Birthers.......

[rslinger]

Subsidy to big corporations who don't pay taxes anyway such as Exxon would be a great cut. I understand it is a ruff time to raise taxes but as we both agreed to fix it, its gonna hurt right. I think just getting Exxon, GE, and the rest of the huge corporations to pay there tax would be a start. My mom is an account for a local electric company. Her company had a party for her department because they paid in not a cent and got like 11 million back. And yet they are still laying people off.

 

[darthtang aw]

Subsidy to big corporations who don't pay taxes anyway such as Exxon would be a great cut. I understand it is a ruff time to raise taxes but as we both agreed to fix it, its gonna hurt right. I think just getting Exxon, GE, and the rest of the huge corporations to pay there tax would be a start. My mom is an account for a local electric company. Her company had a party for her department because they paid in not a cent and got like 11 million back. And yet they are still laying people off.
Subsidies would be gone...I don't consider that a tax cut or even a tax break.....that is government interference......all subsidies.....it is false propping of tghe market by the government hurting middle america more than helping.....even farm subsidies.....you wanna get paid...farm your land...food prices will drop as supply increases.

 

[rslinger]

Ok now that I have a min...EIC (earned income credit) yes it is redistribution of a way. But I think that with a little tweaking it could be a good program. Give people incentive to get out and work. Help people who are joining the work force at entry level. Right now it gives people who made to little money to much..but if the income min was raised right now its around 2,000. Make the min more like 16,000, that will make people work full-time to get it. Then it does something people get off there ass have to work full-time and eventually lets say when you income becomes more stable and level cut it off. Somewhere around 24,000. I think would be good. And really start tapering right from the beginning. This will give people incentive to work and not sit home collecting food stamps and rent assistance and only work part-time. We would not have to even do this if the minimum wage was increased so greedy companys had to pay people a living wage.

 

[beth]

Quote:
Originally Posted by tangs rule http:///forum/thread/385409/birthers/60#post_3379938
Planned Parenthood - No mamograms, No cancer screenings, only POST pregnancy tax payer funded murder of the unborn on demand.......
Why is it a federal offense to disturb an eagles nest, molest the eggs whether viable or not, but it's OK for my tax $$ to support planned parenthood abortion on demand?.
The far left of this country is killing it's future generations (and believers) while in the womb, and that's the only positive thing about it. And it IS tax $$ supported, , , , Boehner caved...
Not exactly true. PP does offer various health screenings for women, in addition to preemptive birth control. At the end of the day, I'd rather pay for preventative contraception then much more costly welfare and medicaid for poor children, not to mention state-sponsored protective services for neglected, abused and unwanted children.
This statement is not an endorsement for abortion.

 

[darthtang aw]

Ok now that I have a min...EIC (earned income credit) yes it is redistribution of a way. But I think that with a little tweaking it could be a good program. Give people incentive to get out and work. Help people who are joining the work force at entry level. Right now it gives people who made to little money to much..but if the income min was raised right now its around 2,000. Make the min more like 16,000, that will make people work full-time to get it. Then it does something people get off there ass have to work full-time and eventually lets say when you income becomes more stable and level cut it off. Somewhere around 24,000. I think would be good. And really start tapering right from the beginning. This will give people incentive to work and not sit home collecting food stamps and rent assistance and only work part-time. We would not have to even do this if the minimum wage was increased so greedy companys had to pay people a living wage.
Here is the problem with your analysis of the situation.I will us mystate as an example. In this state if you make under 30000 a year through various state and federal subsidy/social programs in place.....this family can receive free benefits (food stamps, housing assistance, and so on) to the tune of another 30000 a year. Making their realistic income 60000 a year. Then on top of that they get all their federal and state taxes back plus EIC on top of that. Where is the incentive to work again? So even at 16000 their effective income is still 46000.

 

[darthtang aw]

What would you raise minimum wage to?

 

[meowzer]

I don't disagree with the EIC 100%...I just think it is too high.....I do taxes for some individuals, and have actually been asked how much they need to make to get the max amount.....WHY DO THEY ASK.....because that is all they will work for

A person that I did their taxes last year....has a wife and 2 kids...receive $7000 back......The wife does not work and he made $16000 last year......they also get food stamps, medical, and help with housing etc....the wife has an indian i.d. card so her and the kids get free medical thru that...amongst A LOT of other benefits
where does it end? Meanwhile my husband and I both work....make decent money....have to hold out a ridiculous amount just to try to come out even with taxes (I'm buying a farm..LOL)

 

[rslinger]

The incentive if you don't work then you don't get the EIC and the way I think food stamps and such should be set up you won't get them either there is no reward for not working. Only for working...let's say I have a job making 36000 per year first around my state I can tell you I will not get food stamps at that level it is above the limit. But anyway i get laid off what ever. The timer starts I got six months to find a Job or lose the help I am getting. So that's getting me back out making me want to work. But now the only job I can find pays 8 dollars a hour or around 16000... I can't get bye on that why should I go to work when I can't even survive. Well here is where it kicks in now I get EIC to help make that closer to a livable earning. I am at said new job for a couple years what ever get raises as my income comes up my EIC and other programs come down. I.get to a point where I am making a living wage which I would call right around 30000 and the EIC and programs would stop. There I am back on my feet and it feels good.......I just think it is important to have these programs because there are real people who are trying to build lives. Could you live on sixteen thousand dollars year? I really think a living wage for min wage should be 15.00.. really how can you support a person let alone a family on anything less.

