Building my 56 gallon Column reef tank

gemmy

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Yes, I feel you were correct in waiting to get the torch. I would go with some Xenia or mushrooms and go from there.
When one of my cleaners was murdered, I did find a body. It might just be really good at hiding. I

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Hey, aren't we missing some new pics? New fish = pics (at least in my book)
 

monsinour

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Originally Posted by Gemmy http:///forum/thread/380344/building-my-56-gallon-column-reef-tank/380#post_3322294
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Yes, I feel you were correct in waiting to get the torch. I would go with some Xenia or mushrooms and go from there.
When one of my cleaners was murdered, I did find a body. It might just be really good at hiding. I

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Hey, aren't we missing some new pics? New fish = pics (at least in my book)
Good, i wanted to be sure I made the correct decision. Xenia is probably next. I might post on the local boards that I am looking for some and get some at a discount or something. I have a feeling that my wife wants the 2 sexy shrimp in the tank like last week. She keeps asking about them. If something can eat the pepp, then there is something that can surely eat the sexy. The pepp might be really good at hiding, but they all used to come out when I feed mysis. The last 2 times I did that, only the 1 pepp showed up.
New pics, um ok. As long as I can coax them out from behind the rocks I will. Let me go sit over there for a while.
 

monsinour

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So here we go with the pics
Shot along the back of the tank with 1 PJ and 1 Clown and all the life on the rocks. I believe the clown is looking for some isopods to eat.

Here is the pair of clowns. Still looking healthy and having a good time.

One of the new margarita snails in the tank. They both have the shiny spots and both have joined in with their brother in eating the algea off of the glass.

We have the "seal rock" up front in the tank. It has some stuff growing on it and I was curious as to what it was. The white stuff towards the bottom is sponge and I know that. The white stuff towards the top appears to be some kind of worm. Then there is green algea growing on it that is "hair" like. I call it the grass. Then there is that algea covered in what appears to be diatoms. Am I right about the diatoms? Is that grass actually bad algea?



This is the same PJ as above


And here is the other PJ

Here is another piece of coral that I dont know what it is. Here it is "open"

and closed

And finally, the fire shrimp.
 

gemmy

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Ohh, everything looks to be coming along very well. That is hair algae and it can become a nuisance. Some people pull it off. I have never had an issue with hair algae, but it is very common. Some critters will eat it. I think it feeds off either nitrates or phosphates or both.
 

monsinour

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Well, there is never anything alive on the seal rock so what would be the harm in pulling that rock out of the tank and giving it a good scrubbing to get all of that stuff off of it?
 
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smartorl

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I think that's a cup coral. Very pretty!
You should start to see a reduction in the hair algae growth with the feedings being cut back. You can pluck it off the rocks to help remove it or at least mow it down short enough that some of the critters will eat it. I find that when it gets longer, the critters find it less appealing.
 

levinjac

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ya and youll probibly get more of a reaction from a goby i kept feeding mysis when i first got it and it would not eat at all for two weeks i thought it would dye but it only eats flakes i found out so now i feed a little flakes and mysis a day geese stupid goby not eating good food
and wel wait for the pep it may be hiding
 

btldreef

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Originally Posted by Monsinour http:///forum/thread/380344/building-my-56-gallon-column-reef-tank/360#post_3322291
2 questions
1. was I correct in the decision to not get the torch because my tank is soo new? Yes. I would wait a month or two at least. Things seem to be going well in your tank, so by Christmas, I see no reason why you couldn't add it if things continue to go well.
2. When something eats a peppermint shrimp, should there be any leftover shell to find? (yes, i cant find one of my pepps.) Are you positive it's dead? I have 5-7 in my tank right now and only ever see one at a time. Usually if it is eaten, nothing should be left.
Oh yea, my fire shrimp molted again. I left the shell in there and nothing has eaten it yet. Was debating taking it out tonight. It's really personal decision. I used to pull the molts out, but now I leave them. They do add calcium back into the tank, how much, that is a different story.
The 2 cardinals are acting all shy and whatnot and barely eat when the tank is fed. They take a long time to acclimate. Once they get used to the tank and realize there isn't much of a threat, they should come out more. They're a shy fish by nature.
I have kinda switched to flakes for the time being to make the shrimp eat other things. The clowns eat the flakes just fine. The cardinals do not come to the surface to eat the flakes. They only eat the mysis when it floats to the back of the tank. I would imagine that once they feel more secure in the new enviroment, they will eat better. Yes? Yes, but I still never see mine go to the surface for food.

I'm a little confused as to why you still have a nitrate reading with so many different types of algae in the tank.
So you're still feeding mysis for the cardinals, yes? How often? I woul recommend still feeding mysis at least once every third day. Flake isn't the best for fish, I know why you're doing it and agree, just make sure they're still being fed something else every so often.
The tank is coming along really nice. I'm very jealous of the quality of rock you got!
 

btldreef

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The algae in question does look like hair algae with diatoms on it. You can simply pull out what you can get off. Most critters will not eat it, at least that has been my experience.
The coral looks like Hidden Cup Coral.
 

monsinour

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I fed the original frozen food this evening as a change of pace to see if the clowns would eat it and if the cardinals would eat it and they both did. I kinda overfed this evening on purpose to see if the shrimp would all come out. One of 2 things has happened to the missing peppermint. It either got squished in some rocks as some parts of the rock work arent that stable OR it got eaten. The shrimp that is missing is the one that is not so timid. It used to come right up to the glass during feedings to get what it can and the other one would stay in the rock work waiting for something to fall close to it. As far as being squished, nothing has moved in a week in the tank and there really is only one spot it can hide that i cant see with my flash light. But even hiding there, I would normally be able to see some kind of antenna or something on the shrimp. I am not going to say its dead and gone for good until I know for sure. However, I am thinking it got eaten. Out of all the things in my tank, the only 2 culprits are the fire shrimp and the peppermint shrimp yes? I really dont think clowns could do it and the shrimp has been missing since before the cardinals were introduced. I know there are worms in the tank but I dont think they could have taken down the shrimp. I dont think it was the peppermint that did it and I do believe it was the fire shrimp. Add to the fact that the fire shrimp just molted after being the last shrimp to molt makes me think he grew so fast because he got a good meal. The fire shrimp was terirorial towards his corner and even when the fighting conch goes near it he gets all "up in his face" about it. I saw the fire shrimp tap on the snail's shell today during the feeding and started to wonder if the shrimp could actually do damage to the conch. I do remeber that the fire shrimp could be some what agressive towards the others in the tank, but could it have eaten the peppermint and then actually take down the conch snail? So now I believe I am down a shrimp and there is a fire shrimp thats eating the other shrimp in the tank. This doesnt bode well for the sexy shrimp that are supposed to go into the tank. What to do?
So, as best I can, pull the hair algea off of the rock and try to keep it short? Once the water conditions improve the hair algea should go away?
As far as the rock I got, yes it was completely full of life. I only paid $6.49 per pound for it. I have been back to that LFS many times since then and they have not had rock that looks like what I got since. I have been to almost all the other LFS in the area and none of them have rock that looks remotely as alive as mine did when I bought it. I am on the fence about the rock too. I know that the alive rock introduced the problems that were in the tank, crab and mantis, and it has all the bad algea growing on it, and it had the most aiptasia growing on it as well. However, this rock also introduced all the feather dusters I have, all the nifty limpets I have (-1 now as I accidentally killed one trying to trim other algea), and all the other cool little things that are in the tank. I have yet to eradicate all the aiptasia I have, 2 left. And the headache of catching the crab and the nightmare of not catching the mantis, I am not completely sold on the live rock. The next setup I do will probably have completely dead rock introduced into the tank and I will just cure it myself.
I got a new heater for the QT and hooked it up. Havent checked the temp on it lately but I saw the light on so I knew it was working. Next purchase for the tank will probably be the purple firefish in about 2 weeks. Not sure what I am going to do about the Xenia. I know it grows like a weed and most people are trying to get rid of it, but usually when someone wants it, someone else will charge for it.
 

btldreef

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Originally Posted by Monsinour http:///forum/thread/380344/building-my-56-gallon-column-reef-tank/380#post_3322634
I fed the original frozen food this evening as a change of pace to see if the clowns would eat it and if the cardinals would eat it and they both did. I kinda overfed this evening on purpose to see if the shrimp would all come out. One of 2 things has happened to the missing peppermint. It either got squished in some rocks as some parts of the rock work arent that stable OR it got eaten. The shrimp that is missing is the one that is not so timid. It used to come right up to the glass during feedings to get what it can and the other one would stay in the rock work waiting for something to fall close to it. As far as being squished, nothing has moved in a week in the tank and there really is only one spot it can hide that i cant see with my flash light. But even hiding there, I would normally be able to see some kind of antenna or something on the shrimp. I am not going to say its dead and gone for good until I know for sure. However, I am thinking it got eaten. Out of all the things in my tank, the only 2 culprits are the fire shrimp and the peppermint shrimp yes? I really dont think clowns could do it and the shrimp has been missing since before the cardinals were introduced. I know there are worms in the tank but I dont think they could have taken down the shrimp. I dont think it was the peppermint that did it and I do believe it was the fire shrimp. Add to the fact that the fire shrimp just molted after being the last shrimp to molt makes me think he grew so fast because he got a good meal. The fire shrimp was terirorial towards his corner and even when the fighting conch goes near it he gets all "up in his face" about it. I saw the fire shrimp tap on the snail's shell today during the feeding and started to wonder if the shrimp could actually do damage to the conch. I do remeber that the fire shrimp could be some what agressive towards the others in the tank, but could it have eaten the peppermint and then actually take down the conch snail? So now I believe I am down a shrimp and there is a fire shrimp thats eating the other shrimp in the tank. This doesnt bode well for the sexy shrimp that are supposed to go into the tank. What to do? You bring up a valid point about the fire shrimp just molting. My fire shrimp has always behaved with my peps, but they can be aggressive.
So, as best I can, pull the hair algea off of the rock and try to keep it short? Once the water conditions improve the hair algea should go away? Yes.

As far as the rock I got, yes it was completely full of life. I only paid $6.49 per pound for it. I have been back to that LFS many times since then and they have not had rock that looks like what I got since. I have been to almost all the other LFS in the area and none of them have rock that looks remotely as alive as mine did when I bought it. I am on the fence about the rock too. I know that the alive rock introduced the problems that were in the tank, crab and mantis, and it has all the bad algea growing on it, and it had the most aiptasia growing on it as well. However, this rock also introduced all the feather dusters I have, all the nifty limpets I have (-1 now as I accidentally killed one trying to trim other algea), and all the other cool little things that are in the tank. I have yet to eradicate all the aiptasia I have, 2 left. And the headache of catching the crab and the nightmare of not catching the mantis, I am not completely sold on the live rock. The next setup I do will probably have completely dead rock introduced into the tank and I will just cure it myself. I think you're fine with the amount of LR you have and adding dead rock is the safest option now that there are inhabitants in the tank anyways. I actually QT fully cured LR to avoid adding unwanted hitchhikers, which is a hassel on its own.
I got a new heater for the QT and hooked it up. Havent checked the temp on it lately but I saw the light on so I knew it was working. Next purchase for the tank will probably be the purple firefish in about 2 weeks. Not sure what I am going to do about the Xenia. I know it grows like a weed and most people are trying to get rid of it, but usually when someone wants it, someone else will charge for it. One of my LFS's sells huge pieces for $5 -. If you're patient, someone will give it away for free.
 

monsinour

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So, the fire shrimp. If he has a sh!teating grin on his face, he ate it yea? Should I watch him with the other pepp to see if it goes away anytime soon? Should I be worried about the sexy shrimp that arent even in the tank yet? Should I remove the fire and get the sexy?
Wait a tick, what ones are better cleaners, fire or sexy? If I get rid of the fire I can get skunks then yea? Its too bad that I am already discussing the removal of an inhabitant in the tank. If only he could understand me when I say,"don't eat your friends!"
 

btldreef

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Originally Posted by Monsinour http:///forum/thread/380344/building-my-56-gallon-column-reef-tank/380#post_3322649
So, the fire shrimp. If he has a sh!teating grin on his face, he ate it yea? Should I watch him with the other pepp to see if it goes away anytime soon? Should I be worried about the sexy shrimp that arent even in the tank yet? Should I remove the fire and get the sexy? If he's eating peppermints, chances are he'll eat the sexy shrimp even quicker. If you had an anemone for the sexy shrimp to hide out in, you might be in better shape, but I wouldn't risk it with a rogue Fire Shrimp.
Wait a tick, what ones are better cleaners, fire or sexy? If I get rid of the fire I can get skunks then yea? Its too bad that I am already discussing the removal of an inhabitant in the tank. If only he could understand me when I say,"don't eat your friends!" My suggestion would be to banish the bad little fire shrimp to the sump, and put in two skunks and the sexy shrimp. As far as cleaning, Skunk's are definitely the best. I don't think that sexy shrimps really clean all that much, but they are cool. I can't put them in most of my tanks because my damn fish try to eat them and when they try to hide in the anemone, the clowns and porcelain anemone crab harass them.
 

monsinour

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So its back to waiting to get the anemone for the sexy shrimp. neato. Dont think the wife will take to kindly to banishing the shrimp to the fuge as she says we paid so much for it.
But if it is eating things, there might be no other alternative.
 

mylady

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OK, I feel compelled to defend Big Red here. I don't think he's been eating anyone in our tank. With how overfed hubby has been keeping everyone, why would he fight for a meal when there is food aplenty? If he DID eat one of the peppermint shrimp my theory is the shrimp died during the rock quake of 2010, caused by my husband moving rocks around and knocking a bunch down. Then perhaps Big Red simply wanted to help keep us from mourning the loss of a dear little shrimp and consumed him/her out of concern for us and our well being. I still think he's the prettiest thing in the tank and though he has definitely claimed his spot, the most I have seen him do when someone has come into his area is give them a gentle tap and remind them to keep on moving. So before we condemn poor Red, lets get as much proof as we can. The peppermint shrimp still in there is not looking good right now and not acting right, so I don't want poor Red blamed for that one's demise as he hasn't taken one step near him/her. Maybe it's a murder/suicide going on with the peps. One pep kills the other and now feels so guilty he/she has done something to cause his/her own demise. Hey, it's a theory.
 
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