Another Disgusting Oil Spill!!
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fishtaco
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Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3270172
That CEO of BP is a goner. He said again the spill is tiny compared to the size of the gulf and the environmental impacts will likely be modest.
Hopefully he is right but my god, from a PR position what an idiot. Saying that a year from now MIGHT be a smart move once you have say an ounce of evidence to support your position.
Maybe someone should set-up a nice saltwater tank for the CEO of BP, let's say something big like 500 gallons and then add a drop of crude to it a day and let him watch what happens, all on his dime of course. After all a drop of crude a day would be a tiny amount too.
Fishtaco
http:///forum/post/3270172
That CEO of BP is a goner. He said again the spill is tiny compared to the size of the gulf and the environmental impacts will likely be modest.
Hopefully he is right but my god, from a PR position what an idiot. Saying that a year from now MIGHT be a smart move once you have say an ounce of evidence to support your position.
Maybe someone should set-up a nice saltwater tank for the CEO of BP, let's say something big like 500 gallons and then add a drop of crude to it a day and let him watch what happens, all on his dime of course. After all a drop of crude a day would be a tiny amount too.
Fishtaco
stdreb27
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Originally Posted by Fishtaco
http:///forum/post/3270176
Maybe someone should set-up a nice saltwater tank for the CEO of BP, let's say something big like 500 gallons and then add a drop of crude to it a day and let him watch what happens, all on his dime of course. After all a drop of crude a day would be a tiny amount too.
Fishtaco
Oil seems blow this out of the water...
http:///forum/post/3270176
Maybe someone should set-up a nice saltwater tank for the CEO of BP, let's say something big like 500 gallons and then add a drop of crude to it a day and let him watch what happens, all on his dime of course. After all a drop of crude a day would be a tiny amount too.
Fishtaco
Oil seems blow this out of the water...
speg
Active Member
Ok.. sorry if I haven't been following along too well on this thread...
Today on the radio I heard that their BIG plan failed cause of the sea ice crystals clogging that big trash can they put over it....
Then I hear that another plan of theirs is to "Throw trash in it"................................
Next I hear that plan B is "Putting golf balls and pieces of tire in it"
Tell me this is a joke?
Today on the radio I heard that their BIG plan failed cause of the sea ice crystals clogging that big trash can they put over it....
Then I hear that another plan of theirs is to "Throw trash in it"................................
Next I hear that plan B is "Putting golf balls and pieces of tire in it"
Tell me this is a joke?
mrdc
Active Member
Fishing ban extended ...
http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/05/18/gul...ex.html?hpt=T1
The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration has shut down fishing in 19 percent of the Gulf over which the federal government has jurisdiction, NOAA administrator Jane Lubchenco said.
That's up from 10 percent that NOAA had ordered closed to fishing Monday. The agency had closed 8 percent of the portion of the Gulf under federal jurisdiction Friday.
The expansion to 19 percent means 45,728 square miles are now closed to fishing.
http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/05/18/gul...ex.html?hpt=T1
The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration has shut down fishing in 19 percent of the Gulf over which the federal government has jurisdiction, NOAA administrator Jane Lubchenco said.
That's up from 10 percent that NOAA had ordered closed to fishing Monday. The agency had closed 8 percent of the portion of the Gulf under federal jurisdiction Friday.
The expansion to 19 percent means 45,728 square miles are now closed to fishing.
handbanana
Member
I hear on the news they are afraid of the crude reaching the loop current. Has anyone else herd of this. and also the oil is not just on the surface. It is in huge "puddles" at different depths in the ocean. One of the largest is about 4 miles wide and 500 feet thick. and its under water now.
This is what I heard on the news last night.
This is what I heard on the news last night.
handbanana
Member
This is a pretty bad situation. What is crazy is that they talk about weeks for some new plan to take effect or some idea to be hatched and yet now they estimate that 2 million gallons of crude a day are being released. It seems like where running out of time.
stdreb27
Active Member
Originally Posted by Speg
http:///forum/post/3270181
Ok.. sorry if I haven't been following along too well on this thread...
