415 Gallon Plywood Tank Build

acrylic51

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Originally Posted by 2Quills http:///t/376802/415-gallon-plywood-tank-build/1900#post_3510428
Bro, if that skimmer was a chick I'd be all over it. Lookin all hot and red like that.

My wife came downstairs a bit ago and of course I was admiring the beauty sitting on top the bar.....Actually if my brother-in-law was here, he'd be trying to figure out how many beers he could drink out of the collection cup......I think my wife was a bit jealous.....Her comment was" boy wished somebody eyed me like that".......Then her next comment was how much did you spend on that......(Hide the receipt)........
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Originally Posted by SnakeBlitz33 http:///t/376802/415-gallon-plywood-tank-build/1900#post_3510424
I'm impressed. Looks like it has good functionality. Large collection cup! It dwarfs that soda can!
Lets see it installed on the tank sometime soon... and skimming some fish waste out here in the next say.... week?
Actually I shot my buddy some pics of it, asking if he was free this weekend so he could come over and help me pull the sump from under the tank again and get the skimmer into place and everything hooked back up to the sump.....Fortunately everything has unions on, and the worse part is just maneuvering the sump over a bit to get the skimmer in place.....He had nerve to say...."it doesn't look that big".......

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Originally Posted by Siptang
http:///t/376802/415-gallon-plywood-tank-build/1900#post_3510427
Good looking skimmer there.
Thanks!!!!!!!
 

sweatervest13

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Well if the big tank does not work out, you could always try to turn that skimmer into a nano tank. That thing has to hold almost 10g.
I don't know if I wanna run away from it because its scary big, or take it to dinner and try to tame the beast.
 

acrylic51

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Originally Posted by SnakeBlitz33 http:///t/376802/415-gallon-plywood-tank-build/1920#post_3511791
I hope that skimmer isn't tooo big. lol
it's update time!!!
Don't think so.......Actually falls within range.....plus I think all manufacturers inflate numbers a bit as well......At some stage of the game there will be a nice frag tank added to the system as well, and a few other little odds and ends added as well.....
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Originally Posted by MarvelFan
http:///t/376802/415-gallon-plywood-tank-build/1920#post_3511787
Any updates!? Getting antsy!

No updates......Did get the automatic neck cleaner ordered and should be here Monday.....Thinking will have to do a little modification to the bottom of the stand, but won't be sure until I get the unit in hand......Also got the skimmer in place....Had to actually pull all the plumbing apart and pull the sump to get the job done. I knew this heading into the skimmer choice. This was mainly due to the diameter of the base of the skimmer....Actually my skimmer area at the beginning was huge compared to most, but this monster definitely has claimed it's spot.....
Not sure exactly if I'm going to run a fuge or build a scrubber......I think there could be a happy medium with running both, but not something I feel I have to have from the onset of things......The Apex arrived 2 weeks ago, and have only unpacked it and checked it out and powered it up.....Still need to order another Eb8 as well.....I don't believe on running a system on 1 circuit, so the other Eb8 is in order to split the load evenly over 2 of the 3 circuits in the fish room. Not sure if I'm going to jump on the pre order for the Apex water sensor or not or what until people actually get them and get some input/reviews on the modules.....I'm also considering adding the PM2 module with the salinity probe for continuous monitoring as well......
I did get the control panel/box built and heater controllers installed.....Have to get the side of the stand another coat of poly and rub down and install the control panel in the end panel for the heaters.....I'll have to post some pics of the heater control panel and also the pics of the main control panel where the Apex and Litemeter and other goodies will be housed.....
Been thinking a good bit on the LED lighting for the tank, and have narrowed it down to 3.......GHL Mitras, Radion, and DIY.......Comparing the GHL's to the Radions the Radions are more costly, and doesn't have all the same features as the Mitras......Whereas I'd need less units of the Mitras than the Radions as well which makes the Radions more expensive......DIY I honestly have to sit down and price it all out, and see where it falls in the price range.....A big killer would be putting a cost on man hours building the units.....so a tough choice.....
 

lubeck

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Hey Shawn don't you want to use the apex to control your lighting? Besides the DIY I guess the others you would just use the built in controller? I was thinking about giving up on kessils since you can't ramp up and now that I have my moonlights and day lights set on the sun and moon cycle I'm looking at the Apollo 5000 and the acan prism 600 or the 800. Any thoughts on those lights?
 

