Best New Fish Under $100 Suggestions?
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stingrayjs
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All I can cay is wow, and shake my head over this post... :notsure:
grumpygils
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Originally Posted by Jam1e
haha .. yeah I don't think that's your tank .. but you know .. maybe sometime in the future
Sorry forgot to send Pic and took a call. Do you need my paypal account? Would you like more PICS?
Mc
haha .. yeah I don't think that's your tank .. but you know .. maybe sometime in the future
Sorry forgot to send Pic and took a call. Do you need my paypal account? Would you like more PICS?
Mc
grumpygils
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There they are.......stuffed in there with what little space and air they can get! Tank is a little bald because it has only been running for 2 weeks. Before the cycle police come out and start flaming, it did not need to cycle.
grumpygils
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Originally Posted by Jam1e
welll .. the corals look good
Sure there's not too many corals or fish in my 20? It does have 5 fish too!
welll .. the corals look good
Sure there's not too many corals or fish in my 20? It does have 5 fish too!
sk8r_dave
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Originally Posted by grumpygils
There they are.......stuffed in there with what little space and air they can get! Tank is a little bald because it has only been running for 2 weeks. Before the cycle police come out and start flaming, it did not need to cycle.
O.k did you start this thred to anoy people? Or do you really need help? Don't you know that tangs need a mature tank?Oh,and why do you believe that you shouldn't cycle? I'm not trying to be rude I just want to know.
There they are.......stuffed in there with what little space and air they can get! Tank is a little bald because it has only been running for 2 weeks. Before the cycle police come out and start flaming, it did not need to cycle.
O.k did you start this thred to anoy people? Or do you really need help? Don't you know that tangs need a mature tank?Oh,and why do you believe that you shouldn't cycle? I'm not trying to be rude I just want to know.
fishgeek01
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grumpygills, i will give you the benefit of the doubt when it comes to husbandry, your tanks do look very nice, i am just not sure about your practices for keeping fish that you know will need a bigger tank, however you do what you are doing, you are doing something good when it comes to your corals, very nice... and yes we can have differing opinions just as you said... but anyways props on the tanks
grumpygils
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Originally Posted by SK8R_DAVE
O.k did you start this thred to anoy people? Or do you really need help? Don't you know that tangs need a mature tank?Oh,and why do you believe that you shouldn't cycle? I'm not trying to be rude I just want to know.
Fish Geek....thank you! I had to demonstrate that I do take this hobby seriously!
SK8. I wanted peoples opinion but never said I would do as they say. If I did, half my coral would be dead by now. As for cycling, I just moved old tank to new tank and stand. All the same sand, rock, water, fuge, pads,scrubbers,uv, RODI, lights ect.... Water is tested dailey and has had 0 fluctuations. 0 Ammonia,Nitrite, nitrate, CA 428(yes, the lab is that accurate), bla,bla,bla. So no cyclyning was expected nor experienced. Tank has been up for 18 days.
O.k did you start this thred to anoy people? Or do you really need help? Don't you know that tangs need a mature tank?Oh,and why do you believe that you shouldn't cycle? I'm not trying to be rude I just want to know.
Fish Geek....thank you! I had to demonstrate that I do take this hobby seriously!
SK8. I wanted peoples opinion but never said I would do as they say. If I did, half my coral would be dead by now. As for cycling, I just moved old tank to new tank and stand. All the same sand, rock, water, fuge, pads,scrubbers,uv, RODI, lights ect.... Water is tested dailey and has had 0 fluctuations. 0 Ammonia,Nitrite, nitrate, CA 428(yes, the lab is that accurate), bla,bla,bla. So no cyclyning was expected nor experienced. Tank has been up for 18 days.
sk8r_dave
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Advice
pioinion given as to future action;information,news;formal notice of transaction;take advice seek it,act according to it.We're trying to give you our opinions baised on what we believe is best for you and your fish.And sorry about bugging you about cycling.The 20g looks good to.
pioinion given as to future action;information,news;formal notice of transaction;take advice seek it,act according to it.We're trying to give you our opinions baised on what we believe is best for you and your fish.And sorry about bugging you about cycling.The 20g looks good to.
grumpygils
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Originally Posted by Travis89
I do have to say that your tanks do look good, I just don't agree with keeping fish that will outgrow the tank that's all. Also why do you say that if you followed peoples advice the corals would be dead?
