3/4" standpipes on a low flow system.
Why not increase the drain size and forgio the open channel pipe? Because the OPEN CHANNEL pipe is what provides the VERY WIDE operating bandwidth. That has been covered here, my thread and on my website. This is one of the key benefits compared to the HERBIE setup. Again DOC, if you took your foot out of your mouth long enough to breath, you would see the difference.
Open your eyes DOC, you can't always be the sharpest pencil in the pack. Your understanding of this subject is only enough to get you in over your head. All of the twisting and spinning will not change the reality. You may want to consider the difference between OPINION and FACT before entering another debate like this.
One of my wifes favorite saying is:
People accuse others of doing the things they themselves are guilty of. Look at your posts here.
I'm done, you can insult me all you want.
Venni, can you draw something up showing your hole placement? I'm not completly sure I understand what you wanting.
