Best New Fish Under $100 Suggestions?
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grumpygils
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Originally Posted by Defect808
yeah, that was a good touch to it, no one will know its you now.
If I was that good at writing, I would of opened that can of whoop --- earlier in the thread! I am a little too Type A to type that long! T4U, where art thou!
yeah, that was a good touch to it, no one will know its you now.
If I was that good at writing, I would of opened that can of whoop --- earlier in the thread! I am a little too Type A to type that long! T4U, where art thou!
ophiura
Active Member
I think the biggest mistake people make in these threads is they equate human feelings to the way a fish would feel. That is not a criticism, but it does lead to threads such as this one where people are arguing feelings versus facts. This leads to phrases like " you can do it, but your fish won't be happy" or " how would you feel living is a box, your fish will get stressed out and die." Being concerned about the health of a fish should be applauded, but applying human feelings to a fish leads to an abundance of misinformation
Thank you, thank you, thank you!!
This is a MAJOR issue in many of these threads, and it has cause many arguments in the past.
As an aside, I did not catch this thread earlier, and I apologize to grumpygils for that.
I would just like to ask that while you may disagree with people, please explain your point logically...do not call people names, or ignorant, etc. One, as demonstrated here, you may find your foot in your mouth.
But we prefer not to have such names on this board when we can prevent it. Everyone should be able to make their points in a mature way. I understand people are very passionate, but name calling in general tends to keep people from coming back and learning more. It is often counterproductive.
I never like the come back of "its not the ocean" in such threads. But it is clear that this hobbyist has not overstocked his tank. Now, MOST people who have such fish (esp the panther grouper) do not know about these fish an their potential issues. But be careful about jumping to conclusions, IMO.
Thank you, thank you, thank you!!
This is a MAJOR issue in many of these threads, and it has cause many arguments in the past.
As an aside, I did not catch this thread earlier, and I apologize to grumpygils for that.
I would just like to ask that while you may disagree with people, please explain your point logically...do not call people names, or ignorant, etc. One, as demonstrated here, you may find your foot in your mouth.
I never like the come back of "its not the ocean" in such threads. But it is clear that this hobbyist has not overstocked his tank. Now, MOST people who have such fish (esp the panther grouper) do not know about these fish an their potential issues. But be careful about jumping to conclusions, IMO.
whitey
Member
A few thoughts.
This Grumpy Gills fella started this thread by asking what 3 fish he could add to an already overstocked tank. I'm pretty sure this is where most the eyebrows were raised. I understand that some people are into keeping fish as juvenilles and trading them in later. However, fish feelings aside, I do believe this is irresponsible.
Fish thrive on consistency. Moving fish from place to place is not healthy. Water parameters, tank size, and tank mates are all things that have an effect on these fish and lead to stress. And how many people do you know that are looking for an 8 inch Panther Grouper? They are not easy to find homes for.
I'm willing to bet that this style of fish keeping leads to more deaths than giving fish a consistent home in a tank that can house them until maturity. I don't have any scientific facts to back this up, it's just an educated hunch.
I'm curious as to how many, if any, fish you have lost in this current set up. If the answer is zero, then I hope the good luck continues. If the answer is a substantial amount, and if this is the reason you give your LFS such good business, buying replacements, I'd ask you to re-evaluate your methods of involving yourself in this hobby.
JMO
This Grumpy Gills fella started this thread by asking what 3 fish he could add to an already overstocked tank. I'm pretty sure this is where most the eyebrows were raised. I understand that some people are into keeping fish as juvenilles and trading them in later. However, fish feelings aside, I do believe this is irresponsible.
Fish thrive on consistency. Moving fish from place to place is not healthy. Water parameters, tank size, and tank mates are all things that have an effect on these fish and lead to stress. And how many people do you know that are looking for an 8 inch Panther Grouper? They are not easy to find homes for.
I'm willing to bet that this style of fish keeping leads to more deaths than giving fish a consistent home in a tank that can house them until maturity. I don't have any scientific facts to back this up, it's just an educated hunch.
I'm curious as to how many, if any, fish you have lost in this current set up. If the answer is zero, then I hope the good luck continues. If the answer is a substantial amount, and if this is the reason you give your LFS such good business, buying replacements, I'd ask you to re-evaluate your methods of involving yourself in this hobby.
JMO
grumpygils
Active Member
Originally Posted by Whitey
A few thoughts.
This Grumpy Gills fella started this thread by asking what 3 fish he could add to an already overstocked tank. I'm pretty sure this is where most the eyebrows were raised. I understand that some people are into keeping fish as juvenilles and trading them in later. However, fish feelings aside, I do believe this is irresponsible.
