Birthers.......

[bionicarm]

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///forum/thread/385409/birthers/20#post_3379793
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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///forum/thread/385409/birthers/20#post_3379784
The economy overall was good under Bush? What planet have you been living on? Under Bush the U.S Gross Federal Debt as a Percentage of GDP went from around 55% when Bush came into office in 2001, to 85% when he left office in 2008. Bush had 8 years "to turn the ship". Which ship was he turning, the Titanic? I guess if you define lobbing a few Patriot Missles and having a few hundred troops supporting the flyover zone in Libya a "war", then you got me on that one. Bush popped Sadaam in less than a month after starting Gulf War II, yet here we are still funneling tax dollars to that effort 10 YEARS later. Not sure what media you've been watching the last six months, but every headline I've read pertaing to Boehner And The Boys is Planned parenthood, some pittance of "reducing the budget" bill, and trying to kill same-sex marriages. Your boys have had the majority in the House now for these last six months. Exactly where is their "Hopey Changey" thing?
Bend over, reach in, and make up some more numbers. I would love to know your sources. Every info I have seen place the percentage of gdp at 45% in 2001, and ending at 65 to 68% in 2008. Now we are roughly 90 to 95% with the the end of 2011 estimated to be 105%. In 2-3 obama has far edxceeded bush. Let's compare average unemployment. Hell obama can't even get unemployment to drop below bush's highest number.
Popped saddam in less than a month...get new cliff notes then retake that exam.....less than a month my ass.
Boehner and the boys wanted to cut federal funding for abortions. End of story...cutting federal costs.....they cqved on that and still cut a few billion off the budget. What was obama gonna cut from the bloated budget? You guys keep going back to bush....yet obama hasn't changed a damn thing bush was doing and goes and spends more money........I find it amusing...harp about bush...yet this president not only continues the previous status quo...he expands it........and to you....that is great. Can't say a bad thing about obama. Defend him to the end...because you voted for him.
I'm not defending the guy. But people like you make him out to be this evil despot that is intentionally trying to ruin this country.... Attacking Planned Parenthood to cut federal spending?

That program takes what, $300 million? That amount costs every taxpayer about $10/YEAR. All you have to do is skip a couple of Happy Meals, and that would cover the costs of what Planned Parenthood's primary goals are - primary and preventive healthcare, including lifesaving breast and cervical cancer screenings, annual exams, family planning visits, birth control, HIV testing,, etc. Congress passed the Hyde Amendment which bars the use of taxpayer funds for abortion except in cases of rape, incest or to save the life of the mother. So to say the Boehner Boys are doing this to "save tax dollars" is a load of crap....End of Fiscal Year 2001, the Gross Federal Debt was 56%. End of Fiscal Year 2008, it was 69.2%. By the End of Fiscal Year 2009, it was 83.4% Government fiscal year ends September 30th of every year. So Obama was in office for 8 months when that percentage was reported. You're saying he was completely responsible for a 14.2% increase all his lonesome? Don't think so. http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/omb/budget/fy2011/assets/hist07z1.xls
We went into Iraq on March 19, 2003, overtook Baghdad in April, and Dubya did his little "Mission Accomplished" dance on the USS Abraham Lincoln on May 1, 2003. Sadaam crawled underneath a rock, and we found him in some farmhouse basement in December of that year. So OK, 1 1/2 MONTHS.

 

[rslinger]

The tea party just needs to keep it up they will drive the middle left... If republicans really do want to win they gotta keep the social issues out which it seems they can't thank god.... No pun intended

 

[darthtang aw]

I'm not defending the guy.  But people like you make him out to be this evil despot that is intentionally trying to ruin this country....  Attacking Planned Parenthood to cut federal spending?

  That program takes what, $300 million?  That amount costs every taxpayer about $10/YEAR.  All you have to do is skip a couple of Happy Meals, and that would cover the costs of what Planned Parenthood's primary goals are -  primary and preventive healthcare, including lifesaving breast and cervical cancer screenings, annual exams, family planning visits, birth control, HIV testing,, etc.  Congress passed the Hyde Amendment which bars the use of taxpayer funds for abortion except in cases of rape, incest or to save the life of the mother.   So to say the Boehner Boys are doing this to "save tax dollars" is a load of crap....End of Fiscal Year 2001, the Gross Federal Debt was 56%.  End of Fiscal Year 2008, it was 69.2%.  By the End of Fiscal Year 2009, it was 83.4%  Government fiscal year ends September 30th of every year.  So Obama was in office for 8 months when that percentage was reported.  You're saying he was completely responsible for a 14.2% increase all his lonesome?  Don't think so.  http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/omb/budget/fy2011/assets/hist07z1.xls
 
We went into Iraq on March 19, 2003, overtook Baghdad in April, and Dubya did his little "Mission Accomplished" dance on the USS Abraham Lincoln on May 1, 2003.  Sadaam crawled underneath a rock, and we found him in some farmhouse basement in December of that year.  So OK, 1 1/2 MONTHS.

