Birthers.......

[tangs rule]

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Originally Posted by Rslinger http:///forum/thread/385409/birthers/40#post_3379838
Only 3% of planned parenthood is abortion. That's the real number. And no it can't come from federal funds. I think it is great that Sen Reed is going to make the senate vote on the house passed budget lol can't wait to watch the gop chase there tails here..... What say sure let's do away with seniors health care give them a voucher that won't cover cost or turn there backs on the tea baggers either way its a win win for democrats I believe.
Only 3% you say???????????? Otay - how bout another number Rslinger............59% of african american pregnancies in NYC end via abortion....(2010 stat number.......)
Planned Parenthood - tyring to finnish what the Klan couldn't.......
Planned Parenthood - No mamograms, No cancer screenings, only POST pregnancy tax payer funded murder of the unborn on demand.......
Why is it a federal offense to disturb an eagles nest, molest the eggs whether viable or not, but it's OK for my tax $$ to support planned parenthood abortion on demand?.
The far left of this country is killing it's future generations (and believers) while in the womb, and that's the only positive thing about it. And it IS tax $$ supported, , , , Boehner caved...

 

[reefraff]

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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///forum/thread/385409/birthers/20#post_3379724
Where's the love reef? Obama isn't any worse than Bush. Or did you forget this continual recesssion we're in started in his last two years of office? If you want to make changes, make them in Congress where the actual work is supposed to occur. Just don't do it using the fanatical Ultra-Right Conservatives. The economy is still in the dumps, and you have Boehner and Co. spending all their energy trying to figure out how to take down Planned Parenthood, and trying to find a lawyer willing to stay around to kill the Same Sex Marriage Laws. These guys need to get their priorities straight and quit spending all their time passing bills that only meet their personal agendas and religious convictions.
When Pelosi reid and the democrats took control of congress unemployment was about 4.5%. Unemployment didn't start rising until about 6 months after they were in office. I guess none of this is their fault too?

 

[reefraff]

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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///forum/thread/385409/birthers/40#post_3379815
I'm not defending the guy. But people like you make him out to be this evil despot that is intentionally trying to ruin this country.... Attacking Planned Parenthood to cut federal spending?

That program takes what, $300 million? That amount costs every taxpayer about $10/YEAR. All you have to do is skip a couple of Happy Meals, and that would cover the costs of what Planned Parenthood's primary goals are - primary and preventive healthcare, including lifesaving breast and cervical cancer screenings, annual exams, family planning visits, birth control, HIV testing,, etc. Congress passed the Hyde Amendment which bars the use of taxpayer funds for abortion except in cases of rape, incest or to save the life of the mother. So to say the Boehner Boys are doing this to "save tax dollars" is a load of crap....End of Fiscal Year 2001, the Gross Federal Debt was 56%. End of Fiscal Year 2008, it was 69.2%. By the End of Fiscal Year 2009, it was 83.4% Government fiscal year ends September 30th of every year. So Obama was in office for 8 months when that percentage was reported. You're saying he was completely responsible for a 14.2% increase all his lonesome? Don't think so. http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/omb/budget/fy2011/assets/hist07z1.xls
We went into Iraq on March 19, 2003, overtook Baghdad in April, and Dubya did his little "Mission Accomplished" dance on the USS Abraham Lincoln on May 1, 2003. Sadaam crawled underneath a rock, and we found him in some farmhouse basement in December of that year. So OK, 1 1/2 MONTHS.

But how many of these questionable 10.00 a year programs are we supporting. It's time to set some rational priorities.

 

[reefraff]

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Originally Posted by Beth http:///forum/thread/385409/birthers/40#post_3379866
The guy had a father from Kenya, and the result is this two year farce. Trump is the biggest jerk. This whole issue makes the right side look like the hillbillies that the left claims they are.
In this, at least, I agree with Obama....there are far more important matter than this.
Why is this president singled out? Is it because he's not some old white guy from the heartland? If Americans are so worried about it, then lets have all presidential candidates show a birth certificate.
As a matter of fact the left questioned John McCain's ability to serve as president. It was to the point the US Senate passed a resolution stating he was eligible to serve if elected. If just the screwed up media doesn't mention that while they bring up the right questioning 0bama. Guess who the first one to bring up this issue was. Hillary Clinton.... They just had sense enough to move on. The birthers are just a wee bit slower to catch on LOL!

