415 Gallon Plywood Tank Build

acrylic51

Active Member
Yes and no...., its not that simple to place nozzles and such every place needed in a setup, and I had debated drilling the bottom of the tank and I see issues with that route, so it does come down to a point where you can't direct flow everywhere you'd like with a dedicated CL and things appear good on paper and then you add in rock, coral and growth and you have areas that are lacking flow....
I for 1 don't like seeing hideous PVC in the display or for that matter anything detracting from the DT, and any type of nozzles you use does theoretically cut down on flow. Loc line.... Might be cool, but think about the flow lost going from 1 1/2" to 1"??? Doesn't seem like a lot, but its huge....
 

acrylic51

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Small update....First batch of rock is out of the curing vat and has made it's way into the display tank.....The 2nd batch is currently in a bleach bath....Not entirely sure it was important to do a bleach bath, but figured since I did the first batch might as well do the 2nd as well.....I had had the first batch in the curing vat since late November and wasn't able to detect any phosphate from the rock, so hopefully this will be the same with the 2nd batch as well....I'm pushing to have the 2nd batch ready to go into the DT next weekend.......
Will try to get some pics shortly of the first batch in the DT......
 

novahobbies

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Wow Shawn! I just got caught up on 12 pages worth of build thread...I haven't been over here in a while. Rock looks fantastic so far, and I can't wait to see this beast filled with water and rock!
 

acrylic51

Active Member
Thanks guys!!!!!!
I have the canopy down and actually in the garage as we speak......It's so dang cold and firing the heater up and hopefully get some good sanding done today through tonight and hopefully this weekend have it ready for stain.......
I will have to break out the good camera tonight, and take some pics of the rock inside the tank.....So far I like it somewhat, but I don't think anyone is every truly happy, but still have some tweaking to do, and things will eventually settle in....Key is lots of nooks and crannies for corals, and allowing plenty of room for the corals to grow into, but at the same time allowing plenty of room for fish to actually be able to swim through the rock structure....To me it makes it more realistic when the fish are swimming and flowing through a structure vs swimming in front, and over all the time.....
 

acrylic51

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Not much progress to report as of late....Been sick and laid up again....I quit taking my meds and now my stomach and kidneys are giving me fits, so hopefully they'll kick in soon so I can get working like mad....I can feel the mist of water!!!!!!
Did a little shopping today for the setup.....I had started another thread about my mixing station and heating water....Still haven't solved the issue of heating the water change water for the continuous water changes (daily) would probably be the more correct term. There's a lot of ways to go about accomplishing what I want to do, and some do the DIY approach and normally I would, but really not into the guess work or calculations or possible error that could happen....So I decided to use metering pumps....I had looked at both the ReefFiller and the LiteMeter III by Spectrapure, and decided on the Litemeter III..Elos and Tunze were also in the mix, but they didn't offer what I truly wanted as the other 2 did.....
Hopefully these puppies will arrive Friday......Just in time for some serious weekend work.....
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This is the main control unit.......
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The water exchange module.....and the auto top of module.....
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acrylic51

Active Member
Patience.....The second batch is still soaking......You already got a peak out what I have so far.......
Making me feel like a cheap first date Seth.......
Anyways, been tossing around skimmer ideas....As most remember I had purchased the XP 5000 external originally, but the original plan was to do an in sump skimmer.....I've run external skimmers in the past and really not what I was wanting on this setup. Water depth was an issue also with running the Octopus skimmers in sump......Their water level requirements seem to be pretty consistent between 6"-6 1/2" and I was way over that and didn't have the "headroom" or clearance underneath the stand once I would put the skimmer on a stand....That's what lead me to go external.....I did pull the sump back from under the tank and make a height adjustment on the baffles a long time ago. I took 2" off the baffles for a water height of 8", but still left me a bit high......
So as I mentioned I've been kicking around skimmer choices again......In the running again was the Octopus XP 5000 external skimmer, Corey had turned me on to the Skimz, which I was really impressed with....Love the look, the design, and how the pumps are mounted. Very clean looking IMO.....The only things that bothered or wondered about with the skimmer size I was looking couldn't really get a solid feel for pump quality and design and longevity......The did do a pump switch from their original pumps, but their made exclusive for the skimmer, which I think could possibly be a downfall if something were to go wrong with 1 of the pumps....Meaning the pumps aren't readily available and would more than likely have to come from overseas, which we know wouldn't be quick.......The other issue I noted from researching is the bubble plate for whatever reason and this was noted several times seems to work it's way loose....Not sure, but weird, and if the bubble plate isn't oriented correctly on assembly bubble production will not be right, but hopefully you would see this rather shortly after installing it.
Another skimmer that is in the running is the Bubble Magus......Problem is again finding a supplier for what I really want which is the Hero350.......Very sweet looking skimmer and hard not drooling over this like I did the Skimz.....Pretty similar in design to me....I do like how the skimmer is easily taken apart as well....Again I could probably order the skimmer from overseas, but my major draw back is parts availability and quickness if something does go wrong......
My other 2 skimmer options are very similar as well......This skimmer was probably my least favorite of the 4.......The ATB......Quality pump, nice construction, but I wasn't overly impressed with the look.....Again your saying that's stupid.....Sometimes "curb appeal" can be the selling point on an item.....ATB's aren't cheap by any means, so for the price you have to "WOW" me.....Pump quality.....Very reputable and dependable pump.....Honestly doesn't get to much better when it comes to quality of the Airstar pumps......
My final skimmer consideration is the Royal-Exclusiv Alpha 250 Cone skimmer......The skimmer uses the RedDragon pump......
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POWERED BY PERFECTION
The heart of the Vertex" Alpha Kone can be found in the world-class Red Dragon pump, from Royal Exclusiv. Long regarded as the absolute apex of skimmer pumps, the Red Dragon boasts solid credentials thanks to its impressive 1500 LPH air draw at only 38W electrical consumption. However, where it excels is in the exceptional balance, refinement and lifestyle-endearing silent operation. There has been no better match in the industry.
The oversized air-induction venturi is furnished with an additional port to facilitate the introduction of water clarifying ozone. As an added performance integrant, the venturi can be adjusted from its stock 1500 LPH air draw to a blistering 1800 LPH.