When have I called him evil? See there you go again assuming based off generalization instead individual talking points..if calling someone a liberal translates into evil despot.....then maybe you have the issue.
Planned parenthood......85% of their spent moneys is towards abortion. I am not exact on that figure...but it is around there...so you can't tell me we aren't indirectly funding abortions.
Funny how when challenged on your stats they always lower significantly.....so this years percent of gdp at 105% is bush's fault also? Like I said...the blame bush card only gets you so far.....when are you gonna have obama own up to the portion of the problem occurring on his watch......3 years later and still getting worse....that isn't bush...that is obama....and getting worse at a faster rate....much faster. In 1/3 the time obama has had it increase 70%......even using your idea that 83.4% is all bush...even though most of the spending obama signed that fiscal period.
You said" popped sadaam"........not" popped iraq"....there is major significance between the two.

 

[darthtang aw]

The tea party just needs to keep it up they will drive the middle left... If republicans really do want to win they gotta keep the social issues out which it seems they can't thank god.... No pun intended
Once again...confusion about the true tea party.

 

[rslinger]

Only 3% of planned parenthood is abortion. That's the real number. And no it can't come from federal funds. I think it is great that Sen Reed is going to make the senate vote on the house passed budget lol can't wait to watch the gop chase there tails here..... What say sure let's do away with seniors health care give them a voucher that won't cover cost or turn there backs on the tea baggers either way its a win win for democrats I believe.

 

[darthtang aw]

Only 3% of planned parenthood is abortion. That's the real number. And no it can't come from federal funds. I think it is great that Sen Reed is going to make the senate vote on the house passed budget lol can't wait to watch the gop chase there tails here..... What say sure let's do away with seniors health care give them a voucher that won't cover cost or turn there backs on the tea baggers either way its a win win for democrats I believe.
That is way low....considering planned parenthood performed abortions to the tune of 32 million alone. If one counts the morning after pill (as this is in fact an abortion if conception took place) that is another 75 million in costs for 2009. I admit my figure is high...but still much closer than yours.
This would also put procedural costs at 85% are abortion....

 

[darthtang aw]

Ok, an example....
Your son has a ddrug habit. He can't pay his bills and is about lose e erything. You cover his bills and get him caught up. He then takes his n ext paycheck that is not needed for bills and buys some drugs. Did you just help fund his drug habit...even though your money never went to the dealer?

 

[rslinger]

There is the article 3 percent of there business...not sure the link is showing up but it was in the Washington post. And yes I get your just because they have money for others doesn't mean the money they saved doesn't go there but 3 percent is a real number. When I get to my computer instead of my phone I will re link.
http://host.madison.com/ct/news/opinion/column/article_fd8e06f4-44b8-5170-a322-7b5499aed3e5.html

 

[bionicarm]

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///forum/thread/385409/birthers/40#post_3379828
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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///forum/thread/385409/birthers/40#post_3379815
I'm not defending the guy. But people like you make him out to be this evil despot that is intentionally trying to ruin this country.... Attacking Planned Parenthood to cut federal spending?

That program takes what, $300 million? That amount costs every taxpayer about $10/YEAR. All you have to do is skip a couple of Happy Meals, and that would cover the costs of what Planned Parenthood's primary goals are - primary and preventive healthcare, including lifesaving breast and cervical cancer screenings, annual exams, family planning visits, birth control, HIV testing,, etc. Congress passed the Hyde Amendment which bars the use of taxpayer funds for abortion except in cases of rape, incest or to save the life of the mother. So to say the Boehner Boys are doing this to "save tax dollars" is a load of crap....End of Fiscal Year 2001, the Gross Federal Debt was 56%. End of Fiscal Year 2008, it was 69.2%. By the End of Fiscal Year 2009, it was 83.4% Government fiscal year ends September 30th of every year. So Obama was in office for 8 months when that percentage was reported. You're saying he was completely responsible for a 14.2% increase all his lonesome? Don't think so. http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/omb/budget/fy2011/assets/hist07z1.xls
We went into Iraq on March 19, 2003, overtook Baghdad in April, and Dubya did his little "Mission Accomplished" dance on the USS Abraham Lincoln on May 1, 2003. Sadaam crawled underneath a rock, and we found him in some farmhouse basement in December of that year. So OK, 1 1/2 MONTHS.

