27 dead at Connecticut Elementary School

[bionicarm]

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///t/393788/27-dead-at-connecticut-elementary-school/40#post_3504206
I read a news story also today about a similr Incident in china. A man killed and injured over thirty school children at a school. He did it with a knife. The man was mentally unstable as well. There in lies the issue.
Sounds like someone is perusing his NRA web sites again. Go research the details of that story. I heard it was 13 in some shopping area. Please tell me how anyone could manage to kill 30 people with a knife in one instance. Even an invalid could disarm a person with a knife. You start picking up and throwing every large and hard big item around, sooner or later the guy will go down.

 

[bionicarm]

This one looks very familiar to the one I saw at the gun show...
http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-Full-Auto-Volume-1-Ar-15-Modification-Manuel-/290813141293?pt=US_Nonfiction_Book&hash=item43b5d0612d
A full-auto bolt carrier can't be milled?
http://www.brownells.com/rifle-parts/bolt-parts/bolt-carrier-parts/bolt-carriers/bolt-carrier-m16-sku231000210-22427-48606.aspx?utm_medium=shoppingengine&utm_source=shopping&mc_id=17000&gdftrk=gdfV21820_a_7c187_a_7c1021_a_7c231000210_d_231000210_d_10940
Here's a DIAS sysytem for full auto operation:
http://www.quarterbore.com/nfa/dias.html
http://www.quarterbore.com/nfa/lightninglink.html

 

[darthtang aw]

This one looks very familiar to the one I saw at the gun show...
http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-Full-Auto-Volume-1-Ar-15-Modification-Manuel-/290813141293?pt=US_Nonfiction_Book&hash=item43b5d0612d
A full-auto bolt carrier can't be milled?
http://www.brownells.com/rifle-parts/bolt-parts/bolt-carrier-parts/bolt-carriers/bolt-carrier-m16-sku231000210-22427-48606.aspx?utm_medium=shoppingengine&utm_source=shopping&mc_id=17000&gdftrk=gdfV21820_a_7c187_a_7c1021_a_7c231000210_d_231000210_d_10940
Here's a DIAS sysytem for full auto operation:
http://www.quarterbore.com/nfa/dias.html
http://www.quarterbore.com/nfa/lightninglink.html
Tell you what. prove me wrong that anyone can do this. If anyone can do it, you should be able to...prove it.

 

[darthtang aw]

Sounds like someone is perusing his NRA web sites again.  Go research the details of that story.  I heard it was 13 in some shopping area.  Please tell me how anyone could manage to kill 30 people with a knife in one instance.  Even an invalid could disarm a person with a knife.  You start picking up and throwing every large and hard big item around, sooner or later the guy will go down.  
Story has been updated.
http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/14/world/asia/china-knife-attack/index.html
And here is your knife related massacres in 2010 that occurred in china.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_attacks_in_China_(2010–2011)

 

[reefraff]

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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///t/393788/27-dead-at-connecticut-elementary-school/40#post_3504218
I could care less if you believe it or not. Maybe you weren't looking for it? Would you like me to find you a copy online? I guess you also never saw an AR-15 sitting on a fancy stand with these very impressive optics and a gray-colored cylinder on the end of the barrel, with the dealer having this nice sign with the word SILENCER in big bold capital words either. Please provide me your expert opinion on why any gun purchaser would need this device. Shoot those pesky varmits in their backyard without alarming the neighbors? I'm SURE you can come up with a rational answer for this one.
When was the last time you heard of a crime committed with a silenced gun? I think it would be pretty cool for hunting but I ain't dropping a couple hundred for the tax stamp to own one.

 

[reefraff]

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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///t/393788/27-dead-at-connecticut-elementary-school/60#post_3504222
Sounds like someone is perusing his NRA web sites again. Go research the details of that story. I heard it was 13 in some shopping area. Please tell me how anyone could manage to kill 30 people with a knife in one instance. Even an invalid could disarm a person with a knife. You start picking up and throwing every large and hard big item around, sooner or later the guy will go down.
I can tell you how. Nobody had a gun to shoot the guy with a knife.