Today on the radio I heard that their BIG plan failed cause of the sea ice crystals clogging that big trash can they put over it....
Then I hear that another plan of theirs is to "Throw trash in it"................................
Next I hear that plan B is "Putting golf balls and pieces of tire in it"
Tell me this is a joke?
Basically they built a containment dome, and were going to stick it over the pipe. The problem was, some of the other byproducts from the oil froze, clogging the thing up, and making it to buoyant. So that didn't work. They also tried to make it coagulate, like what your blood does, hoping the golfballs would do the trick. But that didn't work. So then they tried a second dome, that had the same problems as the first. Then they stuck a tube into the flow line riser, and they threaded the needle on that one. And that is capturing more of the oil than they were...
http:///forum/post/3270181
Ok.. sorry if I haven't been following along too well on this thread...
Today on the radio I heard that their BIG plan failed cause of the sea ice crystals clogging that big trash can they put over it....
Then I hear that another plan of theirs is to "Throw trash in it"................................
Next I hear that plan B is "Putting golf balls and pieces of tire in it"
Tell me this is a joke?
Basically they built a containment dome, and were going to stick it over the pipe. The problem was, some of the other byproducts from the oil froze, clogging the thing up, and making it to buoyant. So that didn't work. They also tried to make it coagulate, like what your blood does, hoping the golfballs would do the trick. But that didn't work. So then they tried a second dome, that had the same problems as the first. Then they stuck a tube into the flow line riser, and they threaded the needle on that one. And that is capturing more of the oil than they were...
reefraff
Active Member
Now they are talking about capping the well. If they are able to cap that thing BP is really going to be in for it. When the valve couldn't be placed on the well to shut it down they probably should have tried to cap the thing then. I assumed there was something down there preventing them from capping it off but evidentually not.
stdreb27
Active Member
Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3270247
Now they are talking about capping the well. If they are able to cap that thing BP is really going to be in for it. When the valve couldn't be placed on the well to shut it down they probably should have tried to cap the thing then. I assumed there was something down there preventing them from capping it off but evidentually not.
yeah it is called a buncha crumpled pipe.
http:///forum/post/3270247
Now they are talking about capping the well. If they are able to cap that thing BP is really going to be in for it. When the valve couldn't be placed on the well to shut it down they probably should have tried to cap the thing then. I assumed there was something down there preventing them from capping it off but evidentually not.
yeah it is called a buncha crumpled pipe.
reefraff
Active Member
Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/3270270
yeah it is called a buncha crumpled pipe.
Yeah but now they are making noise like they can cap it.
http:///forum/post/3270270
yeah it is called a buncha crumpled pipe.
Yeah but now they are making noise like they can cap it.
stdreb27
Active Member
Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3270274
Yeah but now they are making noise like they can cap it.
Realistically, the crap they've probably learned playing with this for the last month... Who knows...
http:///forum/post/3270274
Yeah but now they are making noise like they can cap it.
Realistically, the crap they've probably learned playing with this for the last month... Who knows...
mrdc
Active Member
Who was the quack on Rush recently talking about the oil spill? Well Rush can make some quacky comments too. Anyway, the guy on Rush was talking about how the ocean will break the oil up and break it down and no harm done. He also talked about how the ocean leaches oil everyday and harms nothing. He then went on to say where is the oil? I can go to the gulf beaches and I don’t see any oil.
Rush went on to say how the ecology is resilient and can handle the oil. He said “saltwater is some tough stuff, you try living in it”. WTF?
Talk about minimizing this disaster.
Rush went on to say how the ecology is resilient and can handle the oil. He said “saltwater is some tough stuff, you try living in it”. WTF?
Talk about minimizing this disaster.
stdreb27
Active Member
Originally Posted by mrdc
http:///forum/post/3270472
Who was the quack on Rush recently talking about the oil spill? Well Rush can make some quacky comments too. Anyway, the guy on Rush was talking about how the ocean will break the oil up and break it down and no harm done. He also talked about how the ocean leaches oil everyday and harms nothing. He then went on to say where is the oil? I can go to the gulf beaches and I don’t see any oil.
Rush went on to say how the ecology is resilient and can handle the oil. He said “saltwater is some tough stuff, you try living in it”. WTF?
