Birthers.......

[rslinger]

Smokes cigarettes here are around 8 dollars a pack I just quit in January.. but yeah darth see were right there time limits drug screens and I like the community service thing to...... To corporate tax that's the problems the don't pay what there suppost to they got to many ways to hide money. Real deal my mom is an account for Alliant Energy.... They paid no corporate income tax on profits made look like they lost money and got millions back from the government in a return..... Crap like that needs to stop. All the loop holes. Need to be closed.

 

[meowzer]

$8 HOLY CRAP!!!!! I quit 6 years ago this month

 

[oscardeuce]

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Originally Posted by Rslinger http:///forum/thread/385409/birthers/60#post_3380013
Really I do wish there were no abortions I do. Would I ever want that to happen to my seed no way. But and yes there is a but, sometimes it is the best option for all. And I realize its not the unborn fault that moms a drug addict. But what you going to do make mom carry tell full term for adoption... Great so now we got a bunch of drug addicted babys up for adoption. Or I guess we could foot the bill to hold the pregnant women in jail so she can't do drugs.. see its a lose, lose situation. I don't always think abortion is right but sometimes its better than the alternative....anyway the point is planned parenthood does way more than that the one we go to for birth control does not do abortions either. I think there are only a handful in the state that do. And I like I keep saying the extremist right can keep pushing it really helps my side.
Again why are we redundantly paying for this" way more". There are already state and federal ways to get health care. In fact. EMTALA ( thanks feds) usually leaves me holding the short end after seeing one of these patients who ignore my bills. You are wrong that PP is the only way. In fact a recent GAO ( IIRC) study found so much redundancy in federal programs it was not funny.
Reform medicaid and medicare, get rid of PP and other programs. Overall you will spend less, have a smaller gov't and still serve those who legitimately need the "hand up". Now it is hand outs in exchange for votes.

 

[reefraff]

Back to the original topic. Watched a video with some photoshop experts showing the birth certificate the whitehouse has posted is a fake, an obvious fake. What peaked my interest is the guy sees it for what it is (if true, I aint a photoshop expert) That is Obama wants to milk the whole birther thing for all it's worth. He's been playing these saps for 2 1/2 years already. If people start claiming it's a fake his campaign's media allies will paint them as nuts who will never believe "the truth".
Here's a link
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3g30VCl_cgk

 

[beth]

I agree that there is appalling redundancy in what we spend our tax money on. Can we though, have an honest analysis of this, and then let the taxpayers decide what gets cut?? There is appalling redundancy spending for the armed forces, and I am pro-military. Why are we throwing millions, even billions at aid to foreign countries, foreign aid to people who mostly hate us BTW, and yet, when it comes to CUTS we look at diminishing services to our OWN people???? Why is not foreign aid on the chopping block, instead of Social Security and Medicare?
Americans have been forced to contribute to SS and Medicare for a generation, yet, now we must cut this while we are still supporting 3rd world countries who just as soon see us all die. The priorities of this country are eschewed, and, frankly, it is up to Americans to think for themselves (instead of listening to talk radio, and partician controlled media--both of which are influenced heavily by other things then the welfare of average Americans).
Shouldn't we start the cuts with those billions that go in to the buttomless pit of trying to be the welfare agent for the world, before we cut services to the middle class? Yes, and do look at our own welfare system, and the support of deadbeats in this country that contribute nothing--including those who are not even citizens.

 

[reefraff]

You can't fix this mess without dealing with Social Security and Medicare because both are unsustanible and a huge part of federal spending. We aren't going to fix any of it until we can elect a president with a backbone. Any intellectually honest person has to admire the fact Bush at least had enough guts to attempt to do something with Social Security. Even if there was a trust fund it would be bankrupt in about a decade. But just like I think if we raise taxes we should cut welfare by the same percentage I think cutting things like foreign aid and other government welfare home and abroad should go hand in hand with changes to Social Security. What really PO's me is 0bama pandering to illegals. With high unemployment why would he be pushing to give amnesty to people who should be deported? Here in Colorado it's even worse. The Democrats tried to pass through a bill that would have given illegal aliens in state tuition. At the same time it was just announced that tuition is being raised nearly 10% because the state had to reduce it's funding for higher education. How clueless can you get?