 

[reefraff]

Quote:
Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///t/393788/27-dead-at-connecticut-elementary-school/60#post_3504223
This one looks very familiar to the one I saw at the gun show...
http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-Full-Auto-Volume-1-Ar-15-Modification-Manuel-/290813141293?pt=US_Nonfiction_Book&hash=item43b5d0612d
A full-auto bolt carrier can't be milled?
LOL! Yeah, with a full machine shop. Now try to buy one without going through the proper channels.
http://www.brownells.com/rifle-parts/bolt-parts/bolt-carrier-parts/bolt-carriers/bolt-carrier-m16-sku231000210-22427-48606.aspx?utm_medium=shoppingengine&utm_source=shopping&mc_id=17000&gdftrk=gdfV21820_a_7c187_a_7c1021_a_7c231000210_d_231000210_d_10940
Here's a DIAS sysytem for full auto operation:
http://www.quarterbore.com/nfa/dias.html
http://www.quarterbore.com/nfa/lightninglink.html

 

[bionicarm]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///t/393788/27-dead-at-connecticut-elementary-school/60#post_3504230
Tell you what. prove me wrong that anyone can do this. If anyone can do it, you should be able to...prove it.
LOL. Darth, just go search YouTube. there's probably at least 10 different videos showing AR-15's being modified for full auto, or AR's that have been modified and shown how it was done. You're a big boy. Search for yourself.

 

[bionicarm]

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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///t/393788/27-dead-at-connecticut-elementary-school/60#post_3504235
There's bolt carriers "out there" if you want to purchase them. As far as milling your own, ever watch that reality show Sons Of Guns? Machine shops are a dime a dozen. Just would have the find the one willing to risk making them. The one link I provided shown an online gun seller that stated they make their own. Of course they'd never build one made for full auto operation.

 

[bionicarm]

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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///t/393788/27-dead-at-connecticut-elementary-school/60#post_3504233
I can tell you how. Nobody had a gun to shoot the guy with a knife.
No, you had a bunch or ignorant people or scared rabbits that didn't understand the simple concept that large heavy items throw directly at the knife wielder would eith knock the guy down, knock the guy out, or knock the knofe out of his hand. If you were in that exact same scenario, would you just stand there and let the guy stick you. Good chance you could simply outrun the guy. Alot easier to outrun and dodge a guy chasing you with a knife, than it would trying to run away from a guy with a 9mm in his hands capable of nailing you from at least 25 yards away.

 

[darthtang aw]

No, you had a bunch or ignorant people or scared rabbits that didn't understand the simple concept that large heavy items throw directly at the knife wielder would eith knock the guy down, knock the guy out, or knock the knofe out of his hand.  If you were in that exact same scenario, would you just stand there and let the guy stick you.  Good chance you could simply outrun the guy.  Alot easier to outrun and dodge a guy chasing you with a knife, than it would trying to run away from a guy with a 9mm in his hands capable of nailing you from at least 25 yards away.
Yeah, That works well when it is elementary school age kids....

 

[bionicarm]

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///t/393788/27-dead-at-connecticut-elementary-school/60#post_3504244
Yeah, That works well when it is elementary school age kids....
So adult administrators and teachers would be incapable of grabbing trash cans, coat racks, computers, or any other article they have in their classrooms. Shoot, even a 5th grader could grab a rock or some "exhibit" in the classroom and do some major damage to anyone he threw it at.