When have I called him evil? See there you go again assuming based off generalization instead individual talking points..if calling someone a liberal translates into evil despot.....then maybe you have the issue.
Planned parenthood......85% of their spent moneys is towards abortion. I am not exact on that figure...but it is around there...so you can't tell me we aren't indirectly funding abortions.
Funny how when challenged on your stats they always lower significantly.....so this years percent of gdp at 105% is bush's fault also? Like I said...the blame bush card only gets you so far.....when are you gonna have obama own up to the portion of the problem occurring on his watch......3 years later and still getting worse....that isn't bush...that is obama....and getting worse at a faster rate....much faster. In 1/3 the time obama has had it increase 70%......even using your idea that 83.4% is all bush...even though most of the spending obama signed that fiscal period.
You said" popped sadaam"........not" popped iraq"....there is major significance between the two.
Sadaam WAS Iraq.
85%? Where did you get that number? Again, the Hyde Amendment makes it ILLEGAL to spend federal fund on abortions unless the specific criteria is met.
You said, and I quote " We got to get rid of this guy and this stuff isn't going to help do that." I guess "this guy" is one of your kinder phrases to describe Obama...

 

[rslinger]

From my above link if your to scared to look...
Here is a factual statement: Planned Parenthood’s abortion care represents 3 percent of its medical services — 332,000 terminations out of a total of 11.4 million services provided in 2009. Nearly all the care offered at Planned Parenthood health centers is preventive services and screenings, including contraception, testing for sexually transmitted infections, pap smears and breast exams. Title X funds cannot be used for abortion care at any time, for any reason. Federal Medicaid funds can be used to reimburse a provider for an abortion when the pregnancy would endanger the life of the woman or resulted from rape or incest.

 

[beth]

The guy had a father from Kenya, and the result is this two year farce. Trump is the biggest jerk. This whole issue makes the right side look like the hillbillies that the left claims they are.
In this, at least, I agree with Obama....there are far more important matter than this.
Why is this president singled out? Is it because he's not some old white guy from the heartland? If Americans are so worried about it, then lets have all presidential candidates show a birth certificate.

 

[rslinger]

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Originally Posted by Beth http:///forum/thread/385409/birthers/40#post_3379866
The guy had a father from Kenya, and the result is this two year farce. Trump is the biggest jerk. This whole issue makes the right side look like the hillbillies that the left claims they are.
In this, at least, I agree with Obama....there are far more important matter than this.
Why is this president singled out? Is it because he's not some old white guy from the heartland? If Americans are so worried about it, then lets have all presidential candidates show a birth certificate.
+1

 

[darthtang aw]

From my above link if your to scared to look...



Here is a factual statement: Planned Parenthood’s abortion care represents 3 percent of its medical services — 332,000 terminations out of a total of 11.4 million services provided in 2009. Nearly all the care offered at Planned Parenthood health centers is preventive services and screenings, including contraception, testing for sexually transmitted infections, pap smears and breast exams. Title X funds cannot be used for abortion care at any time, for any reason. Federal Medicaid funds can be used to reimburse a provider for an abortion when the pregnancy would endanger the life of the woman or resulted from rape or incest.
I read the link......my percentage is money appropriated based...hers is service based.........condom costs do not compare to abortion costs. Someone comes in for some condoms...that is one service....but the monetary percentage of that service is minimal when compared. The 85% number comes from adding in the monetary cost and services of the morning after pill....which technicqlly is an abortion. Her analysis is placing this pill in the condom section of services. Again my n umber comes from a monetary standpoint, hers comes from a services provided standpoint. Thus the different figures.....................damn and I didn't use the usual argument that the piece was written by a planned parenthood member.........

 

[darthtang aw]

Sadaam WAS Iraq.
 
85%?  Where did you get that number?  Again, the Hyde Amendment makes it ILLEGAL to spend federal fund on abortions unless the specific criteria is met. 
 
You said, and I quote " We got to get rid of this guy and this stuff isn't going to help do that."  I guess "this guy" is one of your kinder phrases to describe Obama...
 
 
The hyde ammendment
The hyde ammendment.
You give me five bucks towards my lunch. I have five bucks.........I use your money for food and mine for a beer.......did you just fund my beer intake? Could I have got the beer without your money
If sadaam was iraq...then how long was it before we got saadam?
Last I checked, obama was a guy.........if calling someone a guy is hurtful or hateful to the person talking about cutting someones v alve stem over a parking spot.....dude you need therapy.

 

[shrimpy brains]

Hmm......
http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/265590/five-truths-about-planned-parenthood-charmaine-yoest
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Originally Posted by Rslinger http:///forum/thread/385409/birthers/40#post_3379853
There is the article 3 percent of there business...not sure the link is showing up but it was in the Washington post. And yes I get your just because they have money for others doesn't mean the money they saved doesn't go there but 3 percent is a real number. When I get to my computer instead of my phone I will re link.
http://host.madison.com/ct/news/opinion/column/article_fd8e06f4-44b8-5170-a322-7b5499aed3e5.html

 

[darthtang aw]

Beth I don't see him as singled out...every president has had the extreme side of the oppossing party go after them or imply something very ridiculous.............you still hear bush planned and set up 9/11.........the clintons had people killed......actually....obama has gotten off easy if this is the worst that can be kooked up.