Talk about minimizing this disaster.
What did he say that was not true?
The ocean breaks down oil every day. True. (the reason for the drop in o2 surrounding those underwater oil column, the micro bacteria consuming more o2 while it breaks down the oil) That is the whole idea behind using emulsifiers. It breaks down the oil and takes it lower into the water column where the oil eating bacteria can go to work on it...
Oil and natural gas leech into the oceans every day. True
As for the where is the oil comment, in context, he was discussing the salaciousness of news. There still isn't the waves of oil washing ashore. Just a sheen hitting a few of LA's delta islands... True.
If you'd listen to Rush, he didn't marginalize it at all... The argument he's made is 2 fold, (at least in my mind) this isn't the end of the world. (points to larger spills in the gulf) And says this is precisely the type of disaster the U.S. Government was designed to help solve. This is the role of government. (which would STRONGLY indicate that he isn't marginalizing it...)
http:///forum/post/3270472
Who was the quack on Rush recently talking about the oil spill? Well Rush can make some quacky comments too. Anyway, the guy on Rush was talking about how the ocean will break the oil up and break it down and no harm done. He also talked about how the ocean leaches oil everyday and harms nothing. He then went on to say where is the oil? I can go to the gulf beaches and I don’t see any oil.
Rush went on to say how the ecology is resilient and can handle the oil. He said “saltwater is some tough stuff, you try living in it”. WTF?
Talk about minimizing this disaster.
What did he say that was not true?
The ocean breaks down oil every day. True. (the reason for the drop in o2 surrounding those underwater oil column, the micro bacteria consuming more o2 while it breaks down the oil) That is the whole idea behind using emulsifiers. It breaks down the oil and takes it lower into the water column where the oil eating bacteria can go to work on it...
Oil and natural gas leech into the oceans every day. True
As for the where is the oil comment, in context, he was discussing the salaciousness of news. There still isn't the waves of oil washing ashore. Just a sheen hitting a few of LA's delta islands... True.
If you'd listen to Rush, he didn't marginalize it at all... The argument he's made is 2 fold, (at least in my mind) this isn't the end of the world. (points to larger spills in the gulf) And says this is precisely the type of disaster the U.S. Government was designed to help solve. This is the role of government. (which would STRONGLY indicate that he isn't marginalizing it...)
mrdc
Active Member
I agree the ocean breaks down every day but I think too much is coming out for the ocean to handle quickly enough in order to prevent an ecological disaster. Now this is just my gut feeling since I am not a scientist. I also understand that oil and natural gas leech all the time and the oceans can handle it but this leech probably isn’t on such a large scale as the current oil leak. Again, just my guess. I took the can’t see it from the beach comment sort of as a minimalizing comment. I took it as him saying people are just overreacting and there is nothing to worry about since the oil isn’t even hitting the shores yet. I would have said that people need to do all they can to prevent the oil from washing ashore. At most this could be a preventative measure to help ensure less potential damage.
I took Rush’s comments as not stating enough. I agree that the ecology can clean itself up like he said BUT I would have added that the oil could potentially have a catastrophic impact that could take many years to clean itself up. I know humans will help speed the cleanup process so that the many years could be shorten.
I guess they are trying to give a different spin on the oil leak from what most news agencies are reporting. Instead of preaching nothing but doom and gloom, they are trying to give you other ways to look at it. I guess you take what you want from what they are saying just like most people should with a lot of the news that is reported. Don’t just take everything you hear at face value especially the news since they are in the business of making money and disastrous news seems to be a better seller.
I took Rush’s comments as not stating enough. I agree that the ecology can clean itself up like he said BUT I would have added that the oil could potentially have a catastrophic impact that could take many years to clean itself up. I know humans will help speed the cleanup process so that the many years could be shorten.
