Auto Bailot Just Failed!

t316

t316

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Originally Posted by jpa0741
http:///forum/post/2874328
Now that is just a flat out insult. I am not ignorant. Changes are being made. That is a fact. How can you say robot employees. I would love to see you come do my skilled job for less the $20 an hour. I worked hard to learn my trade. And you will still pay with your tax when you are paying for unemployment.
And changes should be made, starting with the total expulsion of all Union contracts. Why can't the employees of Ford work like any other employee in the world, ie...you mess up, you get fired, no union to back you up and keep paying you. I don't think you get it (or maybe I'm not getting it), but the unions are what's causing the outragious $/per/hr costs. If Toyota can do it, why can't Ford and the others do it? Who guaranteed me the right to all of these benefits?
I say "robot employees" because that is exactly what most of these plants appear to be. I never said that you didn't work hard to learn your trade. With all due respect (not even knowing what position you hold within the co.), I'm sure that you did work hard to learn your trade with respect to your position, but do you really think that Ford could not train me to do your job within a few weeks, if not less, for less money? I would not be as proficient as you, and my quality of work would not be up to your's at first, but I think I could keep production going so as the co. doesn't fail. That is the false mind set that the Union's have put into your heads....that you are indespensible.
 
mimzy

mimzy

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so... when's the government gonna bail out my husband's job? or my father's? or my neighbor's or my physical therapist's husband's?
it's called capitalism. everyone was all up in arms about "socialism" before the election, and now that the government finally does something capitalist everyone looses their minds b/c of the jobs that will be lost.
get over it.
times are hard everywhere. we won't have good businesses until the bad ones are weeded out. new industries will form. new jobs will pop up. it's all a cycle. and no, im not sitting pretty talking about it from the comfort of my fancy schmancy what-have you; i'm directly effected by the current economic situation myself. but you don't see me moaning. we can't keep shoddy industries going just to keep the jobs - otherwise, heck, why don't we get rid of assembly line robots? they took away the jobs from the humans who used to assemble things! and why don't we get rid of combines on farms?? they took over the jobs of hundreds of thousands of people!!!
there is no progress without change. its going to suck for a while but it will get better and everyone just needs to sit tight, be creative and get their butts in gear for the next era. move forward.
 
stdreb27

stdreb27

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Originally Posted by T316
http:///forum/post/2874319
I say this is a pile of crap. I drive an F250 mind you, and have no problem supporting American made products. But you are talking from an insider position, and I am coming from the American masses that are tired of seeing Unions suck us dry for handouts. With all due respect, I fully believe that you are convinced that your co. is doing all good, as it is their job to convince you of that. But what you can't see (from the outside looking in) is that your co.'s Unions are brainwashing their robot employees into this mentality that puts $ into the top dog pockets and gives you guys the unrealistic false sense of security that if anything fails, the Gov. will bail us out. Well that part about the 'Gov. bailing us out' is ME....that's my tax, my future, and I ain't paying for it.
Where is the clapping smiley when you need one?
 
bang guy

bang guy

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Originally Posted by jpa0741
http:///forum/post/2874328
Now that is just a flat out insult. I am not ignorant. Changes are being made. That is a fact. How can you say robot employees. I would love to see you come do my skilled job for less the $20 an hour. I worked hard to learn my trade. And you will still pay with your tax when you are paying for unemployment.
Ford started making changes and negotiating with the UAW 6 years ago. They should be applauded. They are also not on the brink of bankruptcy like GM and Chrysler. As I recall, Ford isn't asking for a loan to continue operating so you shouldn't be insulted when taxpayers declair they don't want to loan money to a manufacturer that isn't willing to change business practices. Ford already did it.
They are not talking about Ford....
 
darknes

darknes

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Originally Posted by jpa0741
http:///forum/post/2874308
I work for Ford. I am very disappointed in many people here. Alot of poeple take what they hear on tv and think it to be true. Know the facts before you talk sh-t. Yes they need to make changes and yes they have been in the last 10 years. I see it first hand. They have the tools in place to be profitable but won't until the economy turns around. Which in turn is the governments fault. The UNION IS NOT WHY THE BIG 3 ARE IN THIS POSITION. Some of this talk about lazy UAW workers is a bunch of bull and I take offense to it. We have and continue to give back for the good of the company. How many of you writing have not had a raise in 7 years. I am not going to sit and argue this all day. These are tough times for many many families and people need to have a little consideration when they run their mouth. We also need to support fellow Americans more then ever.
I think you are misunderstanding a lot of the argument. I'm not a fan of unions but if a company wants them, that's fine. If a company wants to pay their CEO $50 billion a year, that's great. If they pay janitors six-figures a year, good for them.
My problem is that this is a capitalist economy, and the government has NO business bailing out a failing company. FORD has said they don't need the money, and I commend that.
If GM or Chrysler take any money from the government I will never buy one of their products again.
 