 

[beth]

I agree that the hate between left and right is out there, and on both sides with bizarre accusations against whoever is president. This one, though, seemed to rise above the fringe conspiracy theories. Frankly, there is more hate between American left-right every day people, then among the politicians themselves.

 

[oscardeuce]

" That program takes what, $300 million? That amount costs every taxpayer about $10/YEAR. All you have to do is skip a couple of Happy Meals, and that would cover the costs of what Planned Parenthood's primary goals are - primary and preventive healthcare, including lifesaving breast and cervical cancer screenings, annual exams, family planning visits, birth control, HIV testing,, etc. Congress passed the Hyde Amendment which bars the use of taxpayer funds for abortion"
Funny, I thought medicaid was for that. So, we have planned parenthood, medicaid, medicare covering primary care? Why 3 gov't organisms? I say organisms because they don't die and keep growing.
I see women come into the Emergency Room for a pregnancy test. The test is $3 or less in the store, and about $150+ in the ED. How much does that cost society? I thought planned parenthood was taking care if it? Heck, the test is less than the pack of cigarettes in her purse. I see the waste every day. The women know how to play the system. They come in complaining of abd pain. We have to rule out an ectopic pregancy ( EMTALA), so a pregnacy test is ordered. As soon as they hear that result, they bolt. It is a waste of tax money, and my time. I would rather see a sick person than a woman who is there just to make sure the fun she had last week won't affect her fun next week. You want your wife to die while I'm stuck looking at someone just there to get a "free" pregnancy test.
I'm sick of it. if they would really trim the fat, the redundant, duplicate programs. I would not mind helping up those in need, I am sick of handing out to those too lazy to work.
You want a Socialist utopia, go live in the Soviet Union..... oh yeah, that whole thing didn't work out so well did it?

 

[oscardeuce]

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Originally Posted by Beth http:///forum/thread/385409/birthers/40#post_3379892
I agree that the hate between left and right is out there, and on both sides with bizarre accusations against whoever is president. This one, though, seemed to rise above the fringe conspiracy theories. Frankly, there is more hate between American left-right every day people, then among the politicians themselves.
Beth, please read President Washington's Farewell Address. Let me know what you thionk.
I'd say there is more hate coming from the left than the right. I've never heard Beck say anything like Rev Wright. I've never seen a tea party member beat up a man in a wheelchair like the SCIU.

 

[tangs rule]

Quotehttp:///forum/thread/385409/birthers/20#post_3379812
Great....we have moved from questioning citizenship to comparing him to people that brutally murdered millions or tried to exterminate entireraces of people. Yep...we are gonna win that way.....
Darth (you forgot castro) Tang
I did not forget Fidel Castro - Mr. Darth Tang - I just left him out of the discussion as his regime has to date probably not murdered MILLIONS of civilians with differing opinions - - only a few thousand ........his brother (next in line) might though....give it time. You are way too young to remember the "boat people" that arrived in South Florida by the 10's of thousands back in the 1980's (go watch movie "Scarface") . Circa ~1987 Cubans fled Cuba by the hundreds per day leaving on homemade rafts and tiny skiffs to reach "America". Many even tired to swim the 100 or so miles to reach the USA, only to be eaten by sharks or drown. Asylum was a term created for fleeing Cubans. The cuban military used to shoot "deserters" via .50cal machine guns in open water. The US coast guard was the only hope for many 100's of thousnads of refugees - most of whom are now natrulizied.
I AM NOT QUESTIONING THE PRESIDENTS VALID BIRTH CERT. That is an absurd waste of time. Gas in MY town is now approaching 4 bucks/gal & I live in the middle of oil fields that have been producing since the 1940's........ The amount of debt accumulated by congress (who the only govt branch that allows spending) since 2006 is ~5 trillion. It's his policies and belief system that I totally disagree with
Further, the "progressive" belief system that our president seems to believe in HAS exterminated at least a100 million people within the last century. It's come under different names & terms/phrases, but there is a common result. True evil always approaches with a smile and (these days) a teleprompter .. If you are too young or ignorant to realize what we have in office, and identify it as a threat to our system of governance, and how close we are to loosing the nation we have as founded 235 years ago, then I submit thall shall be happy as a serf - because the road to serfdom is quite near.
There is NO "winning" at this point in time - - it's minimizing the damage. . . . . With ~ 14 trillion in debt, and many times that already promised to spend, the gross national product of the WORLD would not sustain this country for 5 years..... If Darth Tang is lucky, his GREAT GRANDCHILDREN might one day pay off what's already been spent. If not, YOU better learn Mandarin!
Tangs (love the constitution) Rule