beaslbob
Well-Known Member
wow it just keeps getting bigger and bigger. 
Will try to cut down the size.
Originally posted by bheron
Man, good stuff here.
yep
Bob, some answers to your questions below. However, I have to agree with jedininja in that, after all of these posts, I’m still not sure what you’re saying. Youre statements seem to jump back and forth and contradict each other. While you may be right in what you’re saying, none of it is as conclusive and clear as what the majority are saying.
To me my comments are consistant and clear. I think what the problem is that you and others simply don't agree. I didn't believe this either on my first tanks. But after only a few weeks of allowing plant life (fresh and salt) to flourish, i know something was better. Years later I was sure of it.
Some comments…:
First removing all copper is not necessary nor desirable. If you want to see copper in water stir you ro/di with a copper wire. – no idea what you mean here? Please explain.
not all copper needs to be removed. ro/di water will dissolve copper much faster than tap.
– copper failed my tank, not the lack of plant life. While it plants may have helped remove some copper, it would’ve happened gradually and after it killed everything. So why would I want copper in there?
As I said you simply do not think plant life will filter out the copper. IMO it filters out cooper extremely rapidily.
You are succeeding with a tank that uses ro/di water and plant life. – not entirely true. My tank has been up and running for about three months. Added plant life (chaeto) about 3 weeks ago.
If I am correct that is enough time for the chaeto to work.
Do you see where I am comming from? Your experience does not mean your tap water was at fault. Your second system will be much better because of the plant life. I do not
In order to troubleshoot what is wrong you must change one and only one thing at a time. You can not be sure if it was the input water or the plant life because you changed both. In my experience, I only added the plant life. Therefore, I am sure it was the plant life and only the plant life.
ainer_container">It is my firm opinion that the plant life not the input water will make the difference. Especially, with the way you used your original tap water. – this opinion, I know . Just am not clear why.
that is because you do not have my experience. Otherwise the why would not be relevant. To answer the why, the plant life filters out the toxins as it consumed the ammonia,nitrate,phosphates, and carbon dioxide.
I predict that you will have to dose calcium and many other things to keep you ph alk and calcium, mag in line. That is directly tied to the input water being stripped of those essential trace elements. – I can see this
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Two things to ad::
1) I’ll go dig up the test results and post them on here.
2) If anyone thinks it’s a good idea, I’ll run a test of my tap water with some chaeto to see if it removes copper. Basically, I’ll take a certain amount of my tap water, and place whatever amount you, bob, think I should place of chaeto inside the jar. Then, I’ll just let it sit and see how long it takes to remove the copper.
I’m not a scientist, so let me know if anyone thinks this simple test would answer the debate over plants removing copper from tap water.
That would be an excellent test. Just a quart jar would be sufficient. And be sure to mix the saltwater in a larger container. As a suggestion you might try a jar with just saltwater, a jar with just cheato, a jar with cheato and CC or crushed oyster shells, a jar with chaeto and LS. And aerate all the jars. and just place them where they can get 3-4 hours of sunlight. tha tway you can compare all them. But I am worried that the copper test kits may not be that accurate below 5-10 ppb. But if they are down to that level it should be ok anyway.
Naaaa that's a lot of work. You could simply set up a culture tank using your tapwater. Just a simply tupperware container. then after three weeks add a snale. If it lives then you have an indication it was the plants not the input water. Oh yea you could even use the garden hose again just to be sure. :thinking:
Will try to cut down the size.Originally posted by bheron
Man, good stuff here.
yep
Bob, some answers to your questions below. However, I have to agree with jedininja in that, after all of these posts, I’m still not sure what you’re saying. Youre statements seem to jump back and forth and contradict each other. While you may be right in what you’re saying, none of it is as conclusive and clear as what the majority are saying.
To me my comments are consistant and clear. I think what the problem is that you and others simply don't agree. I didn't believe this either on my first tanks. But after only a few weeks of allowing plant life (fresh and salt) to flourish, i know something was better. Years later I was sure of it.
Some comments…:
First removing all copper is not necessary nor desirable. If you want to see copper in water stir you ro/di with a copper wire. – no idea what you mean here? Please explain.
not all copper needs to be removed. ro/di water will dissolve copper much faster than tap.
– copper failed my tank, not the lack of plant life. While it plants may have helped remove some copper, it would’ve happened gradually and after it killed everything. So why would I want copper in there?
As I said you simply do not think plant life will filter out the copper. IMO it filters out cooper extremely rapidily.
You are succeeding with a tank that uses ro/di water and plant life. – not entirely true. My tank has been up and running for about three months. Added plant life (chaeto) about 3 weeks ago.
If I am correct that is enough time for the chaeto to work.
Do you see where I am comming from? Your experience does not mean your tap water was at fault. Your second system will be much better because of the plant life. I do not
In order to troubleshoot what is wrong you must change one and only one thing at a time. You can not be sure if it was the input water or the plant life because you changed both. In my experience, I only added the plant life. Therefore, I am sure it was the plant life and only the plant life.
ainer_container">It is my firm opinion that the plant life not the input water will make the difference. Especially, with the way you used your original tap water. – this opinion, I know . Just am not clear why.
that is because you do not have my experience. Otherwise the why would not be relevant. To answer the why, the plant life filters out the toxins as it consumed the ammonia,nitrate,phosphates, and carbon dioxide.
I predict that you will have to dose calcium and many other things to keep you ph alk and calcium, mag in line. That is directly tied to the input water being stripped of those essential trace elements. – I can see this
...
Two things to ad::
1) I’ll go dig up the test results and post them on here.
2) If anyone thinks it’s a good idea, I’ll run a test of my tap water with some chaeto to see if it removes copper. Basically, I’ll take a certain amount of my tap water, and place whatever amount you, bob, think I should place of chaeto inside the jar. Then, I’ll just let it sit and see how long it takes to remove the copper.
I’m not a scientist, so let me know if anyone thinks this simple test would answer the debate over plants removing copper from tap water.
That would be an excellent test. Just a quart jar would be sufficient. And be sure to mix the saltwater in a larger container. As a suggestion you might try a jar with just saltwater, a jar with just cheato, a jar with cheato and CC or crushed oyster shells, a jar with chaeto and LS. And aerate all the jars. and just place them where they can get 3-4 hours of sunlight. tha tway you can compare all them. But I am worried that the copper test kits may not be that accurate below 5-10 ppb. But if they are down to that level it should be ok anyway.
Naaaa that's a lot of work. You could simply set up a culture tank using your tapwater. Just a simply tupperware container. then after three weeks add a snale. If it lives then you have an indication it was the plants not the input water. Oh yea you could even use the garden hose again just to be sure. :thinking:
