Anyone homeschool out there?
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dskidmore
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Originally Posted by pwnag3!!
So your Saying that teaching evolution in school is basically brainwashing?
When going to church as a little child being force fed jesus and the bible is not?
Any kind of education will be called brainwashing by those who disagree with the teaching.
Who are you to teach children that plants are green and the sky is blue? Do you really know if those are the proper names for colors, or did your society force those names on you? Whatever....
Everyone should make it a point to teach thier own children what they believe from the very begining, no matter wether they learn math and reading at school or at home. I drove my biology teacher nuts because I kept insisting on all my tests and papers that evolution was a theory that is yet to be proven. I got As through his class, but even the multiple chioce questions had scribbles added by me because he hadn't given me enough evidence to turn the theory into fact. If your children are well grounded, they will stick to the truth when someone tries to teach them diffrent. They may even be able to spread the truth to others.
So your Saying that teaching evolution in school is basically brainwashing?
When going to church as a little child being force fed jesus and the bible is not?
Any kind of education will be called brainwashing by those who disagree with the teaching.
Who are you to teach children that plants are green and the sky is blue? Do you really know if those are the proper names for colors, or did your society force those names on you? Whatever....
Everyone should make it a point to teach thier own children what they believe from the very begining, no matter wether they learn math and reading at school or at home. I drove my biology teacher nuts because I kept insisting on all my tests and papers that evolution was a theory that is yet to be proven. I got As through his class, but even the multiple chioce questions had scribbles added by me because he hadn't given me enough evidence to turn the theory into fact. If your children are well grounded, they will stick to the truth when someone tries to teach them diffrent. They may even be able to spread the truth to others.
lovethesea
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Originally Posted by pwnag3!!
wow i guess your right... i totally never saw it that way. besides wine sucks... drink whiskey!
wow i guess your right... i totally never saw it that way. besides wine sucks... drink whiskey!
lovethesea
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Schneidts: When you home school, just make sure you don't lead them to beleive that they are above anyone and they will be successful. As you can see, there are a few individuals that are home schooled that are taught that they are the superior ones in their smarts and wisdom.
As long as your children are well rounded, decent ,individuals ,thats all that you can ask of any human and you can applaud yourself as a parent
As long as your children are well rounded, decent ,individuals ,thats all that you can ask of any human and you can applaud yourself as a parent
bobothewizard
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I went to public school and im happy to say i have a 6 figure income, for what its worth. Public schools are not that bad unless you live in the inner city i would guess. I lived in the sticks so public schools were half decent. Just dont knock all public schools.
schneidts
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Wow, I thought this thread died a few days ago (I'm not certain it didn't lol). I just thought I should respond since I was the thread starter. Umm...teachers are required to get their masters degree, and have a limited ammount of time to do so, in fact, some schools will pay or reimburse them for it. Our reasons to homeschool aren't largely influenced by Columbine, and other shools with similar atrocities. To us, that's not a reason to homeschool our kids, but it's certainly a plus not having to worry about that. For us, homeshooling has nothing to do with religion. In fact, I was a science major in college, and will definitely be teaching evolution to my children. I think Aaron said it best when he said that he drank the blood of his dead parents in the name of his dark lord...err...no, when he said that kids will fail if not motivated to succeed in the future.
Love, we will definitely do all we can to make sure they don't think they're better than everyone.
Love, we will definitely do all we can to make sure they don't think they're better than everyone.
schneidts
Active Member
It's called New York State. It is a requirement along with a certain number of hours of continuing education. New hires are allowed a certain number of years to complete this.
From the NYS Earlychildhood.org site for your review:
Professional Certificate: Within three years from receiving the Initial Certificate, the teacher must complete a master’s degree (bachelor’s degree plus approximately 30 credits) in a content core that includes at least 12 semester hours linking pedagogy and content in each of the areas of the State Learning Standards in English language arts; mathematics, science and technology; and social studies. Three years of teaching experience in a setting/s acceptable for this purpose is required for Professional Certification. Students who obtain a master’s degree immediately after their bachelor’s must obtain three years of experience prior to obtaining their professional certificate.
Continuing Education: New York State certified teachers have a mandatory requirement to complete 175 clock hours of acceptable professional development within every five years of classroom teaching service.