Fish thrive on consistency. Moving fish from place to place is not healthy. Water parameters, tank size, and tank mates are all things that have an effect on these fish and lead to stress. And how many people do you know that are looking for an 8 inch Panther Grouper? They are not easy to find homes for.
I'm willing to bet that this style of fish keeping leads to more deaths than giving fish a consistent home in a tank that can house them until maturity. I don't have any scientific facts to back this up, it's just an educated hunch.
I'm curious as to how many, if any, fish you have lost in this current set up. If the answer is zero, then I hope the good luck continues. If the answer is a substantial amount, and if this is the reason you give your LFS such good business, buying replacements, I'd ask you to re-evaluate your methods of involving yourself in this hobby.
JMO
These are the original fish from day one. Panther and Huma Huma have a great future home at the LFS in one of their 480s. If the panther went in there now, he would be eaten. Now that would be stressful!
Mc
A few thoughts.
This Grumpy Gills fella started this thread by asking what 3 fish he could add to an already overstocked tank. I'm pretty sure this is where most the eyebrows were raised. I understand that some people are into keeping fish as juvenilles and trading them in later. However, fish feelings aside, I do believe this is irresponsible.
Fish thrive on consistency. Moving fish from place to place is not healthy. Water parameters, tank size, and tank mates are all things that have an effect on these fish and lead to stress. And how many people do you know that are looking for an 8 inch Panther Grouper? They are not easy to find homes for.
I'm willing to bet that this style of fish keeping leads to more deaths than giving fish a consistent home in a tank that can house them until maturity. I don't have any scientific facts to back this up, it's just an educated hunch.
I'm curious as to how many, if any, fish you have lost in this current set up. If the answer is zero, then I hope the good luck continues. If the answer is a substantial amount, and if this is the reason you give your LFS such good business, buying replacements, I'd ask you to re-evaluate your methods of involving yourself in this hobby.
JMO
These are the original fish from day one. Panther and Huma Huma have a great future home at the LFS in one of their 480s. If the panther went in there now, he would be eaten. Now that would be stressful!
Mc
grumpygils
Active Member
Originally Posted by ophiura
Thank you, thank you, thank you!!
This is a MAJOR issue in many of these threads, and it has cause many arguments in the past.
As an aside, I did not catch this thread earlier, and I apologize to grumpygils for that.
I would just like to ask that while you may disagree with people, please explain your point logically...do not call people names, or ignorant, etc. One, as demonstrated here, you may find your foot in your mouth.
But we prefer not to have such names on this board when we can prevent it. Everyone should be able to make their points in a mature way. I understand people are very passionate, but name calling in general tends to keep people from coming back and learning more. It is often counterproductive.
I never like the come back of "its not the ocean" in such threads. But it is clear that this hobbyist has not overstocked his tank. Now, MOST people who have such fish (esp the panther grouper) do not know about these fish an their potential issues. But be careful about jumping to conclusions, IMO.
O Thank you!
Thank you, thank you, thank you!!
This is a MAJOR issue in many of these threads, and it has cause many arguments in the past.
As an aside, I did not catch this thread earlier, and I apologize to grumpygils for that.
I would just like to ask that while you may disagree with people, please explain your point logically...do not call people names, or ignorant, etc. One, as demonstrated here, you may find your foot in your mouth.
I never like the come back of "its not the ocean" in such threads. But it is clear that this hobbyist has not overstocked his tank. Now, MOST people who have such fish (esp the panther grouper) do not know about these fish an their potential issues. But be careful about jumping to conclusions, IMO.
O Thank you!
rebeccabut
Member
Originally Posted by grumpygils
Sorry forgot to send Pic and took a call. Do you need my paypal account? Would you like more PICS?
Mc
lol. I just wanted to say this post and picture cracked me up and made my day. Nice tank. I want all your secrets now. In case you feel like sharing them: bmossmanATtamuDOTedu
Sorry forgot to send Pic and took a call. Do you need my paypal account? Would you like more PICS?
Mc
lol. I just wanted to say this post and picture cracked me up and made my day. Nice tank. I want all your secrets now. In case you feel like sharing them: bmossmanATtamuDOTedu
S
saltfreak4
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Can I just put my two cents in? I think that most of the people that keep tanks don't work in a lab. I think that most people don't keep on top of their testing even without working in a lab. This is just my personal opinion, but the views expressed by most are assuming a few things, that may not be true.
I think you can fix many problems with a bio-load if you were on top of it, and so can have many more fish/creatures in a tank because you are strictly watching the numbers everyday. As for the tangs and the other fish people say you can't keep in such and such a tank, this is new to me. When I kept fish years ago I had things that would make the sirens sound so loud that it would make you permanently deaf. I had NO LR I ran an underground filter only. I had occassionaly spikes and I used regular California tap water to do water changes and the like. But I was on top of the tank most of the time. Without tests you can see when the fish aren't doing well.
Good job with the tanks and I think this is a lesson in "if you are willing to really dedicate yourself to watch ing what the tank and fish are doing then you can have whatever you like." I thought the tang police where a little over the top and the fish won't be "happy" I never got. I have saved this mans post and will combat the tang police with it on a regular basis.
NICE TANKS! You are on top of everything that is going on with them, but I really think you are the exception not the rule.
I think you can fix many problems with a bio-load if you were on top of it, and so can have many more fish/creatures in a tank because you are strictly watching the numbers everyday. As for the tangs and the other fish people say you can't keep in such and such a tank, this is new to me. When I kept fish years ago I had things that would make the sirens sound so loud that it would make you permanently deaf. I had NO LR I ran an underground filter only. I had occassionaly spikes and I used regular California tap water to do water changes and the like. But I was on top of the tank most of the time. Without tests you can see when the fish aren't doing well.
Good job with the tanks and I think this is a lesson in "if you are willing to really dedicate yourself to watch ing what the tank and fish are doing then you can have whatever you like." I thought the tang police where a little over the top and the fish won't be "happy" I never got. I have saved this mans post and will combat the tang police with it on a regular basis.
NICE TANKS! You are on top of everything that is going on with them, but I really think you are the exception not the rule.
iluvswfish
Member
Thanks for this thread even though it got a little heated. I'm certainly not advocating cramming huge fish in tiny aquariums but, the tang police type folks are way out of hand. I was told the other day that I should only have 1 tang per 100 gallons. I think that's a bit conservative. Personally, I don't care for a giant tank with 2 or 3 lonely fish swimming around a mountain of LR. JMO, as long as the bioload is handled and the animals appear healthy we can probably stock a little heavily.
whitey
Member
Originally Posted by iluvswfish
Thanks for this thread even though it got a little heated. I'm certainly not advocating cramming huge fish in tiny aquariums but, the tang police type folks are way out of hand. I was told the other day that I should only have 1 tang per 100 gallons. I think that's a bit conservative. Personally, I don't care for a giant tank with 2 or 3 lonely fish swimming around a mountain of LR. JMO, as long as the bioload is handled and the animals appear healthy we can probably stock a little heavily.
Sorry, but it's not called being out of hand, it's called being responsible with the hobby.
There are a lot of times when you'll have a large tank with only 3 fish in it, sometimes only two. It simply depends on what fish they are. The people wanting to heavily stock their tanks are the ones that did little research before starting. They then learn that what they had dreamed of putting in their tank, simply is not possible. Then they become irresponsible and try it anway. Then fish die.
The person who told you one Tang per 100 gallons was not far off. It obviously depends entirely on what else is in the same tank, but most Tangs should have a 100 gallon or more tank. I am far from being a Tang policeman, but when people come here to learn, it's not a good idea to advise stocking a tank "a little heavily."
Thanks for this thread even though it got a little heated. I'm certainly not advocating cramming huge fish in tiny aquariums but, the tang police type folks are way out of hand. I was told the other day that I should only have 1 tang per 100 gallons. I think that's a bit conservative. Personally, I don't care for a giant tank with 2 or 3 lonely fish swimming around a mountain of LR. JMO, as long as the bioload is handled and the animals appear healthy we can probably stock a little heavily.
Sorry, but it's not called being out of hand, it's called being responsible with the hobby.
There are a lot of times when you'll have a large tank with only 3 fish in it, sometimes only two. It simply depends on what fish they are. The people wanting to heavily stock their tanks are the ones that did little research before starting. They then learn that what they had dreamed of putting in their tank, simply is not possible. Then they become irresponsible and try it anway. Then fish die.
The person who told you one Tang per 100 gallons was not far off. It obviously depends entirely on what else is in the same tank, but most Tangs should have a 100 gallon or more tank. I am far from being a Tang policeman, but when people come here to learn, it's not a good idea to advise stocking a tank "a little heavily."
hatessushi
Active Member
Nice tank by the way.
I just have 1 question. I thought triggers were pretty much for fish only tanks. Won't that trigger mess with your inverts?
