Birthers.......

darthtang aw

Active Member
i have a question for you. Now that the long form Birth certificate has been released, I have a question for you.
Will you move on from this issue? Will you let it die so the conservative candidates don't have to address and speak about, it forcing them to look crazy to the majority of the country?
Personally I think it was a bad move politically for the President to release it. By releasing it, he stops the crazy campaign rhetoric....
 

socal57che

Active Member
You mean to tell me it takes the president 3 years to come up with a decent forgery? Mexicans can get a drivers license in a matter of hours.

socal (stirring the pot) 57chevy
 

flower

Well-Known Member
With a name like Obama...he is Muslim in origin, we have lots of American born Mexican people.
 

mantisman51

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This was bad mojo for the fringe that kept it going. Even if (and I never believed he was) Our Lord and Savior was born in Kenya, I would bet my paupers kingdom that 90% of Americans wouldn't care at all. And every poll, including all republicans, said the overwhelming majority didn't care. Why so many "conservatives" pushed this is beyond me. Did they really think a democrat controlled congress would do anything even if he was born somewhere else?
 

bionicarm

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It was all "The Donald's'" doing. Just ask him. If the CIA could hide the truth about who killed Kennedy, they could surely produce a viable birth certificate for the man.
Bionic (I'm votin' for Sarah) Arm
 

meowzer

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Originally Posted by mantisman51 http:///forum/thread/385409/birthers#post_3379575
This was bad mojo for the fringe that kept it going. Even if (and I never believed he was) Our Lord and Savior was born in Kenya, I would bet my paupers kingdom that 90% of Americans wouldn't care at all. And every poll, including all republicans, said the overwhelming majority didn't care. Why so many "conservatives" pushed this is beyond me. Did they really think a democrat controlled congress would do anything even if he was born somewhere else?
I would care.....and then Arnold could run too LOL
 

flower

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Slice http:///forum/thread/385409/birthers#post_3379565
My real (first) name is Agrippa.
I'm just a North Carolina farmboy...

We can have all kinds of FIRST names but the Sir name is what counts. Barak Obama is a Muslim name 100% first and last.


Does it matter??? IMO no, an American is an American...we all, except the native American descendants came from someplace else

However on the other hand it sure isn't the black slave roots one would expect from our first black president that folks were doing a jig about, I think those descended from the slaves have been misled.
 

darthtang aw

Active Member

You mean to tell me it takes the president 3 years to come up with a decent forgery? Mexicans can get a drivers license in a matter of hours.



socal (stirring the pot) 57chevy
You want to really stir the pot? Research whenthe terms caucasion and african replaced black and white under the listing for race of mother and father on birth certificates.
Darth (getting a bigger spoon) Tang
 

scsinet

Active Member
A couple thoughts here... I've been kinda waiting for a thread on this to pop up...
I am no birther by any means. That said, Obama being president and being constitutionally ineligible would certainly go down in history as being one of the greatest frauds ever carried out on the American people.
I do not believe that any realistic level of "proof" would be enough for many in the birther movement. It's the same as dealing with any conspiracy theorist. Short of allowing absolutely everyone who doubts his citizenship to personally handle, inspect, and do whatever they need to do with the paperwork in order to be convinced, there is no way you will ever prove it some people. Obama would certainly have the resources to falsify any documents though, so even personally inspecting the paperwork probably wouldn't convince many.
Take the moon landing conspirary theorists. Short of actually having set foot on the moon themselves, no level of evidence will ever convince them. Ergo, IMO, these birthers are really not worth paying any attention to. If they were a rational group, maybe it would be worth considering, but they aren't in many cases. Obama supporters however that bring race into the issue are only lowering themselves to the same level. Disagreeing with an African American leader does not necessarily make you a racist there I said it.
Here's my real wonder... just for the sake of interesting discussion, let's say that it was somehow proven that Obama was not born in the United States. He is therefore constitutionally ineligible to be president, which means that ultimately, his presidency was never legal.
What happens to all of the bills, executive orders, and everything else that he officiated as president? Conceivably, all of his presidential acts would be null and void. The impact would be staggering...
Additionally, what does that do in the order of succession? Since Biden was elected on the same ticket, it stands to reason that he is ineligible to serve as president in the order of succession. That would make the president Boehner, since he is third in line, and since his position as speaker had nothing to do with any elections associated with Obama. The party would shift. Amazing when you think about the ripple effect that this would have. The really scary though is the uprising that would occur in this country. Although I am a complete believer in the rule of law, one could argue that it's almost better that should Obama not be serving legally, that the truth not come out.
 

darthtang aw

Active Member

A couple thoughts here... I've been kinda waiting for a thread on this to pop up...

I am no birther by any means. That said, Obama being president and being constitutionally ineligible would certainly go down in history as being one of the greatest frauds ever carried out on the American people.

I do not believe that any realistic level of "proof" would be enough for many in the birther movement. It's the same as dealing with any conspiracy theorist. Short of allowing absolutely everyone who doubts his citizenship to personally handle, inspect, and do whatever they need to do with the paperwork in order to be convinced, there is no way you will ever prove it some people. Obama would certainly have the resources to falsify any documents though, so even personally inspecting the paperwork probably wouldn't convince many.