1journeyman

1journeyman

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Originally Posted by jpa0741
http:///forum/post/2874308
I work for Ford. I am very disappointed in many people here. Alot of poeple take what they hear on tv and think it to be true. Know the facts before you talk sh-t. Yes they need to make changes and yes they have been in the last 10 years. I see it first hand. They have the tools in place to be profitable but won't until the economy turns around. Which in turn is the governments fault. The UNION IS NOT WHY THE BIG 3 ARE IN THIS POSITION. Some of this talk about lazy UAW workers is a bunch of bull and I take offense to it. We have and continue to give back for the good of the company. How many of you writing have not had a raise in 7 years. I am not going to sit and argue this all day. These are tough times for many many families and people need to have a little consideration when they run their mouth. We also need to support fellow Americans more then ever.
When was the last Quarter Ford was profitable? When was the last time GM made a profit?
Your post sounds like the global recession is what is hurting the major auto industries. I'm sorry, but that is not how I see it. Detroit has been dying for years. This last "recession" may be the final nail in the coffin, but it is certainly not the root cause.
I drive a V8 Chevy when I am home, btw.
 
stdreb27

stdreb27

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That is a good and overlooked point. The big 3 have been having serious problems for years now. And it is finally coming to a head. It has very little to do with the instability in the financial markets. Other than they've maxed out all their credit cards (figuratively speaking) and no one wants to loan them more money.
 
bang guy

bang guy

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Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2874784
That is a good and overlooked point. The big 3 have been having serious problems for years now. And it is finally coming to a head. It has very little to do with the instability in the financial markets. Other than they've maxed out all their credit cards (figuratively speaking) and no one wants to loan them more money.

Good analogy. They need to change the WAY they operate. I understand the desire to continue living high on the hog but when a high school dropout makes more than a tenured PHD professor there's something wrong with the system.
 
stdreb27

stdreb27

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We should make a pool to see how long before we are in this same boat, when we have congress with a governing interest in the auto makers and they stop selling things people want like trucks and start selling electric cars...
 
t316

t316

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Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2874728
I'm sorry, but that is not how I see it. Detroit has been dying for years. This last "recession" may be the final nail in the coffin, but it is certainly not the root cause.
 
darknes

darknes

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Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2874861
We should make a pool to see how long before we are in this same boat, when we have congress with a governing interest in the auto makers and they stop selling things people want like trucks and start selling electric cars...
Does the buyer REALLY want an electric car?? I don't think I would want one, at least not the electric cars being made today.
 
veni vidi vici

veni vidi vici

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Originally Posted by Bang Guy
http:///forum/post/2874792
I understand the desire to continue living high on the hog but when a high school dropout makes more than a tenured PHD professor there's something wrong with the system.
I have to disagree with you on this point Bang,Since when is it a qualification to have a extensive education to earn a decent or a massive amount of money?I would argue that there are a lot of very wealth people out there that had little to no education but had an idea and dedication to built companies or businesses and fortunes from the ground up.
 
ironeagle2006

ironeagle2006

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If you want to see what the DEATH of the US Auto Industry will look like LOOK AT THE STEEL INDUSTRY in the late 70's. My father was hauling steel at the time for the company he was driving for and there was a blown light in the cab of the crane and a block of wood that was blocking the tracks the crane used to move to load the trucks. HE HAD TO WAIT 14 HOURS FOR AN ELECTRICAN TO SHOWUP TO CHANGE THE LIGHT BULB IN THE CAB AND IT WAS THE CAB LIGHT NOT A LIGHT ON THE PANEL. THEN HE LOST ANOTHER 4 HOURS WAITING ON A LABORER TO MOVE THAT BLOCK OF WOOD HE OFFERED TO MOVE THE WOOD TO HELP THE CREW OUT AND WAS TOLD YOU DO THAT THE UNION WILL SEE TOP IT THAT YOUR COMPANY LOSSES ITS CONTRACT HERE.
 
veni vidi vici

veni vidi vici

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Originally Posted by ironeagle2006
http:///forum/post/2875604
If you want to see what the DEATH of the US Auto Industry will look like LOOK AT THE STEEL INDUSTRY in the late 70's. My father was hauling steel at the time for the company he was driving for and there was a blown light in the cab of the crane and a block of wood that was blocking the tracks the crane used to move to load the trucks. HE HAD TO WAIT 14 HOURS FOR AN ELECTRICAN TO SHOWUP TO CHANGE THE LIGHT BULB IN THE CAB AND IT WAS THE CAB LIGHT NOT A LIGHT ON THE PANEL. THEN HE LOST ANOTHER 4 HOURS WAITING ON A LABORER TO MOVE THAT BLOCK OF WOOD HE OFFERED TO MOVE THE WOOD TO HELP THE CREW OUT AND WAS TOLD YOU DO THAT THE UNION WILL SEE TOP IT THAT YOUR COMPANY LOSSES ITS CONTRACT HERE.
Was your Dad a Teamster?Ill almost bet he was.
 
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