I just have 1 question. I thought triggers were pretty much for fish only tanks. Won't that trigger mess with your inverts?
sharkbait9
Active Member
I’m so happy grumpygil burned jam1e. Good for you, I applaud you
:cheer:
. Your tanks look awesome and thriving with all the co-inhabitants. Keep it up and don’t let nay Sayers bum you out. Some could only wish their tanks looked that good. you should have said "pay up B*tch, that would have been classic
sharkbait9
Active Member
Originally Posted by xDave
I buy a new Rottweiler puppy every year. I dont really have room in my apartment for them to grow up so I get rid of them.
Hey when you sell one give me a shout i'll buy one
I buy a new Rottweiler puppy every year. I dont really have room in my apartment for them to grow up so I get rid of them.
Hey when you sell one give me a shout i'll buy one
specialk
New Member
Wow. People getting SERVED in this thread! All in good fun, though.
Just getting started reading about aquariums after a decade of only flyfishing for fish. I kept a Blue Tang (I remember it actually being a surgeonfish) and a Percula clown alive for 8 years in a 33 gallon tank along with various other buddies starting from the age of 9. The conventional wisdom at the time was one inch of fish for one gallon of water and I definitely maxed out my 33 inches of fish. The tank was primitive by today's standards - a biological filter under the gravel, one powerhead, an airstone, two big dead pieces of coral, crushed coral sand, no reverse osmosis water, and a decorative skull (which the clown loved before the anemone was introduced).
I like to think I had the original Blue Tang and Percula clown combo long before "Finding Nemo." Both fish fed right from my hand and were uncommonly tame. These fish seemed extremely happy in their 33 gallon home. They also had a Pearl Scale Butterlyfish that was their running mate for 4 years. Eventually, when Blue Tang and Percula (as they were cleverly named) died I think it was because of high school more than the size of the tank. But if a 9 year old can keep them alive that long in a tank that small it makes you wonder about this tank size thing.
Just getting started reading about aquariums after a decade of only flyfishing for fish. I kept a Blue Tang (I remember it actually being a surgeonfish) and a Percula clown alive for 8 years in a 33 gallon tank along with various other buddies starting from the age of 9. The conventional wisdom at the time was one inch of fish for one gallon of water and I definitely maxed out my 33 inches of fish. The tank was primitive by today's standards - a biological filter under the gravel, one powerhead, an airstone, two big dead pieces of coral, crushed coral sand, no reverse osmosis water, and a decorative skull (which the clown loved before the anemone was introduced).
I like to think I had the original Blue Tang and Percula clown combo long before "Finding Nemo." Both fish fed right from my hand and were uncommonly tame. These fish seemed extremely happy in their 33 gallon home. They also had a Pearl Scale Butterlyfish that was their running mate for 4 years. Eventually, when Blue Tang and Percula (as they were cleverly named) died I think it was because of high school more than the size of the tank. But if a 9 year old can keep them alive that long in a tank that small it makes you wonder about this tank size thing.
grumpygils
Active Member
Originally Posted by HatesSushi
Nice tank by the way.
I just have 1 question. I thought triggers were pretty much for fish only tanks. Won't that trigger mess with your inverts?
Not many in there. No shrimp and I have a few crabs but they have made it. Snails have been ok so far.
Nice tank by the way.
I just have 1 question. I thought triggers were pretty much for fish only tanks. Won't that trigger mess with your inverts?
Not many in there. No shrimp and I have a few crabs but they have made it. Snails have been ok so far.
grumpygils
Active Member
Originally Posted by sharkbait9
I’m so happy grumpygil burned jam1e. Good for you, I applaud you
:cheer:
. Your tanks look awesome and thriving with all the co-inhabitants. Keep it up and don’t let nay Sayers bum you out. Some could only wish their tanks looked that good. you should have said "pay up B*tch, that would have been classic
I thought of many things to say but I don't want to get bounced from the site. All in good fun though! Thanks!
MC
I’m so happy grumpygil burned jam1e. Good for you, I applaud you
I thought of many things to say but I don't want to get bounced from the site. All in good fun though! Thanks!
MC
grumpygils
Active Member
Originally Posted by xDave
I buy a new Rottweiler puppy every year. I dont really have room in my apartment for them to grow up so I get rid of them.
Dave, did I tell you about the 3 giraffes I am raising in my basement?
Mc
I buy a new Rottweiler puppy every year. I dont really have room in my apartment for them to grow up so I get rid of them.
Dave, did I tell you about the 3 giraffes I am raising in my basement?
Mc