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THE SHAPE OF PERFORMANCE
Owing to its full-body conical reaction chamber, the Vertex" Alpha Kone eclipses all the traditional conditions of conventional protein skimming. By allowing the foam mass to accumulate in a gently sloping transition zone, protein extraction is remarkably increased. An inside view of the conical reaction chamber showcases the oversized, turbulence reducing bubble plate and remarkably fastidious CNC millwork that goes into it. Here is the core from which the Vertex" Alpha Kone derives so much of its matchless performance. Finally, the unit can be fully disassembled for routine and thorough maintenance. All the body components are fashioned from high grade cast acrylic or solid PVC. The fasteners are manufactured with highly corrosion resistant titanium. Absolutely zero medians have been taken in the composition of the Vertex" Alpha Kone, and it shows.




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EXCLUSIVE FEATURES


  • Manufactured for Vertex Aquaristik" by Royal Exclusiv from 100% cast acrylic and PVC

  • Full body cone chamber markedly enables stable foam formation

  • Red Dragon high-performance skimmer pump is completely silent

  • Oversized, CNC-milled bubble plate eliminates turbulence
    Bayonet-style neck provides a secure, leak-free coupling between the cup and body
    Easily accessible Ozone port
    Built in skimmate drain
    All parts can be disassembled for ease of maintenance




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TECHNICAL DATA
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  • Footprint(w/pump) 11.8x16.5"

  • Cone Inner Diameter: Top: 6.2" Bottom: 10.2"

  • Neck Diameter: 5.8"

  • Height 24.5"
    1500 or 1800 lph @ 38W
    Outlet: 2" Inlet: 1.25"
    Rated up to 450 gal
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A couple things you'll find with my skimmer choices except for Reef Octopus is that all are in sump.....All can handle the deeper water level of my sump, vs what the Bubbleblaster pumps can handle......What are you thoughts......
 

snakeblitz33

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The Royal Exclusive is the way to go. I have heard many great things about RedDragon pumps and I don't think you will be unsatisfied by any means. Check out some YouTube videos if you can find some.
I think that it's actually spot on with what it is rated for, honestly. 450g is a little more then what your tank is rated for - but from what I gather, you're not a real big fish person so your looking for something that will do a good amount of skimming, but not overskim and strip the water.
So, my vote would be the Royal...
It's like the Rolls Royce of skimmers. Now, if you were going for a Lambo, I would say that a Bubble King internal 250 supermarin is probably a step up from the Royal Exclusive Here's the specs...
Specifications:

  • 2000 L/h Air - 4000 L/h Water

  • Total Height: 21.75"

  • Footprint: 19.7" x 14.2"

  • Power Usage: 45 Watt/h

  • Original Red-Dragon pump with standard anti-lime bypass and titanium screws

  • Super Quiet - only 46 db
    Bubble King Supermarin 250 Internal Protein Skimmer

  • The Royal Exclusiv. Bubble King Supermarin's were developed as an economic, high performance skimmer for those aquarist who has little cabinet space.
    The exclusive dual cone design minimizes turbulence while concentrating the waste collection at the head of the skimmer.
    Each Supermarin is powered by a very powerful Red Dragon water pump, custom manufactured by Royal Exclusiv. These pumps operate in virtual silence and are free from vibration resonance, thanks to the high-quality rubber feet at the baseplate.
    The collection cup easily lifts off the body of the skimmer to help facilitate ease of maintenance. Additionally, Supermarin's can also be fully disassembled to maximize ease of cleaning.
    Royal Exclusiv Bubble-King Skimmers Specifications:

  • All tubes made of “GS-Plexiglasrohr” (Acrylic) with a thickness from 4- 6 mm
    Oxygen partition plate on the bottom - injection pan with conical counter bored holes for clear turbulence reduction.
    Skimmer flotate cup with one hand solvable, because of CNC-lathed screw connection and 2.5 mm silicone seal, therefore it is totally sealed and salt creep free.
    The height to screw it out is ONLY 20 mm.
    Integrated discharge adjustment for perfect water adjustment inside the skimmer.
    Nozzle and acoustic waves uncoupling system.
    Low maintenance because the nozzle is only attached.
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It's only almost 22" tall... so it would definitely fit your stand.
And, by the way, the BK has a 4000lph rating rather than the royal exclusiv 1800lph rating. For $600 more........ it's just money. LOL!!!
 

acrylic51

Active Member
Thanks Seth.......The BK Supermarin IMO is way over priced......Never really understood the appeal to them, but a good track record though.......
I don't really have a height issue underneath the stand.....Technically with a skimmer sitting flat on the bottom of the sump I have 27" before I come in contact with a cross support of the stand.....Now depending on the overall foot print of the skimmer I could slide it to either side of the cross support and actually gain another 10" per say.....It just really comes down to how the skimmer is laid out as far as assembled configuration.....The other factor I wanted or needed to take into consideration is that I wanted and automatic head cleaner for my skimmer at some point.....With the Octopus needing to be elevated and it' general layout sliding the skimmer to either side of the cross bracing could have been problematic, and if I couldn't "tweak" it enough to clear the cross bracing with elevating the skimmer there is NO Way I'd ever be able to get a neck cleaner in there as well and also would have to struggle to disassemble the collection cup from the neck cleaner to pull the cup.....
I do like the simple fact that the models I listed don't need to be elevated.....Also without elevating the skimmer depending on overall skimmer height I wouldn't possibly have to worry about tweaking placement to get the neck cleaner as I want......I'm not sure about Skimz or the Bubble Magus off the top of my head, but I do know that both the ATB and Alpha are ozone capable......The thing is and I can't remember precisely, but I think it is the Octopus skimmers that do have the ozone port installed, but as some found out the quality of material used in the build it should have never been setup for ozone use......There were quite a few complaints; reports of crazing, yellowing from use of ozone with this particular skimmer......Of course ozone is harsh, but better quality material should manage it just fine, or for that matter run it through an ozone reactor just to protect your investment.......No plans at this moment for ozone, but have in the past, but I like to leave myself that option if the need arises......
I do the Alpha just as the BK Supermarin or BK line has the ability to be fine tuned as far as the air it will pull......I'm sure others can be tweaked just the same, but to have some of the leg work out of the way is nice......The did find out however than anything over 10" the skimmer air numbers do drop off......They say the sweet spot is 10", 8" will work, but will see a skimming improvement and air improvement at 10".....That seems to be pretty consistent with what I've seen across the board.......
 

acrylic51

Active Member
Seth the skimmer would be a tad oversize, but do plan to have a decent fish load, as you know I'm partial to Tangs, but not stupid crazy as well.....Also there are plans at some point to put a nice frag tank in back so with that addition of another tank, the skimmer would/should work quite well.....Comparably the rating between the XP 5000 and the Alpha 250 are dead on and the XP 5000 gave me just enough headroom to put the frag system into place down the road.....I had been in a huge debate if the XP 3000 wouldn't have been a better fit, but with the water volume and future add ons it would have been undersized and taxed......
I honestly don't believe in the theory of "over skimming". I know it's talked about and debated from time to time, but just don't think it's plausible in most cases........
 

marvelfan

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Not much progress to report as of late....Been sick and laid up again....I quit taking my meds and now my stomach and kidneys are giving me fits, so hopefully they'll kick in soon so I can get working like mad....I can feel the mist of water!!!!!!
Did a little shopping today for the setup.....I had started another thread about my mixing station and heating water....Still haven't solved the issue of heating the water change water for the continuous water changes (daily) would probably be the more correct term. There's a lot of ways to go about accomplishing what I want to do, and some do the DIY approach and normally I would, but really not into the guess work or calculations or possible error that could happen....So I decided to use metering pumps....I had looked at both the ReefFiller and the LiteMeter III by Spectrapure, and decided on the Litemeter III..Elos and Tunze were also in the mix, but they didn't offer what I truly wanted as the other 2 did.....
Hopefully these puppies will arrive Friday......Just in time for some serious weekend work.....
Let us know how this works. As you have been following my build and progress as well, you know I'm doing more of DIY approach (About to enter the testing phase). But if all else fails I will be looking for a new off the shelf toy. The LiteMeter III looks good! With a slow gradual water change over hours I don't think you even need to worry about heating your water, which is a plus in my book. Looking forward to seeing how that works out for you!
 

acrylic51

Active Member
Thanks.....Interested how the testing turns out as well....With the water changes spread out and done in small increments, I don't think I would see much if any swing.....Really the only time would be on a large aggressive water change, but that's something that's planned out ahead of time....
 

acrylic51

Active Member
Finally made a decision on the skimmer......Couldn't pass up the deal.....
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This is the Vertex Alpha 300 w/dual RedDragon pumps......
 

acrylic51

Active Member
Not a chance on Gods green earth could I make the skimmer body........I had looked into obtaining a nice skimmer body, but I was giving no real time frame as far as when they would be ready to be produced......
 
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