Building my 56 gallon Column reef tank

monsinour

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The water test this evening looked better (closer to 10 than 20, prolly around 12.) and I forgot about the test this morning. Kinda useless to do a reading on a vile that has been sitting there for about 5 hours, LOL.
I also forgot to turn the pumps back on after this mornings feedings. The pumps were off for about 10 hours and so far, *knock knock, I dont see anything wrong. I do however see lots of bubbles in the tank coming up from the sand and on the LR. Could this be the nitrate leaving the tank I hope?
I know I posted elsewhere, but could adding Xenia to the tank help alliviate the nitrate "problem" that I percieve to have?
 

gemmy

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Originally Posted by Monsinour http:///forum/thread/380344/building-my-56-gallon-column-reef-tank/360#post_3320645
the water tests this morning had the nitrates back to 20. Cant get rid of them anywhere.
I honestly would not worry about the nitrates too much at this stage in the game. How much food are feeding (include everything including algae sheets)? How often are you feeding? I would start getting concerned with nitrates when you are ready or want to add SPS corals and other corals that require pristine stable water parameters. I had a nitrate slight nitrate issue in my 16 gallon and did not see any change when I added xenia.
 

monsinour

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I feed frozen mysis twice a day. Its probablytoo much for 2 fish but I cant seem to cut the frozen blocks any smaller. Today we tried some flakes and the clowns seemed to like them as well. I havent done any algea sheets as there is plenty o greens on the rock and tank walls.
 

gemmy

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You could make your own seafood mix and portion it out in clown size portions and then freeze it. I only feed my tank once a day.
 

levinjac

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i feed everyother day cause i swich back and forth from my dad to my mom so i think that every other day could help just see if they get skinny or get a raction from not eating that often
 
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smartorl

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One cube twice a day for two fish is going to quickly become an issue! That's waaayyy overfeeding and what the fish aren't eating is rotting in your tank. In my opinion, one cube once a day for two fish is still too much.
Most people thaw a mysis cube in a small amount of tank water. You could only thaw as much as you need and promptly put the rest back into the freezer.
I don't think you need to look any further for the culprit in the parameter problem.
 

monsinour

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Originally Posted by Monsinour http:///forum/thread/380344/building-my-56-gallon-column-reef-tank/360#post_3320900
I feed frozen mysis twice a day. Its probablytoo much for 2 fish but I cant seem to cut the frozen blocks any smaller. Today we tried some flakes and the clowns seemed to like them as well. I havent done any algea sheets as there is plenty o greens on the rock and tank walls.
Apparently you missed the part where i try to cut the blocks of food to make smaller ammounts of food. I may be over feeding the fish, but i cant shave off any less off the frozen cube. I would say that one frozen cube of mysis lasts me about 4 days or 8 feedings. I might be able to get 5 days and 10 feedings out of one cube.
 

btldreef

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Originally Posted by Monsinour http:///forum/thread/380344/building-my-56-gallon-column-reef-tank/360#post_3320975
Apparently you missed the part where i try to cut the blocks of food to make smaller ammounts of food. I may be over feeding the fish, but i cant shave off any less off the frozen cube. I would say that one frozen cube of mysis lasts me about 4 days or 8 feedings. I might be able to get 5 days and 10 feedings out of one cube.
I still think two feedings a day is too much for two small clowns. Many people only feed clowns every other day. For my small tanks, I defrost what I need for about 3 days and keep it thawed in the fridge soaking in vitamins and water, seems to work fine. Cutting those small cubes is a PITA.
 

monsinour

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Originally Posted by BTLDreef http:///forum/thread/380344/building-my-56-gallon-column-reef-tank/360#post_3320978
I still think two feedings a day is too much for two small clowns. Many people only feed clowns every other day. For my small tanks, I defrost what I need for about 3 days and keep it thawed in the fridge soaking in vitamins and water, seems to work fine. Cutting those small cubes is a PITA.
the 3 shrimp and nassis are really good at getting the extra food. The one thing i think this has done is made the shrimp less likely to eat anything else. I have yet to see my pepps pick at any of the aiptasia that are in the tank.
 