 

[reefraff]

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Originally Posted by tangs rule http:///forum/thread/385409/birthers/60#post_3379938
Only 3% you say???????????? Otay - how bout another number Rslinger............59% of african american pregnancies in NYC end via abortion....(2010 stat number.......)
Planned Parenthood - tyring to finnish what the Klan couldn't.......
Planned Parenthood - No mamograms, No cancer screenings, only POST pregnancy tax payer funded murder of the unborn on demand.......
Why is it a federal offense to disturb an eagles nest, molest the eggs whether viable or not, but it's OK for my tax $$ to support planned parenthood abortion on demand?.
The far left of this country is killing it's future generations (and believers) while in the womb, and that's the only positive thing about it. And it IS tax $$ supported, , , , Boehner caved...
I don't buy the 3% number for a second but I would still bet the majority of there business is providing other services. True enough the woman who founded planned parenthood was a despicable human being but the organization has evolved far beyond what her motives might have been. I doesn't serve any purpose to use the flame thrower rhetoric regarding this issue. Most Americans don't want the government forcing women to have kids they don't want. It's a losing issue but I do agree those who oppose it shouldn't have their tax dollars funding it.

 

[tangs rule]

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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///forum/thread/385409/birthers/60#post_3379967
I don't buy the 3% number for a second but I would still bet the majority of there business is providing other services. True enough the woman who founded planned parenthood was a despicable human being but the organization has evolved far beyond what her motives might have been. I doesn't serve any purpose to use the flame thrower rhetoric regarding this issue. Most Americans don't want the government forcing women to have kids they don't want. It's a losing issue but I do agree those who oppose it shouldn't have their tax dollars funding it.
That was kinda my point..... Abortion IS their business... "Planned Parenthood" does NOT provide women's health issues other than abortion. Are there any doctors capable of performing mammograms at MOST if not all PP facilities....no....are there trained medical professionals capable of diagnosing/detecting cervical cancers, , , , no , , Does P P offer anything ABOVE what the local "doc n the box" general practitioner offers, no.. Are most PP facilities even equipped to provide anything above abortion level services? - no. Planned parenthood advising women on anything OTHER than having an abortion is typically a subject left for another health care professional to handle. "Planned Parenthood" is about as an absurd a term as "Military Intelligence". . .It's a simple contradiction of terms. . . . Intelligence within the military is about as common as a virgin in a maternity ward. . . . P P has nothing to do with planing (to be parents) - only on how to avoid the consequences AFTER the fact of intercourse without forethought.
In way too many places in this world, the "choice" of having a child or having it aborted DOES reside within the power of some governing body - i.e. China. I just find it's terribly sad that some people in the USA try to define "freedom" as the ABILITY to have an abortion at taxpeyer expense is some sort of right. Life actually is precious and the sooner this country recognizes that, the better off we'll be.

 

[darthtang aw]

 
I did not forget Fidel Castro - Mr. Darth Tang - I just left him out of the discussion as his regime has to date probably not murdered MILLIONS of civilians with differing opinions - - only a few thousand ........his brother (next in line) might though....give it time. You are way too young to remember the "boat people" that arrived in South Florida by the 10's of thousands back in the 1980's (go watch movie "Scarface") . Circa ~1987 Cubans fled Cuba by the hundreds per day leaving on homemade rafts and tiny skiffs to reach "America". Many even tired to swim the 100 or so miles to reach the USA, only to be eaten by sharks or drown. Asylum was a term created for fleeing Cubans. The cuban military used to shoot "deserters" via .50cal machine guns in open water. The US coast guard was the only hope for many 100's of thousnads of refugees - most of whom are now natrulizied.
 
I AM NOT QUESTIONING THE PRESIDENTS VALID BIRTH CERT. That is an absurd waste of time. Gas in MY town is now approaching 4 bucks/gal & I live in the middle of oil fields that have been producing since the 1940's........ The amount of debt accumulated by congress (who the only govt branch that allows spending) since 2006 is ~5 trillion. It's his policies and belief system that I totally disagree with
 
Further, the "progressive" belief system that our president seems to believe in HAS exterminated at least a100 million people within the last century.  It's come under different names & terms/phrases, but there is a common result. True evil always approaches with a smile and (these days) a teleprompter .. If you are too young or ignorant to realize what we have in office, and identify it as a threat to our system of governance, and how close we are to loosing the nation we have as founded 235 years ago, then I submit thall shall be happy as a serf - because the road to serfdom is quite near.
 