Also, from Teacherscount.org:
Certification Requirements
General
The requirements for teacher licensure/certification are set by each state. For information about the requirements in your state, click here and follow the links. While the state licensing requirements do differ among states, you will find that most states require teachers to fulfill the following requirements:
1. You must hold a bachelor's degree, and, in some states, a post-baccalaureate or master's degree. For elementary education, you will usually need either a major or minor in education (for B.A.) or a Masters in Education.
2. For secondary subjects, you will usually need a degree in the area you wish to teach. Complete an approved, accredited education program that fulfills student teaching and practicum requirements.
3. In addition to your major, you may be required to show proof of a strong liberal arts foundation. You will likely need to pass a state test or the PRAXIS exam. Some states also require proof that you have taken a variety of college courses in basic subject areas (English, math, science, social studies, and language), especially for obtaining licensure in elementary education.
From the NYS Earlychildhood.org site for your review:
Professional Certificate: Within three years from receiving the Initial Certificate, the teacher must complete a master’s degree (bachelor’s degree plus approximately 30 credits) in a content core that includes at least 12 semester hours linking pedagogy and content in each of the areas of the State Learning Standards in English language arts; mathematics, science and technology; and social studies. Three years of teaching experience in a setting/s acceptable for this purpose is required for Professional Certification. Students who obtain a master’s degree immediately after their bachelor’s must obtain three years of experience prior to obtaining their professional certificate.
Continuing Education: New York State certified teachers have a mandatory requirement to complete 175 clock hours of acceptable professional development within every five years of classroom teaching service.
Also, from Teacherscount.org:
Certification Requirements
General
The requirements for teacher licensure/certification are set by each state. For information about the requirements in your state, click here and follow the links. While the state licensing requirements do differ among states, you will find that most states require teachers to fulfill the following requirements:
1. You must hold a bachelor's degree, and, in some states, a post-baccalaureate or master's degree. For elementary education, you will usually need either a major or minor in education (for B.A.) or a Masters in Education.
2. For secondary subjects, you will usually need a degree in the area you wish to teach. Complete an approved, accredited education program that fulfills student teaching and practicum requirements.
3. In addition to your major, you may be required to show proof of a strong liberal arts foundation. You will likely need to pass a state test or the PRAXIS exam. Some states also require proof that you have taken a variety of college courses in basic subject areas (English, math, science, social studies, and language), especially for obtaining licensure in elementary education.
jer4916
Active Member
Originally Posted by schneidts
It's called New York State. It is a requirement along with a certain number of hours of continuing education. New hires are allowed a certain number of years to complete this.
From the NYS Earlychildhood.org site for your review:
Professional Certificate: Within three years from receiving the Initial Certificate, the teacher must complete a master’s degree (bachelor’s degree plus approximately 30 credits) in a content core that includes at least 12 semester hours linking pedagogy and content in each of the areas of the State Learning Standards in English language arts; mathematics, science and technology; and social studies. Three years of teaching experience in a setting/s acceptable for this purpose is required for Professional Certification. Students who obtain a master’s degree immediately after their bachelor’s must obtain three years of experience prior to obtaining their professional certificate.
Continuing Education: New York State certified teachers have a mandatory requirement to complete 175 clock hours of acceptable professional development within every five years of classroom teaching service.
Also, from Teacherscount.org:
Certification Requirements
General
The requirements for teacher licensure/certification are set by each state. For information about the requirements in your state, click here and follow the links. While the state licensing requirements do differ among states, you will find that most states require teachers to fulfill the following requirements:
1. You must hold a bachelor's degree, and, in some states, a post-baccalaureate or master's degree. For elementary education, you will usually need either a major or minor in education (for B.A.) or a Masters in Education.
2. For secondary subjects, you will usually need a degree in the area you wish to teach. Complete an approved, accredited education program that fulfills student teaching and practicum requirements.
3. In addition to your major, you may be required to show proof of a strong liberal arts foundation. You will likely need to pass a state test or the PRAXIS exam. Some states also require proof that you have taken a variety of college courses in basic subject areas (English, math, science, social studies, and language), especially for obtaining licensure in elementary education.
They dont have those requirements in Florida or Minn, or Iowa, or South Dakota... all places i've lived...sounds like they might have decent teachers there then.