Take the moon landing conspirary theorists. Short of actually having set foot on the moon themselves, no level of evidence will ever convince them. Ergo, IMO, these birthers are really not worth paying any attention to. If they were a rational group, maybe it would be worth considering, but they aren't in many cases. Obama supporters however that bring race into the issue are only lowering themselves to the same level. Disagreeing with an African American leader does not necessarily make you a racist there I said it.

Here's my real wonder... just for the sake of interesting discussion, let's say that it was somehow proven that Obama was not born in the United States. He is therefore constitutionally ineligible to be president, which means that ultimately, his presidency was never legal.

What happens to all of the bills, executive orders, and everything else that he officiated as president? Conceivably, all of his presidential acts would be null and void. The impact would be staggering...

Additionally, what does that do in the order of succession? Since Biden was elected on the same ticket, it stands to reason that he is ineligible to serve as president in the order of succession. That would make the president Boehner, since he is third in line, and since his position as speaker had nothing to do with any elections associated with Obama. The party would shift. Amazing when you think about the ripple effect that this would have. The really scary though is the uprising that would occur in this country. Although I am a complete believer in the rule of law, one could argue that it's almost better that should Obama not be serving legally, that the truth not come out.
I would agree with you...excepti think it would end with biden as president...this would retain the status quo and he would sign off on everything previously passed...not throwing the country into a seisure...... biden would be the Legal president as the people still voted for him. Under our rule of law you are voting for both......
If we were to take it to the third level of the back up plan I could make a case for pelosi taking the presidency as she was the third in line at the time of the perpetuated fraud.
Now that would be scary and nightmarish.
Darth (freddy krueger) Tang
 

ironeagle2006

Active Member
Here are 2big things to really think about Screw the Birth Cert for a min. 1 his SS# he uses was Issued to a differant person in 1977. 2 in the 80's Before he graduated Harvard and all that BS he travelled the World on an Indonision Passport that he had to go back to Indonisa HIMSELF to RENEW. The reson why he had to go back to Indonesia to renew his Passport his Mother Renounced both HER and HIS Citzenship to the USA when she Married Mr Soreto so Barack could go to school. See Indonesia will NOT ALLOW NON CITIZENS to attend schools of anykind unless they are Diplomats and I highly doubt his mother was a US diplomat.
 

meowzer

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Quote:
Originally Posted by ironeagle2006 http:///forum/thread/385409/birthers#post_3379609
Here are 2big things to really think about Screw the Birth Cert for a min. 1 his SS# he uses was Issued to a differant person in 1977. 2 in the 80's Before he graduated Harvard and all that BS he travelled the World on an Indonision Passport that he had to go back to Indonisa HIMSELF to RENEW. The reson why he had to go back to Indonesia to renew his Passport his Mother Renounced both HER and HIS Citzenship to the USA when she Married Mr Soreto so Barack could go to school. See Indonesia will NOT ALLOW NON CITIZENS to attend schools of anykind unless they are Diplomats and I highly doubt his mother was a US diplomat.
 

darthtang aw

Active Member

Here are 2big things to really think about Screw the Birth Cert for a min. 1 his SS# he uses was Issued to a differant person in 1977. 2 in the 80's Before he graduated Harvard and all that BS he travelled the World on an Indonision Passport that he had to go back to Indonisa HIMSELF to RENEW. The reson why he had to go back to Indonesia to renew his Passport his Mother Renounced both HER and HIS Citzenship to the USA when she Married Mr Soreto so Barack could go to school. See Indonesia will NOT ALLOW NON CITIZENS to attend schools of anykind unless they are Diplomats and I highly doubt his mother was a US diplomat.
Links...sources.....anything to confirm this? Never heard it....
 

bigarn

Active Member
You all have no faith in our government? Who cares where he was born. He's doing what the puppet masters tell him to do just as well as American born and raised!
 

bionicarm

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///forum/thread/385409/birthers#post_3379612
Quote:
Originally Posted by ironeagle2006
http:///forum/thread/385409/birthers#post_3379609
Here are 2big things to really think about Screw the Birth Cert for a min. 1 his SS# he uses was Issued to a differant person in 1977. 2 in the 80's Before he graduated Harvard and all that BS he travelled the World on an Indonision Passport that he had to go back to Indonisa HIMSELF to RENEW. The reson why he had to go back to Indonesia to renew his Passport his Mother Renounced both HER and HIS Citzenship to the USA when she Married Mr Soreto so Barack could go to school. See Indonesia will NOT ALLOW NON CITIZENS to attend schools of anykind unless they are Diplomats and I highly doubt his mother was a US diplomat.
Links...sources.....anything to confirm this? Never heard it....
I've read about the SS number conspiracy. The main conspiracy was based on the first 3 digits of his SS number, the card would've been from New Jersey (or Connecticut or one of those eastern states), and he was born in Hawaii. However, back when they were distributing SS Cards, they used the MAILING address of the application, not the address of residence. Apparently he had relatives living in the New Jersey area at the time, and he was living/staying with them when he requested a card.
 
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