There is NO "winning" at this point in time - - it's minimizing the damage. . . . . With ~ 14 trillion in debt, and many times that already promised to spend, the gross national product of the WORLD would not sustain this country for 5 years.....   If Darth Tang is lucky, his GREAT GRANDCHILDREN  might one day pay off what's already been spent. If not, YOU  better learn Mandarin!
 
Tangs (love the constitution) Rule
To young to remember? Dude I remember reagan's campaign and watching the debate with my grandfather..........
Some of your thoughts frighten me.
Darth (gonna hug a pillow) Tang

 

[reefraff]

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Originally Posted by tangs rule http:///forum/thread/385409/birthers/60#post_3379985
That was kinda my point..... Abortion IS their business... "Planned Parenthood" does NOT provide women's health issues other than abortion. Are there any doctors capable of performing mammograms at MOST if not all PP facilities....no....are there trained medical professionals capable of diagnosing/detecting cervical cancers, , , , no , , Does P P offer anything ABOVE what the local "doc n the box" general practitioner offers, no.. Are most PP facilities even equipped to provide anything above abortion level services? - no. Planned parenthood advising women on anything OTHER than having an abortion is typically a subject left for another health care professional to handle. "Planned Parenthood" is about as an absurd a term as "Military Intelligence". . .It's a simple contradiction of terms. . . . Intelligence within the military is about as common as a virgin in a maternity ward. . . . P P has nothing to do with planing (to be parents) - only on how to avoid the consequences AFTER the fact of intercourse without forethought.
In way too many places in this world, the "choice" of having a child or having it aborted DOES reside within the power of some governing body - i.e. China. I just find it's terribly sad that some people in the USA try to define "freedom" as the ABILITY to have an abortion at taxpeyer expense is some sort of right. Life actually is precious and the sooner this country recognizes that, the better off we'll be.
My wife used planned parenthood until she reached the age of needing "Mammy!!! Grams" and I can assure you they do more than abortions. Quite frankly we have enough lousy moms among those who want a kid, I don't think we need to add to that total by making those who don't want a kid spit one out anyway. I figure their lifestyle choice is between them and God, not the government.

 

[reefraff]

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///forum/thread/385409/birthers/60#post_3379987
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Originally Posted by tangs rule http:///forum/thread/385409/birthers/40#post_3379932
I did not forget Fidel Castro - Mr. Darth Tang - I just left him out of the discussion as his regime has to date probably not murdered MILLIONS of civilians with differing opinions - - only a few thousand ........his brother (next in line) might though....give it time. You are way too young to remember the "boat people" that arrived in South Florida by the 10's of thousands back in the 1980's (go watch movie "Scarface") . Circa ~1987 Cubans fled Cuba by the hundreds per day leaving on homemade rafts and tiny skiffs to reach "America". Many even tired to swim the 100 or so miles to reach the USA, only to be eaten by sharks or drown. Asylum was a term created for fleeing Cubans. The cuban military used to shoot "deserters" via .50cal machine guns in open water. The US coast guard was the only hope for many 100's of thousnads of refugees - most of whom are now natrulizied.
I AM NOT QUESTIONING THE PRESIDENTS VALID BIRTH CERT. That is an absurd waste of time. Gas in MY town is now approaching 4 bucks/gal & I live in the middle of oil fields that have been producing since the 1940's........ The amount of debt accumulated by congress (who the only govt branch that allows spending) since 2006 is ~5 trillion. It's his policies and belief system that I totally disagree with
Further, the "progressive" belief system that our president seems to believe in HAS exterminated at least a100 million people within the last century. It's come under different names & terms/phrases, but there is a common result. True evil always approaches with a smile and (these days) a teleprompter .. If you are too young or ignorant to realize what we have in office, and identify it as a threat to our system of governance, and how close we are to loosing the nation we have as founded 235 years ago, then I submit thall shall be happy as a serf - because the road to serfdom is quite near.
There is NO "winning" at this point in time - - it's minimizing the damage. . . . . With ~ 14 trillion in debt, and many times that already promised to spend, the gross national product of the WORLD would not sustain this country for 5 years..... If Darth Tang is lucky, his GREAT GRANDCHILDREN might one day pay off what's already been spent. If not, YOU better learn Mandarin!
Tangs (love the constitution) Rule
To young to remember? Dude I remember reagan's campaign and watching the debate with my grandfather..........
Some of your thoughts frighten me.
Darth (gonna hug a pillow) Tang
I remember watching the Carter Kennedy debates. They were going to make a movie about it but someone already used their title, Dumb and Dumber...

