Originally Posted by
Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/2873397
Crimzy, maybe you should read this article released in 2005 before you start defending the validaty of some of these jobs. Keep in mnd the schooling and money YOU had to dish out to make the pay you do. Then compare that to the GED holding wages these guys earn.
National Review:
Massive job cuts at General Motors, America's largest carmaker — coupled with the bankruptcy of Delphi, America's biggest autoparts maker — have provoked predictable handwringing from liberal pundits who worry that America is "losing its manufacturing base." But the wrenching change now buffeting the auto industry defies the usual press formulas. Just listen to Steve Miller a turnaround specialist who is steering Delphi's restructuring process. He exploded the myth of America's "endangered" union manufacturing jobs at his October press conference announcing Delphi's move into Chapter 11: "We cannot continue to pay $65 an hour for someone to cut the grass and remain competitive."
Take grass cutting. As defined by the current United Auto Worker contract negotiated with the "Big Five" (GM, Ford, Chrysler, and top parts makers Delphi and Visteon), an auto "production worker" is a job description that covers anything from mowing grass to cleaning the toilets. In the real world, these jobs would be outsourced to $8 an hour, no-benefit wage earners, but on Planet Big Five, these jobs get the same wages as any auto line-worker: an average $26 an hour ($60,000 a year) plus benefits that bring the company's total cost per worker to a staggering $65 an hour.
But at least the grass cutters are working for their pay. The UAW contract also guarantees that 12,000 autoworkers get full wage for doing nothing. On the heels of Miller's straight-talk, the Detroit News reported that "12,000 American autoworkers, instead of bending sheet metal, spend their days counting the hours in a jobs bank." These aren't jobs. And they certainly aren't being "lost" to China.
"We just go in (to Ford's Michigan Truck Plant) and play crossword puzzles, watch videos that someone brings in or read the newspaper," The News quoted one UAW worker as saying. "Otherwise, I've just sat."
The coming months will be painful for many American autoworkers. Accustomed to a certain lifestyle, they will see their wages cut in half, jeopardizing second homes, college tuitions, and car payments. One blue-collar Delphi worker interviewed by the Detroit News makes $103,000 a year operating a forklift and fears the consequences if his pay is drastically reduced. But many Americans will ask how a forklift operator felt entitled to a six-figure income in the first place (according to Bureau of Labor Statistics, the average forklift operator wage in the U.S. is $26,000).
It is an opportune time for political leadership to step to the plate and speak with candor, but the signs are not encouraging.
- November 29, 2005, Labor Pains, Detroit needs to play by market rules. By Henry Payne
Source(s):
The Indianapolis Star and the National Review
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Originally Posted by
Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/2873403
another one for you crimzy the breaks down a few more things.
http://www.dailyestimate.com/article...darticle=17042
I don't really see where we disagree on anything here. The UAW and labor costs are a major problem that has caused the Big 3 to be unable to compete. The UAW and its control within the Big 3 must be restructured. These companies cannot compete with their current costs. I don't disagree here.
My main issue is with the celebration of the prospect of the failure of 1 or more of the Big 3. The Big 3 need to change their ways... no doubt about that. But to laugh, mock or hope that any of these companies go under...
That's just ignorance of the impact of something like that, or simply a lack of caring. Anybody who would laugh or mock the Big 3's failure... I would laugh my a$$ off when the provider in your family loses his/her job. It's not so funny when it happens to you.