acrylic51

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Originally Posted by Lubeck http:///t/376802/415-gallon-plywood-tank-build/1920#post_3511931
Hey Shawn don't you want to use the apex to control your lighting? Besides the DIY I guess the others you would just use the built in controller? I was thinking about giving up on kessils since you can't ramp up and now that I have my moonlights and day lights set on the sun and moon cycle I'm looking at the Apollo 5000 and the acan prism 600 or the 800. Any thoughts on those lights?
Yes would like to use the Apex for controlling my lighting, but there's advantages and disadvantages to everything......The drivers were using for DIY aren't capable of producing the lighting storms as some units.....Is it necessary??? No, but like that option.....I like the option of the cloudy/rainy days the Mitras offers, and the Radions and such can't touch this.....I think both Radion and Mitras are noted for their programming issues or unfriendliness......Eco has been under some heavy criticism on their "Live", but nothings perfect......I think most comes down to what the individual really wants and price.....I have to contact a dealer and get cost on the Mitras.....Comparing some pics I like the Radion look a tad better.....Like the Mitras features a lot more than Radion, and Eco from the lack of customer support I've dealt with looses points again......
As far as the 2 you mentioned I like the Acan prism 800, but love the SolarBlast UV......and if they were my choices I'd have to lean SolarBlast UV.....Have heard good things about them.....
 

acrylic51

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If I were to opt the Radions would be the Pro, but would still lean heavily towards the Mitras. Curious as to why you ask???
 

acrylic51

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Where'd you gather that its a much stronger unit?? I'm curious and would like to read the info.... Heads up on the LED showdown of the LED units Radion showed deeper penetration, but honestly the numbers weren't mind blowing to me. I think the number have more to do with the optics used by Radion, whereas the Mitras offers better coverage....
6 Radions @ $900 each vs 4 Mitras @ $1200....neither are truly wireless, so neither win or gain points there.....Radion has their "Live" setup which Mitraa hasn't launched theirs yet, but the Radion "Live" is far from stellar and has been in beta for over a year with no real progress. Both units USB ports loose points as well.
Hands down features or perks Mitras pounds them. Radion from review don't technically flash LEDs independently in storm mode, Mitraa does..... Also cloud cover, rain storms Radion doesn't match. Mitras has also hinted wireless module.
Also keeping in mind GHL hasn't been in the LED market as long as Eco, but definitely that year advantage by Eco means little to GHL and the gap will be closed.... Price is a big drawback for the Mitras. I don't think it will ever be a know an average household fixture.
The 2 units you mentioned earlier Apollo an Acan....another nod for the SolarBlast is Apex certified....Acan probably works as well, but don't see a certification deal from Neptune listed either.
 

lubeck

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I guess I stand corrected. Check this spread out. Guess which one is which.

It just seems that radion can penetrate much deeper and hold par I know you have done all your homework I have not
 

snakeblitz33

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Lubeck,
What you see with your eyes isn't exactly the best measurement of PAR value. PAR is photosynthetically Available Radiation. Some LEDs put out more PAR than others without having a higher LUX value. Just sayin'
Looks good Acrylic. When do you want me to come over and help yah set the rest of the live rock in and get the tank filled up? lol
 

acrylic51

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Originally Posted by SnakeBlitz33 http:///t/376802/415-gallon-plywood-tank-build/1920#post_3512248
Lubeck,
What you see with your eyes isn't exactly the best measurement of PAR value. PAR is photosynthetically Available Radiation. Some LEDs put out more PAR than others without having a higher LUX value. Just sayin'
Looks good Acrylic. When do you want me to come over and help yah set the rest of the live rock in and get the tank filled up? lol
I agree with you Seth......Your welcome anytime.......
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Originally Posted by Lubeck
http:///t/376802/415-gallon-plywood-tank-build/1920#post_3512238
I guess I stand corrected. Check this spread out. Guess which one is which.