I guess they are trying to give a different spin on the oil leak from what most news agencies are reporting. Instead of preaching nothing but doom and gloom, they are trying to give you other ways to look at it. I guess you take what you want from what they are saying just like most people should with a lot of the news that is reported. Don’t just take everything you hear at face value especially the news since they are in the business of making money and disastrous news seems to be a better seller.
stdreb27
Active Member
Originally Posted by mrdc
http:///forum/post/3270479
I took Rush’s comments as not stating enough. I agree that the ecology can clean itself up like he said BUT I would have added that the oil could potentially have a catastrophic impact that could take many years to clean itself up. I know humans will help speed the cleanup process so that the many years could be shorten.
The disasterous impact, which can locally devistate ecology was not left uncovered. There is a deeper point to the within the "founder's intent of government" statement.
The conservative argument is, one of the government's roles, enumerated in the constitution, is in times of distress (like this) to step in and develop, or help develop a solution. In this case in my opinion that would be - to work in tandem with BP, providing the deep sea technology, and manpower to help with the clean up.
Government intervention from a conservative's viewpoint, is not taken lightly. And suggesting government action, would indicate a very serious situation.
http:///forum/post/3270479
I took Rush’s comments as not stating enough. I agree that the ecology can clean itself up like he said BUT I would have added that the oil could potentially have a catastrophic impact that could take many years to clean itself up. I know humans will help speed the cleanup process so that the many years could be shorten.
The disasterous impact, which can locally devistate ecology was not left uncovered. There is a deeper point to the within the "founder's intent of government" statement.
The conservative argument is, one of the government's roles, enumerated in the constitution, is in times of distress (like this) to step in and develop, or help develop a solution. In this case in my opinion that would be - to work in tandem with BP, providing the deep sea technology, and manpower to help with the clean up.
Government intervention from a conservative's viewpoint, is not taken lightly. And suggesting government action, would indicate a very serious situation.
mrdc
Active Member
Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/3270491
Government intervention from a conservative's viewpoint, is not taken lightly. And suggesting government action, would indicate a very serious situation.
I guess that does speak volumes when a conservative suggests gov't interevention.
http:///forum/post/3270491
Government intervention from a conservative's viewpoint, is not taken lightly. And suggesting government action, would indicate a very serious situation.
I guess that does speak volumes when a conservative suggests gov't interevention.
stdreb27
Active Member
Originally Posted by mrdc
http:///forum/post/3270479
I agree the ocean breaks down every day but I think too much is coming out for the ocean to handle quickly enough in order to prevent an ecological disaster. Now this is just my gut feeling since I am not a scientist. I also understand that oil and natural gas leech all the time and the oceans can handle it but this leech probably isn’t on such a large scale as the current oil leak. Again, just my guess. I took the can’t see it from the beach comment sort of as a minimalizing comment. I took it as him saying people are just overreacting and there is nothing to worry about since the oil isn’t even hitting the shores yet. I would have said that people need to do all they can to prevent the oil from washing ashore. At most this could be a preventative measure to help ensure less potential damage.
I really haven't found any source that I would consider to single source the numbers. But a common number I"ve seen just for the gulf is 5000 barrels of oil a day. That is not an insignificant amount of oil.
(albeit it is spread over various locations in the whole gulf, vs spewing from a single source) Which kind of echoes the point made by the BP CEO. The oil spread out over all the gulf isn't really going to screw everything up that much...
http:///forum/post/3270479
I agree the ocean breaks down every day but I think too much is coming out for the ocean to handle quickly enough in order to prevent an ecological disaster. Now this is just my gut feeling since I am not a scientist. I also understand that oil and natural gas leech all the time and the oceans can handle it but this leech probably isn’t on such a large scale as the current oil leak. Again, just my guess. I took the can’t see it from the beach comment sort of as a minimalizing comment. I took it as him saying people are just overreacting and there is nothing to worry about since the oil isn’t even hitting the shores yet. I would have said that people need to do all they can to prevent the oil from washing ashore. At most this could be a preventative measure to help ensure less potential damage.
I really haven't found any source that I would consider to single source the numbers. But a common number I"ve seen just for the gulf is 5000 barrels of oil a day. That is not an insignificant amount of oil.
(albeit it is spread over various locations in the whole gulf, vs spewing from a single source) Which kind of echoes the point made by the BP CEO. The oil spread out over all the gulf isn't really going to screw everything up that much...