It's called New York State. It is a requirement along with a certain number of hours of continuing education. New hires are allowed a certain number of years to complete this.
From the NYS Earlychildhood.org site for your review:
Professional Certificate: Within three years from receiving the Initial Certificate, the teacher must complete a master’s degree (bachelor’s degree plus approximately 30 credits) in a content core that includes at least 12 semester hours linking pedagogy and content in each of the areas of the State Learning Standards in English language arts; mathematics, science and technology; and social studies. Three years of teaching experience in a setting/s acceptable for this purpose is required for Professional Certification. Students who obtain a master’s degree immediately after their bachelor’s must obtain three years of experience prior to obtaining their professional certificate.
Continuing Education: New York State certified teachers have a mandatory requirement to complete 175 clock hours of acceptable professional development within every five years of classroom teaching service.
Also, from Teacherscount.org:
Certification Requirements
General
The requirements for teacher licensure/certification are set by each state. For information about the requirements in your state, click here and follow the links. While the state licensing requirements do differ among states, you will find that most states require teachers to fulfill the following requirements:
1. You must hold a bachelor's degree, and, in some states, a post-baccalaureate or master's degree. For elementary education, you will usually need either a major or minor in education (for B.A.) or a Masters in Education.
2. For secondary subjects, you will usually need a degree in the area you wish to teach. Complete an approved, accredited education program that fulfills student teaching and practicum requirements.
3. In addition to your major, you may be required to show proof of a strong liberal arts foundation. You will likely need to pass a state test or the PRAXIS exam. Some states also require proof that you have taken a variety of college courses in basic subject areas (English, math, science, social studies, and language), especially for obtaining licensure in elementary education.
They dont have those requirements in Florida or Minn, or Iowa, or South Dakota... all places i've lived...sounds like they might have decent teachers there then.
lovethesea
Active Member
like I said.......most of our teachers have masters degrees.
lovethesea
Active Member
Originally Posted by Jer4916
also note home-schooling is two words. Not one.
also note that class's is spelled classes
also note home-schooling is two words. Not one.
also note that class's is spelled classes
molamola
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But on the better side, my education was dramatically better then the Public school system. Which is taught by in my opinion worldly people that are there just for a paycheck With that in mind remember that Public schools teach evolution from day one, wither it be in Math, Science….etc all revolve around evolution which has not been proven, and is just as much a religion as any other denomination
I can assure you that plenty of teachers aren’t in it for the paycheck. Coming from a family of teachers, and being married to one as well, they are in it for the kids and nothing more. Each one of them made the conscious decision to pursue the field of education because they have been called to do so.
no, because public school teachers are not that well educated
I in no way shape or form have any respect for the public school system, if i would have been left in there system i would be most likely nothing more then a cook at a Burger King.
You know that every teacher needs to have at least a bachelors degree in the field of education. Many of those teachers would like to get a masters degree, but time and budget constraints don’t allow for it.
I happen to know someone that is home-schooling her kids, and she never set foot in a college. How is that any better of an education?
School systems are actually less likely to hire a teacher with a masters or doctorate because they have to pay them so much more,(I know from personal situations, I'm currently searching for a job as a professor at a college, and not one of them can pay me what I'm worth per year. But if i had a basic set of degrees they could pay me the base $40k.
Again, this is a load of malarkey. In Houston, a teacher with a masters gets an extra $2,000.00 a year. That’s hardly worth the money spent to get the degree.
Public schools teach the religion of worldlyness and evolution and nothing more.
Strange, I don’t remember this from my own education. I remember learning big bang, Darwinism, creationism, and evolution. I remember being taught “concepts,” not absolute truth. I also remember learning religious history. If you’re really training to become a minister, you will have learned about all the same concepts I would imagine, but it’s alright for you to know them, just not the rest of us.
You can raise your children the way you want, but my children will not step foot in a public school,they're completely Evil.
Yes, a place that welcomes all children (free of charge) allows them to learn (free of charge), feeds the kids that can’t afford to eat, provides a safe environment for eight hours a day (free of charge), challenges them to learn and interact (free of charge), and gives them the resources they need to achieve anything they set out to do (again, free of charge) must be an evil place.
