2Quills, 120G Re-build thread.

2quills

2quills

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Originally Posted by Sparty059 http:///t/378912/2quills-120g-re-build-thread/560#post_3439610
Corey,
You never seize to amaze! Just looked through the rest of the thread (about 5 months that I have missed since being off the forum) and I'll tell you what... you can really see the amount of dedication and love you put into this tank. Looking through this just gets me more and more eager to start back up on the tank that I left behind. First thing's first, I need to built a sump/refugium just like yours. Then, I have to make sure I have the bad boy visible. Your work shouldn't be hidden behind any doors. Again, just wanted to stop by and say I'm still following along, and man... my jaw has dropped. Keep up the good work.
Glad to see ya still around Spartan. How's the west coast treatin ya?
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Originally Posted by Al&Burke http:///t/378912/2quills-120g-re-build-thread/560#post_3441662
Looks fantastic Corey - something like a TV holder for the lights - I am sure you could make one out of acrylic.
Thanks, Bud. Excactly! Something like a TV mount for the panels. They'll be small, probably 7" x 7" panels. One on each side. I was looking at the articulating swing arms for televisions but everything is too large that I saw. Plus the cost of those arms is nothing to scoff at by any means. I'm thinking something along the lines but perhaps a little more rudimentary in concept. All I'm really looking for is to have the mount Pan (tilt) up and down, then i'd like it to be able to slide up or down with at least 3" of travle, then last I want the whole arm to be able to either slide or lift strait back so I can pin them or easily lock them out of my way. Still hashing out details.
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Originally Posted by Gemmy http:///t/378912/2quills-120g-re-build-thread/560#post_3441678
Looks awesome!
Gratitude!
 
sweatervest13

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I like the scrubber, but I love the acrylic shield. I am having a major problem on my scrubber splashing. So I will be doing some sort of shield to fix it like you did.
I think the LED's would be awesome on the scrubber. Can't wait so see it running.
 
cipher43

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what about using something like this
http://www.lowes.com/pd_352725-77383-17783-003_0__?productId=3394400&Ntt=led+lights&pl=1&currentURL=%2Fpl__0__s%3FNtt%3Dled%2Blights%26page%3D9&facetInfo=
or what i think would be better would be these two together
this
http://www.lowes.com/pd_338802-75774-LA19DM/LED_0__?productId=3341246&Ntt=led+lights&pl=1&currentURL=%2Fpl__0__s%3FNtt%3Dled%2Blights%26page%3D1&facetInfo=
this
http://www.lowes.com/pd_352216-75774-LA19DM/800/LED_0__?productId=3408608&Ntt=led+lights&pl=1&currentURL=%2Fpl__0__s%3FNtt%3Dled%2Blights%26page%3D1&facetInfo=
or this
http://www.lowes.com/pd_98941-3-78776_0__?productId=3385464&Ntt=led+lights&pl=1&currentURL=%2Fpl__0__s%3FNtt%3Dled%2Blights&facetInfo=
with one of these
http://www.homedepot.com/Lighting-Fans-Indoor-Lighting-Lamps-Shades-Desk-Lamps/h_d1/N-5yc1vZbvmn/R-202022452/h_d2/ProductDisplay?langId=-1&storeId=10051&catalogId=10053
How many watts would you need for a scrubber anyways?
 