 

[rslinger]

For sure planned parenthood does way more than abortions are you really stupid enough to believe what your saying.. the mother of my three children went there when she was pregnant with our kids, goes there now for birth control seeing as our private insurance won't cover it..it says right in the article the did like 300,000 abortions out of the 11 million patients they saw that's about 3 percent. I don't care where you stand on abortion. They provide many other services. If they did not provide birth control how many more abortions would there be. See this is were the extreme right goes to far and will push the middle left because MOST Americans think its a womens choice...keep on pushing I beg you.

 

[mantisman51]

Actually, Rslinger, the polls have moved the other way and so it's roughly half support and half opposed. 7 years ago when I was unemployed my wife and I went to a PP clinic to have her pap smear and get birth control pills. Instead of the $500 the hospital wanted, it cost us $50-including 6 months birth control pills. You will not find someone opposed to the brutal murder of the unborn than me, but PP is the only womens clinics in a lot of rural areas-like SoAz. Also, there's only 2 out of 12 PP clinics in Az that perform abortions. Thankfully here in Az they perform very few.
(I can't edit what I write on a reply anymore-I have to submit then edit. Anyone else having this issue?)

 

[darthtang aw]

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Originally Posted by Rslinger http:///forum/thread/385409/birthers/60#post_3380003
For sure planned parenthood does way more than abortions are you really stupid enough to believe what your saying.. the mother of my three children went there when she was pregnant with our kids, goes there now for birth control seeing as our private insurance won't cover it..it says right in the article the did like 300,000 abortions out of the 11 million patients they saw that's about 3 percent. I don't care where you stand on abortion. They provide many other services. If they did not provide birth control how many more abortions would there be. See this is were the extreme right goes to far and will push the middle left because MOST Americans think its a womens choice...keep on pushing I beg you.
Most? I think it is closer than you believe.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/02/us/02abortion.html
However they do provide many other services.

 

[darthtang aw]

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Originally Posted by mantisman51 http:///forum/thread/385409/birthers/60#post_3380007
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Post of the Day!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[darthtang aw]

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Originally Posted by tangs rule http:///forum/thread/385409/birthers/60#post_3379985
That was kinda my point..... Abortion IS their business... "Planned Parenthood" does NOT provide women's health issues other than abortion. Are there any doctors capable of performing mammograms at MOST if not all PP facilities....no....are there trained medical professionals capable of diagnosing/detecting cervical cancers, , , , no , , Does P P offer anything ABOVE what the local "doc n the box" general practitioner offers, no.. Are most PP facilities even equipped to provide anything above abortion level services? - no. Planned parenthood advising women on anything OTHER than having an abortion is typically a subject left for another health care professional to handle. "Planned Parenthood" is about as an absurd a term as "Military Intelligence". . .It's a simple contradiction of terms. . . . Intelligence within the military is about as common as a virgin in a maternity ward. . . . P P has nothing to do with planing (to be parents) - only on how to avoid the consequences AFTER the fact of intercourse without forethought.
I
Sorry, You are grossly misinformed on most of your points.
Darth (I blame chain emails) Tang

 

[rslinger]

Really I do wish there were no abortions I do. Would I ever want that to happen to my seed no way. But and yes there is a but, sometimes it is the best option for all. And I realize its not the unborn fault that moms a drug addict. But what you going to do make mom carry tell full term for adoption... Great so now we got a bunch of drug addicted babys up for adoption. Or I guess we could foot the bill to hold the pregnant women in jail so she can't do drugs.. see its a lose, lose situation. I don't always think abortion is right but sometimes its better than the alternative....anyway the point is planned parenthood does way more than that the one we go to for birth control does not do abortions either. I think there are only a handful in the state that do. And I like I keep saying the extremist right can keep pushing it really helps my side.