Don't get me wrong here, I have learned a ton from this site and several others. Each have people with more knowledge than I will ever have. On the other hand, when it comes to corals, there seems to be a wide varience on issues such as lighting,flow,chemicals,feeding,placement,capatability ect... Out of ten people that respond, you get 7 different answers. Eventually, the proponderance of the evidence arrives at the right answer (if there is one), but many are just flat out wrong. That is what is good about a board, you can weed through the answers and make your own decision.
MC
I do have to say that your tanks do look good, I just don't agree with keeping fish that will outgrow the tank that's all. Also why do you say that if you followed peoples advice the corals would be dead?
Don't get me wrong here, I have learned a ton from this site and several others. Each have people with more knowledge than I will ever have. On the other hand, when it comes to corals, there seems to be a wide varience on issues such as lighting,flow,chemicals,feeding,placement,capatability ect... Out of ten people that respond, you get 7 different answers. Eventually, the proponderance of the evidence arrives at the right answer (if there is one), but many are just flat out wrong. That is what is good about a board, you can weed through the answers and make your own decision.
MC
tang4me
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Well, this thread tops them all. Let me start by saying I'm a marine biologist with 30 yrs experience with fish/corals. I often logon to read the message boards on various topics to see what people have to say. This thread prompted me to join and comment.
I think the biggest mistake people make in these threads is they equate human feelings to the way a fish would feel. That is not a criticism, but it does lead to threads such as this one where people are arguing feelings versus facts. This leads to phrases like " you can do it, but your fish won't be happy" or " how would you feel living is a box, your fish will get stressed out and die." Being concerned about the health of a fish should be applauded, but applying human feelings to a fish leads to an abundance of misinformation. Having an extensive background with marine health, I thought it was important to comment on a few topics in this thread.
Please remember your aquarium fish in the wild live with constant stress to survive. They must find enough food, and avoid being eaten all the while. Their not happy at times, nor sad. It's all instinct. Eat, mate, and hide from predators.
The two main factors in marine aquariums for healthy fish are water quality and diet. Tank size is the most misunderstood topic I have seen in the boards. The arguments most of the time are simply not based on facts. I read a thread the other day where a person with a 75 gallon tank said they could not buy a yellow tang because their tank was to small. In the process telling a person with a 55 gallon not to either. That is simply not based on any marine factual information. Most of the tangs I see in saltwater stores are 2-4 inches. Water quality and diet will determine the tangs health. It will not be anymore "happy" in a 100 gallon tank versus a 55. Same factors will determine its health, water quality and diet. Granted you don't want to put a 18 inch tang in 29 gallon tank, but I'm not sure how this unwritten tank size rule got started. I guess from web sites, but those tank size requirements are all based on maximum size of fish. Upgrading tank size is just part of saltwater fish keeping.
Lets take grumpygills tanks. To the chagrin of this thread, I have to say he made some very valid points. His water quality and diet were exceptional. From the pics I saw the fish/coral looked healthy. That is all you can strive for in this hobby. To say his fish were "not happy" or "stressed out due to tank size" are just factually incorrect. That is based on human emotion. Those fish were all juvenile and had ample swimming room. Again, water quality and diet will determine their health. I assume Grumpy is testing his water quality parameters by ion chromatography, since he works at a lab. The metals would be by ICP trace instruments probably. That gives him the most precise readings available. It sounded like he had adequate filtration for his tanks to provide consistent water quality.
Keep in mind grumpy as your fish mature maintaining a stable water quality may become more difficult. From the looks of your tanks I'm sure you will be on top of it. It's obvious you have spent a significant amount of time and resources on your hobby.
I think the biggest mistake people make in these threads is they equate human feelings to the way a fish would feel. That is not a criticism, but it does lead to threads such as this one where people are arguing feelings versus facts. This leads to phrases like " you can do it, but your fish won't be happy" or " how would you feel living is a box, your fish will get stressed out and die." Being concerned about the health of a fish should be applauded, but applying human feelings to a fish leads to an abundance of misinformation. Having an extensive background with marine health, I thought it was important to comment on a few topics in this thread.
Please remember your aquarium fish in the wild live with constant stress to survive. They must find enough food, and avoid being eaten all the while. Their not happy at times, nor sad. It's all instinct. Eat, mate, and hide from predators.