2quills

2quills

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Originally Posted by acrylic51 http:///t/378912/2quills-120g-re-build-thread/580#post_3441745
Looks good Corey!!!!
Thanks, Shawn. After a lot of tweaking I find that feeding the scrubber from both sides by spliting the pump with valves on each side seems to give you the best control over getting even flow/coverage across the screen.
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Originally Posted by sweatervest13 http:///t/378912/2quills-120g-re-build-thread/580#post_3441756
I like the scrubber, but I love the acrylic shield. I am having a major problem on my scrubber splashing. So I will be doing some sort of shield to fix it like you did.
I think the LED's would be awesome on the scrubber. Can't wait so see it running.
Yeah after a couple of test runs initially I realized that there was going to be no way that I was not going to have some type of splash shield for the scrubber. I could just see salt creep going everywhere.
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Originally Posted by Cipher43 http:///t/378912/2quills-120g-re-build-thread/580#post_3441766
what about using something like this
http://www.lowes.com/pd_352725-77383-17783-003_0__?productId=3394400&Ntt=led+lights&pl=1&currentURL=%2Fpl__0__s%3FNtt%3Dled%2Blights%26page%3D9&facetInfo=
or what i think would be better would be these two together
this
http://www.lowes.com/pd_338802-75774-LA19DM/LED_0__?productId=3341246&Ntt=led+lights&pl=1&currentURL=%2Fpl__0__s%3FNtt%3Dled%2Blights%26page%3D1&facetInfo=
this
http://www.lowes.com/pd_352216-75774-LA19DM/800/LED_0__?productId=3408608&Ntt=led+lights&pl=1&currentURL=%2Fpl__0__s%3FNtt%3Dled%2Blights%26page%3D1&facetInfo=
or this
http://www.lowes.com/pd_98941-3-78776_0__?productId=3385464&Ntt=led+lights&pl=1&currentURL=%2Fpl__0__s%3FNtt%3Dled%2Blights&facetInfo=
with one of these

http://www.homedepot.com/Lighting-Fans-Indoor-Lighting-Lamps-Shades-Desk-Lamps/h_d1/N-5yc1vZbvmn/R-202022452/h_d2/ProductDisplay?langId=-1&storeId=10051&catalogId=10053
How many watts would you need for a scrubber anyways?
I really wouldn't use any of those. None are near powerfull enough for what I'm looking to do. The 3000k ones would be your best best, but again they aren't very powerful and the dome (diffusors) that they have on some of those bulbs probably cuts a good chunk of efficiency out of the equasion. I think a better route would be to look for the Par 38 bulbs that's utilizing higher power leds. Some of them can be found and ordered with all warm white emitters. Alot of guys now are just starting to use grow light led bulbs. The mostly all red spectrum does really well with algae.
 
2quills

2quills

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Ok guys, I did it again. I'm not happy with the current drainage set up on the tank. So I've ripped out the original overflows and I'm going to make some new ones. But that's not my problem. The problem is the noise from the drains. They're way too loud so I want to make some modifications. I have an idea for a dual siphon drain / fail safe set up. A slight modification to the bean animal design but similar in concept. But this requires modifications to the tank. What I'd like to do is drill two more holes, both being to incorporate 3/4" bulkheads so that I can run two full siphon drains and keep my existing drains as open channel. One to catch the excess that the siphons don't pick up and the other one being the emergency drain. Does anybody see any reason why I should be able to drill two more holes in the back of the tank. Or do I have enough already? I don't want to weaken the tanks structural strength too much.

btw, I got the stuff for my scrubber lights ordered. Things should be arriving over the next week or two. Updates to come...
 
acrylic51

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You will be perfectly fine with 2 more holes. Won't weaken the tank..... Curious though as to the location of the (2) proposed added holes.......I can't recall what size are the 2 holes already in the tank...... I'm curious if you'll have issues with running 3/4" lines. I know in the thread over on RC 1" was how the system was designed around due to the carrying capacity of the 1" lines.....I do know people have had issues with going smaller, but you also mentioned added tweaks to the system/design......Is it possible the issue with the noise being to much air vs water in the drain lines
The siphon line honestly based off of Beans calculations should be more than enough to handle the flow your putting through the sump.
How far submerged are the lines into the sump.....
Were you running Beans setup or a modified version........
 