Catholics are as different from Christians as Jews are. Similar doctrines but completely different beliefs. Which is understandable, Catholics don’t really preach on salvation, more of works than anything. How your taught is one thing, what you believe is another, how you react is completely another.
I don’t know what Catholic Church you went to, but the FUNDAMENTAL belief is still that Christ died for our sins. That is the focus and purpose of the entire Mass. It all centers around Eucharist and recalling our sins that Christ himself died for. Sure, works are a good thing, but I’ve never met a Catholic that thought their works alone would earn them a place in Heaven. Excuse us for placing a high value on works, and social justice, and humanitarianism. It’s always been my understanding (and I grew up Baptist) that every Christian Church should strive to do that. Now I know you’re going to call me an idolater for saying this, but if the Catholic Church was so focused on our works getting us to Heaven, you certainly wouldn’t see a Crucifix hanging above the Altar. You would likely see a portrait of Jesus putting aluminum siding on a little old lady’s house or something.
Sorry to be so longwinded. I think that public schools, their teachers, their students, and now Catholics have been unfairly judged and insulted. I think home-schooling, should you choose to undertake it, is a worthwhile form of education, and it really just boils down to each individual child and their needs. Good luck with it.
I can assure you that plenty of teachers aren’t in it for the paycheck. Coming from a family of teachers, and being married to one as well, they are in it for the kids and nothing more. Each one of them made the conscious decision to pursue the field of education because they have been called to do so.
no, because public school teachers are not that well educated
I in no way shape or form have any respect for the public school system, if i would have been left in there system i would be most likely nothing more then a cook at a Burger King.
You know that every teacher needs to have at least a bachelors degree in the field of education. Many of those teachers would like to get a masters degree, but time and budget constraints don’t allow for it.
I happen to know someone that is home-schooling her kids, and she never set foot in a college. How is that any better of an education?
School systems are actually less likely to hire a teacher with a masters or doctorate because they have to pay them so much more,(I know from personal situations, I'm currently searching for a job as a professor at a college, and not one of them can pay me what I'm worth per year. But if i had a basic set of degrees they could pay me the base $40k.
Again, this is a load of malarkey. In Houston, a teacher with a masters gets an extra $2,000.00 a year. That’s hardly worth the money spent to get the degree.
Public schools teach the religion of worldlyness and evolution and nothing more.
Strange, I don’t remember this from my own education. I remember learning big bang, Darwinism, creationism, and evolution. I remember being taught “concepts,” not absolute truth. I also remember learning religious history. If you’re really training to become a minister, you will have learned about all the same concepts I would imagine, but it’s alright for you to know them, just not the rest of us.
You can raise your children the way you want, but my children will not step foot in a public school,they're completely Evil.
Yes, a place that welcomes all children (free of charge) allows them to learn (free of charge), feeds the kids that can’t afford to eat, provides a safe environment for eight hours a day (free of charge), challenges them to learn and interact (free of charge), and gives them the resources they need to achieve anything they set out to do (again, free of charge) must be an evil place.
Catholics are as different from Christians as Jews are. Similar doctrines but completely different beliefs. Which is understandable, Catholics don’t really preach on salvation, more of works than anything. How your taught is one thing, what you believe is another, how you react is completely another.
I don’t know what Catholic Church you went to, but the FUNDAMENTAL belief is still that Christ died for our sins. That is the focus and purpose of the entire Mass. It all centers around Eucharist and recalling our sins that Christ himself died for. Sure, works are a good thing, but I’ve never met a Catholic that thought their works alone would earn them a place in Heaven. Excuse us for placing a high value on works, and social justice, and humanitarianism. It’s always been my understanding (and I grew up Baptist) that every Christian Church should strive to do that. Now I know you’re going to call me an idolater for saying this, but if the Catholic Church was so focused on our works getting us to Heaven, you certainly wouldn’t see a Crucifix hanging above the Altar. You would likely see a portrait of Jesus putting aluminum siding on a little old lady’s house or something.
Sorry to be so longwinded. I think that public schools, their teachers, their students, and now Catholics have been unfairly judged and insulted. I think home-schooling, should you choose to undertake it, is a worthwhile form of education, and it really just boils down to each individual child and their needs. Good luck with it.
ophiura
Active Member
Odd how this thread has turned....