The two main factors in marine aquariums for healthy fish are water quality and diet. Tank size is the most misunderstood topic I have seen in the boards. The arguments most of the time are simply not based on facts. I read a thread the other day where a person with a 75 gallon tank said they could not buy a yellow tang because their tank was to small. In the process telling a person with a 55 gallon not to either. That is simply not based on any marine factual information. Most of the tangs I see in saltwater stores are 2-4 inches. Water quality and diet will determine the tangs health. It will not be anymore "happy" in a 100 gallon tank versus a 55. Same factors will determine its health, water quality and diet. Granted you don't want to put a 18 inch tang in 29 gallon tank, but I'm not sure how this unwritten tank size rule got started. I guess from web sites, but those tank size requirements are all based on maximum size of fish. Upgrading tank size is just part of saltwater fish keeping.
Lets take grumpygills tanks. To the chagrin of this thread, I have to say he made some very valid points. His water quality and diet were exceptional. From the pics I saw the fish/coral looked healthy. That is all you can strive for in this hobby. To say his fish were "not happy" or "stressed out due to tank size" are just factually incorrect. That is based on human emotion. Those fish were all juvenile and had ample swimming room. Again, water quality and diet will determine their health. I assume Grumpy is testing his water quality parameters by ion chromatography, since he works at a lab. The metals would be by ICP trace instruments probably. That gives him the most precise readings available. It sounded like he had adequate filtration for his tanks to provide consistent water quality.
Keep in mind grumpy as your fish mature maintaining a stable water quality may become more difficult. From the looks of your tanks I'm sure you will be on top of it. It's obvious you have spent a significant amount of time and resources on your hobby.
teen
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i have to agree with this because it makes sense to me that a 2 inch blue hippo would be happier in say a 55 or 75 gallon tank because he has a limited amount of space that he has to look out for predators in. in my mind, the only thing hes thinking is what to eat next, and i hope i dont get eaten. when the tang hits 5 or 6 inches, now thats another story, because common sense would tell you the fish needs more room to swim.
and im not saying everybody run out and buy a tang for your 30 gallon tank, im just saying a mid size tank is suitable for SOME larger fish while in there juvenile state. hope thats understood :happyfish
oh, and back to the original question, i personally like six line wrasse, and you will never have to trade him in.
and im not saying everybody run out and buy a tang for your 30 gallon tank, im just saying a mid size tank is suitable for SOME larger fish while in there juvenile state. hope thats understood :happyfish
oh, and back to the original question, i personally like six line wrasse, and you will never have to trade him in.
grumpygils
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Originally Posted by TANG4me
Well, this thread tops them all. Let me start by saying I'm a marine biologist with 30 yrs experience with fish/corals. I often logon to read the message boards on various topics to see what people have to say. This thread prompted me to join and comment.
I think the biggest mistake people make in these threads is they equate human feelings to the way a fish would feel. That is not a criticism, but it does lead to threads such as this one where people are arguing feelings versus facts. This leads to phrases like " you can do it, but your fish won't be happy" or " how would you feel living is a box, your fish will get stressed out and die." Being concerned about the health of a fish should be applauded, but applying human feelings to a fish leads to an abundance of misinformation. Having an extensive background with marine health, I thought it was important to comment on a few topics in this thread.
Please remember your aquarium fish in the wild live with constant stress to survive. They must find enough food, and avoid being eaten all the while. Their not happy at times, nor sad. It's all instinct. Eat, mate, and hide from predators.
The two main factors in marine aquariums for healthy fish are water quality and diet. Tank size is the most misunderstood topic I have seen in the boards. The arguments most of the time are simply not based on facts. I read a thread the other day where a person with a 75 gallon tank said they could not buy a yellow tang because their tank was to small. In the process telling a person with a 55 gallon not to either. That is simply not based on any marine factual information. Most of the tangs I see in saltwater stores are 2-4 inches. Water quality and diet will determine the tangs health. It will not be anymore "happy" in a 100 gallon tank versus a 55. Same factors will determine its health, water quality and diet. Granted you don't want to put a 18 inch tang in 29 gallon tank, but I'm not sure how this unwritten tank size rule got started. I guess from web sites, but those tank size requirements are all based on maximum size of fish. Upgrading tank size is just part of saltwater fish keeping.