2quills

2quills

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Originally Posted by acrylic51 http:///t/378912/2quills-120g-re-build-thread/580#post_3446700
You will be perfectly fine with 2 more holes. Won't weaken the tank..... Curious though as to the location of the (2) proposed added holes.......I can't recall what size are the 2 holes already in the tank...... I'm curious if you'll have issues with running 3/4" lines. I know in the thread over on RC 1" was how the system was designed around due to the carrying capacity of the 1" lines.....I do know people have had issues with going smaller, but you also mentioned added tweaks to the system/design......Is it possible the issue with the noise being to much air vs water in the drain lines
The siphon line honestly based off of Beans calculations should be more than enough to handle the flow your putting through the sump.
How far submerged are the lines into the sump.....
Were you running Beans setup or a modified version........
I'm wanting to make the new holes, one next to each one of the existing drains. Probably on the inner side of the bulkheads closer to the center of the tank. I've seen folks running the bean set up with different size plumbing and it still works the same way. What I'm wanting to do is essentially the same thing.
Existing drains are 1.5". Since I've already drilled the tank I couldn't easily go back and change it to the more silent bean animal set up. So I figured two 3/4" drains would give me the same or a little more capacity than a single 1" siphon drain. Plus it makes it easy to keep things symmetrical when it comes to running the plumbing. I'm thinking the two siphon drains will give me good control over adjusting the siphon in relation to the open channel line so that the siphons aren't draining too fast. Either way, if the siphons fail then each of the 1.5" lines is more than enough to handle all of the flow that I'm going to be pushing. Should be pretty fail safe, I think? Overflows will be protected from livestock getting trapped in them.
 
al&burke

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Hey Corey - Happy New Year - I set up a fuzzy dwarf tank 35 gallons with a 25 gallon sump. I drilled a single drain and plumbed it 1-1/2 al the way to the sump. It is silent as silent can be - I am running it at about 200 GPH - the only thing I used a ribbed hose that does make a bit of noise. I am begininng to think that larger is better - just my 2 cents buddy.
 
2quills

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Originally Posted by Al&Burke http:///t/378912/2quills-120g-re-build-thread/580#post_3446723
Hey Corey - Happy New Year - I set up a fuzzy dwarf tank 35 gallons with a 25 gallon sump. I drilled a single drain and plumbed it 1-1/2 al the way to the sump. It is silent as silent can be - I am running it at about 200 GPH - the only thing I used a ribbed hose that does make a bit of noise. I am begininng to think that larger is better - just my 2 cents buddy.
Thanks, Al. Happy New Year!
Yep if I turn the flow down then the drains get pretty quiet. But the problem for me seems to be not enough flow for what I'm after if I do that. I'm looking for roughly 700gph or so.
These two 3/4" lines that I'm proposing will handle more than enough flow for what I'm shooting for. So much so that I'll have to turn the flow rate down by adjusting the valves on the two lines. The idea is to utilize the two siphon drains for about 90% of the drain flow. The remaining 10% will fall down one of the 1.5" lines and be virtually silent in that size pipe. Odds would be extremely low that any flow ever reaches the emergency drain level.
 
acrylic51

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I think you'll be good use the sched 80 bulkheads like you planned and the added beef of the bulkheads should be plenty!!!!!!!
 
acrylic51

acrylic51

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Al there wouldn't be much advantage going to 2" drains over 1 1/2" drain line capacity......The marginal gain you would get not worth the expense......
 
2quills

2quills

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Well here's what I'm working with now. It's not finished, I'm still working on the one side. I need to order some bulkheads, drill another hole and pick up another valve along with some more fittings. But here's the general idea.



 
2quills

2quills

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Originally Posted by acrylic51 http:///t/378912/2quills-120g-re-build-thread/580#post_3447060
Looks good....Didn't you have an internal overflow box before......
Is the flex PVC your return.....
Yeah the flex is the return. I did have some boxes in there before but I plan on making new ones. I already have some 1/4" black acrylic on hand for the new ones. Some things may change, I want to put true union valves on the large lines as well as the small. Not that they're needed but I'd like to have them anyway. And I may add Tee's to the backs of the two larger bulkheads. I also want to take out the 3/4" return bulkhead and throw a 1" in there.
 
acrylic51

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I like.......I was hesitant on unions and such, but honestly they make working on things rather nice, and not overly concerned about adding any extra head to the plumbing. I like the idea of increasing the return to 1". You can always reduce it down with the 3/4" loc line on the returns if you like. You'll pick up a hair of velocity then on the returns......
 
2quills

2quills

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Thanks guys, I saw the egg crate trick done somewhere before and I kind of liked the idea. Anything small enough to fit through the squares should find it an easy ride into the sump. The overflows will have removable covers as well just like the last ones. But I like the extra insurance of not ending up with something jammed in the plumbing and have to take it apart to remove. Fortunately everything is capable of being disassembled if need be.
I'm having some real thoughts of doing a shadow box background, still working out ideas on that though...
 
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