 

[reefraff]

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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///t/393788/27-dead-at-connecticut-elementary-school/60#post_3504243
No, you had a bunch or ignorant people or scared rabbits that didn't understand the simple concept that large heavy items throw directly at the knife wielder would eith knock the guy down, knock the guy out, or knock the knofe out of his hand. If you were in that exact same scenario, would you just stand there and let the guy stick you. Good chance you could simply outrun the guy. Alot easier to outrun and dodge a guy chasing you with a knife, than it would trying to run away from a guy with a 9mm in his hands capable of nailing you from at least 25 yards away.
LOL! Ain't no chance I'd outrun the guy. I guess you've never seen a good knife fighter. You go ahead and try to bash one in the head with a rock.

 

[reefraff]

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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///t/393788/27-dead-at-connecticut-elementary-school/60#post_3504241
There's bolt carriers "out there" if you want to purchase them. As far as milling your own, ever watch that reality show Sons Of Guns? Machine shops are a dime a dozen. Just would have the find the one willing to risk making them. The one link I provided shown an online gun seller that stated they make their own. Of course they'd never build one made for full auto operation.

I guess we can add the price of machining equipment to the list of things you know nothing about LOL! A friend has been in the business since his Navy days in the 1970's. Just the tools to set up such a machine cost an arm and a leg.

 

[bionicarm]

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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///t/393788/27-dead-at-connecticut-elementary-school/60#post_3504251
I guess we can add the price of machining equipment to the list of things you know nothing about LOL! A friend has been in the business since his Navy days in the 1970's. Just the tools to set up such a machine cost an arm and a leg.
reef. Another one that doesn't get it. Who says you have to setup your own machine shop to build ONE bolt carrier for your personal AR-15. From what I've read, you don't even need to do that. Some people are using M16 carrier's in the AR's, and they work just fine in full-auto mode. You keep forgetting, people who'd want to do this mod aren't neccessarily what you were term as "law abiding responsible gun owners". Pretty much the same people who'd want a silencer on the end of their barrel.

 

[bionicarm]

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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///t/393788/27-dead-at-connecticut-elementary-school/60#post_3504249
LOL! Ain't no chance I'd outrun the guy. I guess you've never seen a good knife fighter. You go ahead and try to bash one in the head with a rock.
So now this assailant in China is some ninja warrior or knife marksman that throws knives at the woman spinning on the wheel? LMFAO. The guy was just running around hacking at people. I guarantee you I'd have been inventive enough to pick up something to protect myself. Would I try doing that against some maniac spewing bullets out of a semi-auto pistol? Sure thing. I'M RAMBO!

 

[crimzy]

How about another question... if the teachers had training and carried concealed weapons would that make schools safer? It could have prevented this incident but then you have to worry about unstable teachers....
To the argument that this is really a mental health issue... I haven't read anywhere that the kid was suffering from a disease of the mind. There are people who commit evil, atrocious acts without the excuse of insanity to hide behind.
The unfortunate truth is that these pieces of garbage are created by us... by society. We sensationalize these events and the next a-hole wants to achieve equal or greater infamy than the last. We all know the name of the shooters but rarely do we remember the victims names. If we could stop turning these people into notorious legends then maybe they'd go back to just offing themselves in their basements.

 

[crimzy]

And maybe the real issue here isn't gun control or mental illness but is really security in schools. I have a kindergartener and a first grader and their school isn't locked during the day. A stranger can just walk in and is confronted only with a sign that strangers should report to the office. This is my main concern as a parent.

 

[snakeblitz33]

How much of our freedoms are we willing to give up to remain free?
TSA at airports - next is security guards and metal detectors in all schools?
I don't know about you, but I feel like that type of "protection" for our children does not cultivate an active learning environment. It breeds fear and insecurity.

 

[crimzy]

How much of our freedoms are we willing to give up to remain free?
TSA at airports - next is security guards and metal detectors in all schools? 
I don't know about you, but I feel like that type of "protection" for our children does not cultivate an active learning environment. It breeds fear and insecurity.
You're not wrong here but I can't protect my kids when they go to school. There has to be some security if I'm entrusting the most important people to the school. Isn't it negligent of the school to be so lax that they have nothing in place to protect our kids?