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smartorl

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That is as much food as I feed about 15 fish. While they may be appearing to keep up with it but you are most likely getting alot of it in nooks, crevices, and crannies that is rotting. This is going to spell disaster down the road. It is an enclosed environment, what goes in, goes somewhere. An older system that is established would possibly be able to consume your excess but a new tank with so few inhabitants, well, it's going to start accumulating. It's no different than one of your fish dying and you not removing it. It can and will effect your water quality.
I didn't miss the part about the cubes, I offered melting as much as you need in a cup and putting the rest that is still frozen back in the freezer and BTL offered her method of melting a cube and keeping it in the fridge while feeding over a few days if neccessary. There is no real way to cut the cube without likely cutting yourself, or maybe I am just blessed, lol.
 

spanko

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Originally Posted by Monsinour http:///forum/thread/380344/building-my-56-gallon-column-reef-tank/360#post_3320982
the 3 shrimp and nassis are really good at getting the extra food. The one thing i think this has done is made the shrimp less likely to eat anything else. I have yet to see my pepps pick at any of the aiptasia that are in the tank.
Think about this. No matter what the food going into the tank is rotting somewhere, whether it is uneaten food or in to form of waste (read poop here) from the critters. That food - waste is being broken down into ammonia and nitrites and then of course nitrates. Unless you are effectively removing this waste nitrates will continue to build up in the tank.
Feed less, unless you can implement a way to remove the additional nitrates, it is not gonna hurt your critters to feed them less. They will go looking for food elsewhere, picking at the nooks and crannies around the tank.
 

btldreef

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Originally Posted by Monsinour http:///forum/thread/380344/building-my-56-gallon-column-reef-tank/360#post_3320982
the 3 shrimp and nassis are really good at getting the extra food. The one thing i think this has done is made the shrimp less likely to eat anything else. I have yet to see my pepps pick at any of the aiptasia that are in the tank.
I'm sure they do a decent job, but over time, it will cause issues.
This is the problem with many peppermint shrimp, copperbanded butterflies, bristletail filefish and other supposed "Aiptasia Eaters." If other food is present in the tank, they have no reason to go searching for anything (eating nuisance anemones). My peppermints and Copperbanded don't touch the aiptasia because I feed heavily. The peppermints touched aiptasia for a few days, but quickly learned that they did not have to "work" for their food and now they're just fat and lazy, lol.
 

monsinour

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So I have switched to flakes for the time being. This prevents the food from getting to the bottom of the tank where the shrimp can get it. Maybe this will inspire them to eat other things in the tank.
Went to the LFS to get the next fish in the set, a purple fire fish. And just my luck, the LFS didnt have any. My wife spotted a torch coral and asked if the clowns would host it. I replied,"Maybe. Tank bred clowns dont know what hosting is. If you want to see it happen, this is a safer bet than the anemone a year or so from now. The coral will be easier to take care of than the anemone." I then asked the LFS guy about the care for a torch. He replied that pristine water conditions are needed and that algea can grow on the skelliton and irritate the coral. Being that my tank is new, probably doesnt have the proper nutriants, and has algea growing all over it in may different forms, its probably not a good idea for a torch at this time. So how long should I wait for the torch? I would imagine the first thing I need to do is get the reef master test kit to find out what the calcium, kh (?), amongst other readings are of my water. In all the discussion about the torch, I totally forgot to get the xenia/didnt really think about getting it. Once in the parking lot, my wife did ask. Maybe next weekend we will get the xenia.
Not to leave the store empty handed, we got the next fish on the list to get, 2 PJ cardinals. The cardinals are ORA and we watched them eat in the store. We then had him put them in a specimen container so we could give them a good look over and they looked to be really healthy. Dripped them into the tank and sure enough, they were MIA once in the tank. It took about 3 hours before they came out from under rocks and in clam shells. Once they were out, they were happily staying towards the back of the tank behind the rocks. I would imagine with such timid fish, there will be an adjustment period to get through. The 2 clowns have not shown agression towards the 2 PJs and all seems well inside the tank. Oh yea, we got 2 more margaritta snails too. they were on sale and these have nifty shells. Why margarittas? Out of all the snails in the tank, a good variety mind you, the margaritta is the only one that has been routinely found on the glass attempting to keep it clean. The next thing to get is something that eats the algea that is growing on the rocks. I have 2 astrea snails that spend all their time on the rocks, but I dont see them eating the algea I want them to eat. The nassi sticks to the sand as does the conch. The trochs that i got sticks to the rocks and I havent seen it on the glass.
Here is a perplexing question for someone. I have one cernith snail that looks like this :