 

[beth]

Obviously, people are living longer, so early retirement option, like 62, should not be an option.
A BIG effort needs to go into Medicare reform, and, by that, I don't mean cuts; I mean elimination of fraud and excessive waste. People receiving disability should have to have that reviewed annually, obviously in cases where disability is improvable. I don't think that people with serious mental and physical disabilities, that have no hope of improvement should go through a verification process annually.
As I said, I feel a lot better of supporting our elderly than wasting money on pork spending indulged by the Legislature, support of the welfare state, and mind boggling expenditures on foreign counties. Spend our money at home, not abroad. The waste, waste, and more waste that goes on by our own government could support all of us, and especially those who have been contributinng members of society for decades, in their old age. It is wrong to make promises about forced retirement contributions, and then cut it out when you're old. That is BS.

 

[darthtang aw]

problem is, no one can get elected running on platforms that we are discussing. Only 25% of the country really pays attention and researches the issues themselves. This entire forum is a prie exmple of the demographic. Of the many members in this website, how many have actually participated in some of our discussions? Of that small group of people how many have contributed numbers/facts/research/studies to the discussion and not spouted regurgitated headlines, rhetoric, or chain emails?.
Which ever President does this...he can't run on this platform, and he/she has to be prepared for only one term.

 

[darthtang aw]

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Originally Posted by Beth http:///forum/thread/385409/birthers/100#post_3380205
As I said, I feel a lot better of supporting our elderly than wasting money on pork spending indulged by the Legislature, support of the welfare state, and mind boggling expenditures on foreign counties. Spend our money at home, not abroad. The waste, waste, and more waste that goes on by our own government could support all of us, and especially those who have been contributinng members of society for decades, in their old age. It is wrong to make promises about forced retirement contributions, and then cut it out when you're old. That is BS.
I don't have the time now, but some of our "foreign aid" top countries actually saves our citizens and government money in the grand scheme of things. Had we not created such a vast global economy, this would not be the case and we can not turn back that clock now. When I get more time, I will explain further...Or, look at where and to whom the foreign aid is going to....and what it purchases.

 

[beth]

DT, more may participate, if they didn't get overwhelmingly bruised up by partisan bang ganging. If the discussions were open to discussion, rather than bandwagon tirades on political slants.
I think that too many rely on brainwashing of television media, radio talk, and party propaganda and many times, that spills over in to the talks on this forum---so, you talk to the few in the choir rather than open the discussion to members generally.

 

[beth]

Here is a chart for foreign aid. Looks like most goes to arming foreign countries, year after year, after year.
http://www.vaughns-1-pagers.com/politics/us-foreign-aid.htm

 

[darthtang aw]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Beth http:///forum/thread/385409/birthers/100#post_3380211
DT, more may participate, if they didn't get overwhelmingly bruised up by partisan bang ganging. If the discussions were open to discussion, rather than bandwagon tirades on political slants.
I think that too many rely on brainwashing of television media, radio talk, and party propaganda and many times, that spills over in to the talks on this forum---so, you talk to the few in the choir rather than open the discussion to members generally.
I can agree with that to a degree.......I have also noticed a trend lately in some of our discussions (using the term loosely now). A few of us are bickeringg/insulting each other's views just to do it. I myself am guilty of this....
However, I still believe a vast majority still wouldn't research things themselves......But this is just opinion based off my lack of faith in the populace....

