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tangman99

Active Member
Yes, sir. Better have a tube of preparation H handy unless something changes between now and then. But to be honest, mines been pretty numb now for a while.
 

cowfishrule

Active Member
good. in a small way, i hope the big 3 go bust. serves them right.
but, its the workers that suffer, not the company.
 

kogle

Member
Good point CFR. I'm still against reward businesses for bad business practices. I guess the good thing is if they go bust they can dump the union in their restructuring.
 

lovethesea

Active Member
once again the UAW will walk these folks down a bad path. Tons of companies are asking for wage cuts, wage freezes, higher insurance costs all in the name of saving your job. MOST people would jump at the chance and deal with it right now until this ship can right itself. BUT.....NO!! Most of these folks didn't even take advantage of the car companies educational refund program. Get your college education while working. What a horrid thing to offer your employees, so that they might have something for a day such as this.
 

t316

Active Member
Yes, I found it interesting that the reason the bailout failed was b/c the UAW refused to take wage cuts right away.....

This is pure greed. With all of the folks unemployed out there right now, would you rather take a cut, or not have a job....

Just like the financial bailout though, I'm sure this will be right back on the table next week with modifications.
 

renogaw

Active Member
they didn't want to take pay cuts because the top executives will still get their bonuses and high paychecks. why should the masses lower their pays but the rich top execs keep getting all the money?
 

bang guy

Moderator
Originally Posted by renogaw
http:///forum/post/2873331
they didn't want to take pay cuts because the top executives will still get their bonuses and high paychecks. why should the masses lower their pays but the rich top execs keep getting all the money?
To stay employed?
 

renogaw

Active Member
Originally Posted by Bang Guy
http:///forum/post/2873348
To stay employed?
but what's the % that's going to get cut? with their contract they will still get unemployment benies... they are playing the high numbers game... not everyone will lose their job, but EVERYONE will lose paycheck dollars. so why should EVERYONE lose out when the top execs arent? that's their mentality
 

crimzy

Active Member
It's rare to see so much ignorance and arrogance from the posters on here.

Many of you celebrating this bailout failure were arguiing FOR the bailout of financial institutions. Now, because you were wrong about bailing out the financial institutions, you want to punish the big 3. And to be so excited about the prospect of hundreds of thousands of working class people losing their homes, retirements, health care... of course it's easy to be selfish SOB's when this decision doesn't directly affect YOU.

I'm not really surprised that the bailout didn't pass. Of course, the balance of power has swung too far in favor of labor and the companies cannot compete with their costs in the current marketplace. And the Senate, like many of you, are punishing the big 3 for their poor decisions regarding the banks. If this happened a year ago, the bailout would have passed easily and wouldn't even have been big news.
Be aware that this country is now risking the loss of $50 billion in tax revenue from these workers. Michigan has been in recession long before the rest of the country, has been near the top in unemployment, foreclosures, etc. But be aware that the big 3's demise will hit ancillary businesses all over the country. In Michigan, we will immediately see the loss of small businesses, such as retail establishments, restaurants, etc. Nationally, the suppliers, trucking co's, and many others will feel the impact.
So to anyone who thinks it's funny to celebrate this situation and laugh at the potential demise of the big 3... Go **** yourself!
 

lovethesea

Active Member
bonus will be out. Probably a restructure of all pay levels especially at the top. The big guys already did it...so I am sure it will come. Most companies now actually make you prove your worth/performance in order to get a bonus.
These 3 will not escape change if they want our money. ALSO, I say bring back the van plant that they moved to Canada and the other plant that was moved to Mexico. My tax dollars to bailout companies that are not supporting jobs or worse, continuing to elimate jobs here.
 

bang guy

Moderator
Originally Posted by crimzy
http:///forum/post/2873359
It's rare to see so much ignorance and arrogance from the posters on here.

Many of you celebrating this bailout failure were arguiing FOR the bailout of financial institutions.
I think you just made that up.
 

aquaknight

Active Member
For once, I more or less agree with everything crimzy said (even if a bit less dramatic). Scary... People think that the bonuses of a handful of executives remote equal the cuts GM has repeadtly asked for, from it's quarter million employees.
 

stdreb27

Active Member
Originally Posted by COWFISHRULE
http:///forum/post/2873300
good. in a small way, i hope the big 3 go bust. serves them right.
but, its the workers that suffer, not the company.
The workers have made their bed. They get to lie in it.
Originally Posted by T316
http:///forum/post/2873323
Just like the financial bailout though, I'm sure this will be right back on the table next week with modifications.
I tend to agree with this.
Originally Posted by renogaw

http:///forum/post/2873331
they didn't want to take pay cuts because the top executives will still get their bonuses and high paychecks. why should the masses lower their pays but the rich top execs keep getting all the money?
The execs were going to lower their pay as well...
Originally Posted by renogaw

http:///forum/post/2873352
but what's the % that's going to get cut? with their contract they will still get unemployment benies... they are playing the high numbers game... not everyone will lose their job, but EVERYONE will lose paycheck dollars. so why should EVERYONE lose out when the top execs arent? that's their mentality
It is a poker game, the problem is if they go bankrupt, GM will still be there, but their contracts with the unions will be voided and they'll go back to the negotiating table. As vastly worse terms. Personally I think the UAW is betting they have enough politicians in their corner to buy the vote...
 

bang guy

Moderator
Originally Posted by renogaw
http:///forum/post/2873352
but what's the % that's going to get cut? with their contract they will still get unemployment benies... they are playing the high numbers game... not everyone will lose their job, but EVERYONE will lose paycheck dollars. so why should EVERYONE lose out when the top execs arent? that's their mentality
What's unemployment? $400 a week? You're saying they would rather make $400 a week with unemployment instead of $40 an hour to "show them"? If that's their attitude then yeah,

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'em. I'm not convinced it's the average working stiff making this decision though.
If it's just the UAW flexing muscle and they're not actually speaking for the average Joe then the UAW isn't really helping the workers anymore.
 

lovethesea

Active Member
I thought I read where one of the companies had a yearly fund of 100million set aside for bonuses for execs.
 
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