Lets take grumpygills tanks. To the chagrin of this thread, I have to say he made some very valid points. His water quality and diet were exceptional. From the pics I saw the fish/coral looked healthy. That is all you can strive for in this hobby. To say his fish were "not happy" or "stressed out due to tank size" are just factually incorrect. That is based on human emotion. Those fish were all juvenile and had ample swimming room. Again, water quality and diet will determine their health. I assume Grumpy is testing his water quality parameters by ion chromatography, since he works at a lab. The metals would be by ICP trace instruments probably. That gives him the most precise readings available. It sounded like he had adequate filtration for his tanks to provide consistent water quality.
Keep in mind grumpy as your fish mature maintaining a stable water quality may become more difficult. From the looks of your tanks I'm sure you will be on top of it. It's obvious you have spent a significant amount of time and resources on your hobby.
Who was that masked man!
Good good call on the testing. I use Ion Chromatography for the wet chemistry EPA Method 300.0, but an ICP/MS for the metals by EPA Method 200.8. I can test about 30 metals on each run. Every once in a while I will run Volatiles by low level 8260 with a detection limit of 0.5 ug/L (PPB).
Mc
Well, this thread tops them all. Let me start by saying I'm a marine biologist with 30 yrs experience with fish/corals. I often logon to read the message boards on various topics to see what people have to say. This thread prompted me to join and comment.
I think the biggest mistake people make in these threads is they equate human feelings to the way a fish would feel. That is not a criticism, but it does lead to threads such as this one where people are arguing feelings versus facts. This leads to phrases like " you can do it, but your fish won't be happy" or " how would you feel living is a box, your fish will get stressed out and die." Being concerned about the health of a fish should be applauded, but applying human feelings to a fish leads to an abundance of misinformation. Having an extensive background with marine health, I thought it was important to comment on a few topics in this thread.
Please remember your aquarium fish in the wild live with constant stress to survive. They must find enough food, and avoid being eaten all the while. Their not happy at times, nor sad. It's all instinct. Eat, mate, and hide from predators.
The two main factors in marine aquariums for healthy fish are water quality and diet. Tank size is the most misunderstood topic I have seen in the boards. The arguments most of the time are simply not based on facts. I read a thread the other day where a person with a 75 gallon tank said they could not buy a yellow tang because their tank was to small. In the process telling a person with a 55 gallon not to either. That is simply not based on any marine factual information. Most of the tangs I see in saltwater stores are 2-4 inches. Water quality and diet will determine the tangs health. It will not be anymore "happy" in a 100 gallon tank versus a 55. Same factors will determine its health, water quality and diet. Granted you don't want to put a 18 inch tang in 29 gallon tank, but I'm not sure how this unwritten tank size rule got started. I guess from web sites, but those tank size requirements are all based on maximum size of fish. Upgrading tank size is just part of saltwater fish keeping.
Lets take grumpygills tanks. To the chagrin of this thread, I have to say he made some very valid points. His water quality and diet were exceptional. From the pics I saw the fish/coral looked healthy. That is all you can strive for in this hobby. To say his fish were "not happy" or "stressed out due to tank size" are just factually incorrect. That is based on human emotion. Those fish were all juvenile and had ample swimming room. Again, water quality and diet will determine their health. I assume Grumpy is testing his water quality parameters by ion chromatography, since he works at a lab. The metals would be by ICP trace instruments probably. That gives him the most precise readings available. It sounded like he had adequate filtration for his tanks to provide consistent water quality.
Keep in mind grumpy as your fish mature maintaining a stable water quality may become more difficult. From the looks of your tanks I'm sure you will be on top of it. It's obvious you have spent a significant amount of time and resources on your hobby.
Who was that masked man!
Good good call on the testing. I use Ion Chromatography for the wet chemistry EPA Method 300.0, but an ICP/MS for the metals by EPA Method 200.8. I can test about 30 metals on each run. Every once in a while I will run Volatiles by low level 8260 with a detection limit of 0.5 ug/L (PPB).
Mc
grumpygils
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Originally Posted by Defect808
You know what I think.....I think Tang4Me is Grumpygills!!!!
. Just kidding
Hand writing is different! Ha Ha
You know what I think.....I think Tang4Me is Grumpygills!!!!
Hand writing is different! Ha Ha