 

[beth]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
I have also noticed a trend lately in some of our discussions (using the term loosely now). A few of us are bickeringg/insulting each other's views just to do it. I myself am guilty of this....
However, I still believe a vast majority still wouldn't research things themselves......But this is just opinion based off my lack of faith in the populace....
That is not a trend lately, it has been the a fact in just about every such discussion ever since I have been here (which has been since the beginning of this site).
While, I agree many may not research, they may think more by seeing some other folks' view, or the info they present. But no one likes to be thrown under the bus publicly, and most won't participate in any discussion where they fear the outcome may be that they are ridiculed or deemed too dumb to know what they are talking about.

 

[geoj]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Beth http:///forum/thread/385409/birthers/100#post_3380221
That is not a trend lately, it has been the a fact in just about every such discussion ever since I have been here (which has been since the beginning of this site).
While, I agree many may not research, they may think more by seeing some other folks' view, or the info they present. But no one likes to be thrown under the bus publicly, and most won't participate in any discussion where they fear the outcome may be that they are ridiculed or deemed too dumb to know what they are talking about.
Wow, a very profound statement from Beth...
As it applies to posts about saltwater fish and reefs it justifies why my post count is so low, I try not to say any thing I will be ridiculed or deemed dumb for, and if I must post, it's on things I am very confident my experience and research show to be truthful.

 

[rslinger]

I know there are not many who speak out on my side on this forum. But that's ok I am not scared. The research thing well you know the answer you get change depending on where you look. Sure I take a lot from msnbc, usa today, and a lot of other liberal media so I am sure some of mine info is slated..ATLEAST I CAN ADMIT IT... One of the biggest problems with the fans od fox noise is most of them think every word on the channel is gold...like the protesting turning violent in Madison..lol really the video clip they showed had palm trees in the back round. I can tell you as I was there everyday it was not violent. The worst thing that happen was somebody unplugged the fox noise truck...but on the birthers I saw yet another guy on msnbc this morning talking about the birth certificate being fake, keep it up I love it!

 

[darthtang aw]

 
That is not a trend lately, it has been the a fact in just about every such discussion ever since I have been here (which has been since the beginning of this site).
 
While, I agree many may not research, they may think more by seeing some other folks' view, or the info they present.  But no one likes to be thrown under the bus publicly, and most won't participate in any discussion where they fear the outcome may be that they are ridiculed or deemed too dumb to know what they are talking about.
 
 
When I say lately, I am meaning about the last four years. I can remember many discussions before tthat ranging in political topics where it would last till about the fourth or fifth page before someone dropped an insult. Now we can't get off the first page. I have stopped posting these threads for the most part lately because they are no longer a discussion but a ridicule session...(I blame the banning incident for this as I looked at few things after my return and saw this in myself).
Every post started...the openning post would begin with ridicule. And turn into a my side there side war. There really is no discussion. I see this in our government as well......and I really am not surprised...as we elect those most like us in general...if we can't discuss and just argue ourselves..can we really expect any different of our elected gov ernment?
Darth (new leaf) Tang
P.s. I reserve the right to still ridicule bionis arm...as that is what we do.
I like this discussion.

 

[rslinger]

Darth I have no problem with any of you response to me I think you have been respectfull and I enjoy having a good discussion.

 

[beth]

The hatred between political sides nowdays is disturbing and very polarizing in our country in a way that it never has been before.

 

[rslinger]

The hatred between political sides nowdays is disturbing and very polarizing in our country in a way that it never has been before.
So agreed especially here in Wisconsin . I am getting married in September, and as of right now I don't think my girlfriends step-dad is coming. We never have gotten along the best but now with everything going on here...he thinks I am bringing my kids up wrong taking them to the protest at the capital with me. I think its was great for them to learn about government and there were tons of kids there. But anyway I think he is trying to ruin my kids future. Ruin there education. He told my girlfriend he hates me and my kind lol..... I told him to get his panties out of a bunch...I am not allowed at his house. Really though I would rather him not come because right now I feel hate for his kind here to...