It just seems that radion can penetrate much deeper and hold par I know you have done all your homework I have not
I see you found where I was reading.........The Mitras looks a bit pink, but that's dialed at 100%......The Radion might penetrate deeper, but as Seth pointed out a bit more to it, and I think some of that could be due to the optics used, whereas the Mitras might lack some penetration power, but makes up in coverage.....For a person with a deep tank that might be a consideration, but for the most part are we keeping SPS on the bottom.....Plus the other little perks I had mentioned makes them a little more appealing along with the coverage vs price......With that said Mitras again is more appealing.....Maybe if Eco gets their "Live" deal working flawless and out of Beta that might or could possibly sway my thoughts a bit.....Still can't get over their "lack of customer service" as well....That really puts doubt in my mind if I'd drop $5500 with their company......
 

acrylic51

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Not a whole lot to update at this point......Did finally purchase the exhaust fan for the fish room.....Tried installing it this evening, but it appears that I'll have to do some modification work on the ducting.....Hopefully tomorrow after work I'll get by HD or Lowes and pick up the pieces I need to get the duct work connected....
Should have mentioned I did come to a decision on PH's to supplement the CL system.....I've tossed and turned and loss tons of sleep debating Tunze vs Vortechs.......I've decided to go away from the Vortechs......I know most will say they are incredible pumps and mad flow....You are correct, but don't think they are suited for my application......Vortechs are nice trust me....No cords, nice wave/flow capabilities....BUT.....2 major short comings for me IMHO.....They aren't adjustable, and the controller cable lengths just suck.....I'm not willing to purchase these pumps and then in turn send them to EcoTech to have the cords lengthened at $25.00 a shot....plus you can't adjust or aim them.......A major downfall.....Being I know there would be sand issue as well.....
With the Tunzes good flow....excellent customer service and proven and excellent track record....They are corded yes, but I think I've solved the cord issue, but haven't tested it out yet, but will shortly....These pumps can be aimed and positioned almost unlimitedly....Will work in conjunction with the Apex, but not as seamless....(meaning programming on the Apex will have to be written) instead of sorta preset, but can vary between modes or movement actions throughout the course of the day as you can with a Vortech......I've seen a few videos of the new 6255's run on longer bigger tanks and IMO rather impressive movement.....I'm not trying to produce a wave in the setup, but coupled with correct timing it could be achieved with timing and placement......
With extensive conversation with Roger and Craig from Tunze I'm going to opt for (2) Tunze 6255's(when they are available) for the end with the overflow.....Going Tunze will allow me to mount them higher in the tank to avoid sand issues. The nice thing is with the cords being black and the side and back of the tank black and a trick up my sleeve I'm thinking I could make the cords disappear.....(Hoping anyways!!!!!)

Specifications:

* Tunze Turbelle Stream 6255 High Flow Water Pump * WIDE FLOW
* for tanks > 4.000 l (1,050 USgal.)
* Flow performance: 5,000 to approx. 18,000 l/h (1,300 to 4,800 US gal./h)
* Energy consumption: max. 58 W
* Power supply unit:100-240V/50-60Hz
* Length of cable: 5 m (196.8 in.).
* Dimensions: ø90 mm (3.5 in.), output: ø75 mm (3 in.)
* Magnet Holder with Silence Clamp with pane thickness up to 27 mm (1.06 in.).
For addition flow in the tank there will also be an additional (2) Tunze 6095's......These present a bit of a challenge in a sense.....A challenge to due mounting capabilities....The magnets are only strong enough I think for 1/2", but I'm going to have to fabricate mounting brackets to mount these puppies.....The nice thing is both parts of the magnets are submersible, so no issue with the back magnet being in saltwater.....With that said these pumps will be mounted along the front of the tank on the euro bracing aimed back towards the rock work in opposing corners, kinda cross firing; delayed of course.......

Turbelle® nanostream® 6095 (6095.000)
* for aquariums from 100 to 1000 litres
* (26 to 264 USgal.).
* Flow rate: 2,000 to 10,000 l/h (528 to 2,642 USgal./h).
* Energy consumption: 5 - 21 W.
* Voltage / frequency: 100 - 240 V / 50 - 60 Hz.
* Cable length: 5 m (196.8 in.).
* Dimensions: diam. 70 mm (2.7 in.).
* Output: diam. 50/10 mm (1.96 / .39 in.).
Anyways finally got the new skimmer lid and automatic neck cleaner in house....Still have to reconnect all the plumbing back up, I had to take apart to get the skimmer inside the sump.....It was a rather interesting ordeal to say the least......Also go the Apex in house as well.....I've fired it up, but haven't really played with it much...Also trying to determine what other modules I'll need....some I'd like right away and others can wait a bit....I would like to try out the new leak detection module Neptune just released......
I've been working rather diligently on my control panel/cabinet for the fish room....This will house the "brains" of the system more or less....I had plans to mount the Apex, and all Apex modules and stuff inside along with PH controllers , Litemeter and heater controllers.....The way it's planning out I don't think the Litemeter is going to work into the scheme of the control panel, but not a big deal. As well as the heater controllers aren't long enough to reach from where the heater will be placed to the control panel, but I've already solved that issue and will have to post a pic of that control box itself sometime here shortly.....Anyways here's a few pics of the control panel/cabinet.....