 

[meowzer]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rslinger http:///forum/thread/385409/birthers/80#post_3380085
Could you live on sixteen thousand dollars year? I really think a living wage for min wage should be 15.00.. really how can you support a person let alone a family on anything less.
YES I COULD.....I have had to do it before....not easy....BUT DOABLE.....and I DID NOT...go after all the things I could have gotten to help....
$15 min wage...LOLOLOL....say goodbye small businesses

 

[darthtang aw]

Yep...the small business man would be gone...as a small business owner I will vouche for that.

 

[rslinger]

These are my real numbers......I made 38,000. My girlfriend made only about 3,000. We have three kids hence her low income it doesn't make sense to pay that much in daycare. So I bring home about 2,200 a month. My rent is cheap $400. None is paid by government that is what I pay for a four bedroom house in the country in Wisconsin. My heat bill last month $386. Cell phone/internet $190 two phones. Car insurance 115 months two cars. Water and sewer works out to about $50 a month. And I still gotta buy food, clothes for my kids, gas, and what ever else life has for me...so as you see I barley and I mean barley make a living wage....how could I live at eight dollars a hour??l

 

[rslinger]

Right I understand that the $15 would kill small business. That's why we need these programs yes they need to be fixed but fixed not abolished . But to abolish these will kill the lower middle to poverty line citizens of our country.

 

[meowzer]

When we first came to OK.....My husband worked a job for $6 an hour.......we had a mortgage, electricity, car, (gas), propane,
and 6 KIDS LIVING WITH US,......talk about stressful.....4 kids were mine and EX husband helped with nothing....my 2 step kids technically (HAH) lived with my husbads ex....BUT we still fed and clothed them
I DID NOT have my mustang...we had an escort, I had NO fish tanks, we had NO satellite t.v. or cable, we fed our kids...paid the bills.....and barely clothed them...BUT they were well clothed (I on the other hand had enough to get by)
NEVER said it was easy.......hardest time of my life.....BUT we also made it thru it

 

[meowzer]

never said abolished either....

 

[darthtang aw]

As a sidenot the EIC would be gone also..as well as the other subsidies based off your limits. Howev er the poverty line would great increas due to rising costs of goods due to rising costs to businesses. Thus the threshhold for the subsidies would need to raise. The highest cost to many businesses is labor.. see the never ending cycle yet?

 

[rslinger]

As a sidenot the EIC would be gone also..as well as the other subsidies based off your limits. Howev er the poverty line would great increas due to rising costs of goods due to rising costs to businesses. Thus the threshhold for the subsidies would need to raise. The highest cost to many businesses is labor.. see the never ending cycle yet?
Right no I get that the huge raise in min wage would not work. That's why I think we need to keep the programs just fix them so they give people incentive to work. Time limits I think are big. There are to many people who do try to be lazy. But if we keep the programs and put better rules on them they would weed out the lazy from the down and out. 6 dollars a hour that's crazy I don't know how you did it that's only 12,000 per year and 200 a week take home if your lucky. I couldn't dream of that. Yes I have my fish tank but that said I have less than 1000 in it..I drive a 94 Buick and she drives a 96 Toyota. We have no car payment thank the stars. I have zero credit cards.....my point is to end programs like food share and EIC would make a lot of hard working peoples lives next but to impossible.

 

[rslinger]

I just can't stop thinking about it lol. If I only made let's say 8.00. That would be like 275 a week or 1100 per month. My cheap rent 400 heat 386 water 50. That leaves me less than 300 for the month for food gas clothes diapers.....and that doesn't give me a phone nothing not even car insurance......how do people do that.

 

[darthtang aw]

As a sidenot the EIC would be gone also..as well as the other subsidies based off your limits. Howev er the poverty line would great increas due to rising costs of goods due to rising costs to businesses. Thus the threshhold for the subsidies would need to raise. The highest cost to many businesses is labor.. see the never ending cycle yet?
Right no I get that the huge raise in min wage would not work. That's why I think we need to keep the programs just fix them so they give people incentive to work. Time limits I think are big. There are to many people who do try to be lazy. But if we keep the programs and put better rules on them they would weed out the lazy from the down and out. 6 dollars a hour that's crazy I don't know how you did it that's only 12,000 per year and 200 a week take home if your lucky. I couldn't dream of that. Yes I have my fish tank but that said I have less than 1000 in it..I drive a 94 Buick and she drives a 96 Toyota. We have no car payment thank the stars. I have zero credit cards.....my point is to end programs like food share and EIC would make a lot of hard working peoples lives next but to impossible.
Time limit....drug and alcohol screenings...sorry if you are broke you can't afford to get drunk.......oh...and if unemployeed..guess what...you are now performing community service....start out at 5 hours a week.

 

[reefraff]

Our problem isn't that we don't tax big business enough, it's what we give away. Exxon pays plenty of taxes but look at it this way. How much did they pay the government in property tax, lease and royalty fees, equipment tax etc. How much taxes did their employees pay? And the notion Exxon paid no income tax is absurd. GE didn't pay and because they wrote off all the money they lost the year before. Sure they are hiding profits overseas and we need to change the tax laws to not only prevent that but to also encourage companies to bring that money back here. You wont do that by jacking up the rates.

 

[meowzer]

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///forum/thread/385409/birthers/80#post_3380103
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Time limit....drug and alcohol screenings...sorry if you are broke you can't afford to get drunk.......oh...and if unemployeed..guess what...you are now performing community service....start out at 5 hours a week.
can't afford to smoke either.....I HATE when I see people I KNOW are on services buying Marlboro cigarettes....I think they are over $4 a pack now....(not sure since I quit)
when husband and I did smoke.....we smoked basic or whatever was on sale.....even when we started making more money we did the same