 

[darthtang aw]

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Originally Posted by Rslinger http:///forum/thread/385409/birthers/60#post_3380013
Really I do wish there were no abortions I do. Would I ever want that to happen to my seed no way. But and yes there is a but, sometimes it is the best option for all. And I realize its not the unborn fault that moms a drug addict. But what you going to do make mom carry tell full term for adoption... Great so now we got a bunch of drug addicted babys up for adoption. Or I guess we could foot the bill to hold the pregnant women in jail so she can't do drugs.. see its a lose, lose situation. I don't always think abortion is right but sometimes its better than the alternative....anyway the point is planned parenthood does way more than that the one we go to for birth control does not do abortions either. I think there are only a handful in the state that do. And I like I keep saying the extremist right can keep pushing it really helps my side.
Let me ask you something. You want to foot the bill by having a single payer healthcare plan. How is THAT different than footing the bill for a baby?
And remember, the extremist left helps push the blue dogs rights..............

 

[rslinger]

I am not saying there is something wrong with paying for the baby.. I ment that as a hit to fiscal conservatives. I do think it would be wrong to put said mother in jail though to keep her clean. And I do think if all of a sudden 250,000 drug addicted babys were brought into the world they would have a hard time finding them all homes..really. I don't even think i sit that far left it really depends on the issue at hand. We have had the whole single payer health debt before so I know where that leads you.. ok here is the next question I want to.debt. Sen Ryan budget..lol..how do you see this up coming vote in the senate go darth. No question it won't pass but how will the gop vote. What do you think I am interested on your take on that. And sorry if any type errors Damn swipe on my phone...

 

[darthtang aw]

Honestly the Senator Ryan vote is negligable.It wont pass the senate. However, atleast it is an attempt at a plan for the budget, which is far more than the house or senate has done in the last 10 years. It will get the discourse going further as this has become a serious topic. Cuts have to be made, and some are going to hurt. We all understand this I believe. The debate is where the cuts are and how much.
Taxes also need to raise again. That is the bottomline....we can't keep cutting taxes as we have for the past 30 years...eventually you cut yourself to low. But when taxes get raised, it should be everyone, the same percentile increase across the board.
I am guessing the gang of six will come up with something themselves in the near future. I like Coburn and I have a feeling his participation in the gang of six will be tantamount.

 

[rslinger]

Honestly the Senator Ryan vote is negligable.It wont pass the senate. However, atleast it is an attempt at a plan for the budget, which is far more than the house or senate has done in the last 10 years. It will get the discourse going further as this has become a serious topic. Cuts have to be made, and some are going to hurt. We all understand this I believe. The debate is where the cuts are and how much.

Taxes also need to raise again. That is the bottomline....we can't keep cutting taxes as we have for the past 30 years...eventually you cut yourself to low. But when taxes get raised, it should be everyone, the same percentile increase across the board.

I am guessing the gang of six will come up with something themselves in the near future. I like Coburn and I have a feeling his participation in the gang of six will be tantamount.
Holy smokes I agree with almost this whole statement see I am not that far left. Your right we do need cuts and they are going to hurt somewhat. One of my biggest problems with Ryan's plan is the trillion dollars in corporate taxes that come with the cuts. It is awesome that you see the light in tax cuts I feel a true fiscal conservative should. The bush/obama tax cuts need to end and even on top of that I say we put taxes back to the rate when Reagan left office... I think we need to cut foreign aid drastically. We need to implement more rules to the entitlement programs we do have. Make it more like unemployment you gotta work so long and have so much money made to qualify for food cards rental assistance. Pass random drug screen and have a set time that you can be on with out employment. Leave Medicare and social security alone for the most part make it a little more stream lined and cost effective. I am telling I got a ton of good idea's.

 

[darthtang aw]

Ah but my dilema with tax increases is this. Unearned income child credit tax.......gone. that would be the first tax cut I would remove..........this cut hurts government revenue more than any other tax cut. It is basic redistribution of wealth with a fancy name. The could have called it the robin hood tax break and it would have been closer to the intent.
Energy efficient tax breaks....gone.....this is nothing more than a way for government to support and prop up certain agendas...I bought a new washer and dryer set in 2010. It qualified for this rebate. By the time the government would have paid me I would have bought the washer and dryer for $200. I never used this tax rebate....mainly because I disagree with it. If the product is good...government wouldn't have to entice people to buy them
.
My other dilemma...no matter what this administration says...this recession is not done or getting much better....with rising fuel costs every other cost will increase. This stifling the economy. The stimulus money will be gone.......thus stifling the economy some as well.........we wont see an unemployment drop as I believe most businesses are still running real lean as they watch the current trainwreck and thus will be able to ride it out. But what happens to the economy if we raise taxes. That is my concern at the moment with raising taxes.