The holes in the bottom right are where power lines from the stand already run will enter into the control panel......The hole on the far left bottom of the panel is where the Apex Eb8 cords will exit.....Those holes will be dressed up with grommets kinda like what you'd find on a desk to conceal/hide wiring.......The inner board where you have 1 hole on the right is again where power lines will feed through the panel.....A big key is keeping wiring neat and tidy and out of sight.....The 2 holes on the left board will be where the power cables from where the Eb8's will be located will be routed out of sight to the bottom of the panel as well.....Trying to minimize as much visible wiring as possible.....

I had talked so much about using hydraulic shocks I couldn't resist........The normal european hinges work great, but the door is rather big and cumbersome....The cabinet height if I remember correctly is roughly 30", so a pretty big door, but not heave....You can see I used my pocket holes again, and the hydraulic shocks I happened to stumble upon Saturday while at my local WoodCraft store picking up glue....These things are incredible.....The smallest ones they have are designed to handle a 100lb door, so they are more than capable of holding and lifting this......
The small hole in the top is where my wiring will enter the control panel for my lighting for the tank........

As you can see I've gone a bit over board.....I like locks....Yes to keep messy fingers out, I've installed a lock on my control cabinet.......There will be a smoked acrylic panel inset in the door, so you will be able to look in and see the display of the Apex, but you won't be able to touch it......Of course I have the app on my phone, so I can see what's going on and worse case I can grab a computer and adjust from there or my phone......
Also in the pic you can see a bigger compartment on the right hand side of the case.....This is where all the Apex display, brain and modules will be located and housed.....On the far left you'll see a small area sectioned off.....This is where the Eb8's will be mounted....Again trying to hide wiring......

In this pic you get a closer look at the hydraulic shocks and you'll see that I've laid the panels in place......The panel closest to you with all the holes in it again is where all the brains of the unit will be housed.....The 2 bigger holes in the top of the picture are where all the cords will appear and be run over to the Eb8 outlets there will be grommets again used in the holes to tidy them up......The 3 smaller holes running vertically are different cables will make there way to and from the "brain" of the Apex.....I probably didn't need 3, but 2 for sure....I'd rather have an extra then down the road realize I need another.....Again super easy to plug with the grommets. The real small hole off to the right in the pic is where the wiring from the Apex display will be routed downward underneath the panel, and will come out 1 of the 3 vertical holes where it will be plugged into the "brain box" of the Apex
In the far compartment you can see that I've fabricated a cover plate for the Apex Eb8's....They aren't ugly, but just a little bored and anal and wanted to fab a plate to cover them up somewhat......

Again in the pic....On the far left you can see the cover plate I've fabricated and made to cover the tops of the Eb8's.....When the Eb8's are in place you'll basically see only the outlets themselves......The aquabus ports are hidden on the side, but the bottom side of the cover plate I fabricated is routed to allow plugs to be plugged in the aquabus ports, and also had to route out the cover plate so the power cords of the Eb8's would clear underneath.......
Also in the pic you see a smaller rectangular box near the top by the 1 hinge on the right side......This is a face plate I've fabricated to cover the display......The cutout opening is just wide enough to fit over top of the Apex display....You'll be able to still access the buttons on on the display, but it's more to dress things up and hide the cord coming off the bottom of the display unit.....
 

lubeck

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Wow that is super clean work Shawn. You need to be sure to take another pic once you have it full. Where will it be mounted in the fish room? I'm curious to,see how the power cords bend from the eb8? I can tell you that I have 2-eb8s and I'm using all the outlets. Not sure if you have any extra outlets?
As far as modules for the apex, I have the lunar module but am looking to get the salinity probe and module as well as the the led dimmer module if I switch out my kessils. Looking at the orp and the leak detection as well. Have you decided on lighting yet?
 
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