I have seen this guy climg the glass to the top of the tank. A while back, about a week, in the morning I found it on its back on the substrate. I thought it was dead. I reached in and pulled the shell out only to find the snail inside and moving. So i placed it back in the tank on its bottom and like 2 minutes later it would be climbing the glass. Last night I noticed that it climbed to the top of the tank again. This morning, again, it was on its back on the bottom of the tank. I reached in again and this time, just flipped him over. Again, 2 minutes later, he was up climbing the glass again. What is going on with this wierd behavior? Is the snail ill? Physically or mentally, LOL? We have called him possum and will never think he is dead ever again.
HOWEVER, like the moron I am, in my zest to make things as perfect as possible, I broke my overflow. I bought a baby bottle brush at sprawlmart and apparently it was too big. Cursing up a storm, to myself as the kids were near, I took apart the tank to get a closer look at the damage to the overflow. I cracked the plastic on the part of the overflow that goes in the tank that starts the "U" shape tunnel to the back. I grabbed a pair of curved shears, yes shears and not scissors (my wife would kill me calling them scissors), and pulled the plastic back into place. I made sure that there wasnt a hole anywhere and put it back together. I started things up, and it works just like before. So for right now, it works like nothing is wrong and if the crack gets worse, it is under the water line so it shouldnt cause a proble. What I want to know is how long does it take for silicone to "dry" so I can properly fix this. If it does take a while, What can I do to keep the system healthy while the overflow "dries"?
water tests
79.5 (started to lower the tank temp last week for the margaritta snail. almost down to 78 where I would like it.)
SG 1.0245 (have water change water ready and will probably do 10 gallons on monday)
7.8
0
0
10
There has been a steady reduction in the nitrates. I have noticed that the cheato I have has grown since being moved into its own area in the sump.
I will accept, willingly, all the abuse about not QTing the new fish. It was hard to leave the LFS without a fish since we promised the little one her purple firefish was coming home today. What's really scarry is they did have firefish in stock. They had 3 helsinki firefish in stock. I actually prefer their colors as opposed to the other varieties of the firefish. I just cant see spending $90 for a fish. I was very very relieved that my daughter told me that she didnt like they way they looked and insisted on getting her purple firefish.
 

levinjac

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YAY my nassi does the same thing climbs to the top goes oopd i dont like it here and jumps SNAIL DIVING also PICS!! its ok with the fire fish just get it when the cardnils were planed
 

monsinour

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Originally Posted by levinjac http:///forum/thread/380344/building-my-56-gallon-column-reef-tank/360#post_3321824
YAY my nassi does the same thing climbs to the top goes oopd i dont like it here and jumps SNAIL DIVING also PICS!! its ok with the fire fish just get it when the cardnils were planed
That is what i going to do. I have to wait 2 weeks, since I added 2 fish, and then get the firefish. After the firefish, I finally get to get the fish I picked all by my self to add to the tank. I should start a countdown timer until I get my McCoskers wrasse. The LFS even had one today. I almost said, lets get that instead. It was cheaper than the cardinals combined, and it was the lowest price i ever seen on one of these fish, including the online places.
 

levinjac

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well thats good that you get YOUR fish after the firefish maybe you can qt the fire fish the qt should be done cycling by then
 

monsinour

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2 questions
1. was I correct in the decision to not get the torch because my tank is soo new?
2. When something eats a peppermint shrimp, should there be any leftover shell to find? (yes, i cant find one of my pepps.)
Oh yea, my fire shrimp molted again. I left the shell in there and nothing has eaten it yet. Was debating taking it out tonight. The 2 cardinals are acting all shy and whatnot and barely eat when the tank is fed. I have kinda switched to flakes for the time being to make the shrimp eat other things. The clowns eat the flakes just fine. The cardinals do not come to the surface to eat the flakes. They only eat the mysis when it floats to the back of the tank. I would imagine that once they feel more secure in the new enviroment, they will eat better. Yes?
 
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