I'll add to Molamola's list - those of us poor SOBs who make less than $40,000 a year and live on a budget. I find the comment about how "Christian" certain people are (or are not) at odds with the "wordlyness" comment. How "Christian" is it to pass judgements on teachers as a whole group....and focus on paychecks and having to live on a budget (as if it is some evil)? Frankly, not a "Christian" religion I wish to be a part of in any way. Alas, no "salvation" for me!!!
I have an advanced degree...and FWIW I am trained as an evolutionary biologist and a :scared: Catholic. I have tremendous respect for teachers, and tremendous respect for those who choose, for whatever reason, to home school their children. It is a decision I will make one day with my husband. At this time, we're leaning towards home schooling.
And I understand there are concerns about many schools, no doubt...but, IMO, parents and the admin of many schools take a HUGE part of the blame for that...the teachers can do little about it as far as I am concerned.
I do not pass judgement on the decision to home school, what faith people choose to follow, nor on the paycheck people get...I do not pass "deep" judgement on people based on how they spell, or whether they can or can not read - though I may not answer their fish questions if I'm annoyed.
Its God's challenge to me to control my judgemental side and reach out and help who I can, and share what gifts I have been given.
Do I make what I feel I am worth? No, LOL, who does??? But I also understand that my grades mean nothing in the real world all in all...my hard work, ethics and attitude will get me where I need to be. I don't worry about that. I have faith in the skills my Lord has given...that is, of course, the "Catholic Lord." I should clarify that so I can be judged and condemned and maybe explain why I make less than $40,000 a year
Yeah, maybe I should convert. I don't expect to be given a certain salary, nor am I entitled to a certain salary simply because I have a piece of paper on the wall in a nice frame, or because as a general rule
I LIKE PIE
Yes, it was time for that.....
I'll add to Molamola's list - those of us poor SOBs who make less than $40,000 a year and live on a budget. I find the comment about how "Christian" certain people are (or are not) at odds with the "wordlyness" comment. How "Christian" is it to pass judgements on teachers as a whole group....and focus on paychecks and having to live on a budget (as if it is some evil)? Frankly, not a "Christian" religion I wish to be a part of in any way. Alas, no "salvation" for me!!!
I have an advanced degree...and FWIW I am trained as an evolutionary biologist and a :scared: Catholic. I have tremendous respect for teachers, and tremendous respect for those who choose, for whatever reason, to home school their children. It is a decision I will make one day with my husband. At this time, we're leaning towards home schooling.
And I understand there are concerns about many schools, no doubt...but, IMO, parents and the admin of many schools take a HUGE part of the blame for that...the teachers can do little about it as far as I am concerned.
I do not pass judgement on the decision to home school, what faith people choose to follow, nor on the paycheck people get...I do not pass "deep" judgement on people based on how they spell, or whether they can or can not read - though I may not answer their fish questions if I'm annoyed.
Do I make what I feel I am worth? No, LOL, who does??? But I also understand that my grades mean nothing in the real world all in all...my hard work, ethics and attitude will get me where I need to be. I don't worry about that. I have faith in the skills my Lord has given...that is, of course, the "Catholic Lord." I should clarify that so I can be judged and condemned and maybe explain why I make less than $40,000 a year
I LIKE PIE
Yes, it was time for that.....
ophiura
Active Member
I forgot this guy
Yes, quite appropriate
PIE, Oh MIE!!!! (I spent time in public high school.....I have some poetry experience but can't spell. Such trade offs).
Also, I tried to draw a pie on my basic "paint" program but then realized that there were loads of people - quite possibly educated in public schools - who could do it far better.
PIE, Oh MIE!!!! (I spent time in public high school.....I have some poetry experience but can't spell. Such trade offs).
Also, I tried to draw a pie on my basic "paint" program but then realized that there were loads of people - quite possibly educated in public schools - who could do it far better.
lovethesea
Active Member
Originally Posted by ophiura
Also, I tried to draw a pie on my basic "paint" program but then realized that there were loads of people - quite possibly educated in public schools - who could do it far better.
Oh, pie sounds good right about now...........coconut cream pie!! :joy:
Also, I tried to draw a pie on my basic "paint" program but then realized that there were loads of people - quite possibly educated in public schools - who could do it far better.
Oh, pie sounds good right about now...........coconut cream pie!! :joy: