Bush's War

1journeyman

Active Member
Originally Posted by rudedog40
http:///forum/post/2565475
So what you want is an infinite war. That's what it'll take to kill every single terrorist you think will harm the US one day. Al Qaeda and other terrorist groups are teaching 10 and 11 year old boys how to fire AK-47's. This 'war' in the Middle East has been going on for centuries, and no matter what democracy, resurgance, or how many 'boots on the ground' you put or do over there, it's virtually impossible to erradicate terrorism as we know it.
You want to stop it? Sterilize every single female that lives in the Middle East. Kill of the source of the 'terrorist machine' and you kill off terrorism. That's the only way you will completely erradicate terrorism in this world...
Because every Arab in the Middle East is a terrorist?
 

rudedog40

Member
Originally Posted by Crashbandicoot
http:///forum/post/2565508
Did this post actually have a point ? Are you avocating not acting against terrorisim . So we should just go back to our pre 9-11-01 blind to the real world veiws . That nobody is out to get us ?
I hear about how we are just not ready to change all the time . The world has changed and you don't see it do you . You think we can live and let live and the bad guys will just lay down their (ak-47) and adopt peacfull Ideals ?
That terrorist will come baring the olive branch and no longer bombs ?
The terrorists will continue to wage war on anybody they can . Thats exactly why we can not give them a second chance to catch us asleep . Last time was hijacked aircraft next time it will be a dirty bomb you can bet your bank account on that .

Doesn't have a point? Speak for your own paranoid posts. You're crying we should spend until the end of time fighting this ghost you call terrorism. But you're fighting a losing battle. MY POST clearly states that no matter what you throw at these people, no matter how many of them you kill, there will be 10 times as many of them to take their place. I never said 'live and let live'. Terroism is like a cancer. You can treat the symptoms as best you can, but there are some strains of cancer you can't kill no matter what you do them. You need to face reality.
Hate to tell you, but we've already put our heads on the pillow, and the terrorist are playing the lullabies. They're already in our bedrooms, waiting for that perfect opportunity to strike.
 

1journeyman

Active Member
Originally Posted by rudedog40
http:///forum/post/2565536
Doesn't have a point? Speak for your own paranoid posts. You're crying we should spend until the end of time fighting this ghost you call terrorism. But you're fighting a losing battle. MY POST clearly states that no matter what you throw at these people, no matter how many of them you kill, there will be 10 times as many of them to take their place. I never said 'live and let live'. Terroism is like a cancer. You can treat the symptoms as best you can, but there are some strains of cancer you can't kill no matter what you do them. You need to face reality.
Hate to tell you, but we've already put our heads on the pillow, and the terrorist are playing the lullabies. They're already in our bedrooms, waiting for that perfect opportunity to strike.
You have absolutely no evidence of that. It's just a "scare tactic" to try to justify cutting and running.
 

crashbandicoot

Active Member
Originally Posted by rudedog40
http:///forum/post/2565529
stupid analogy. The fact of the matter is, we have the oil, the oil companies and US government don't want to use it. There's enough oil under US soil to last WAY past either you, your grandkids, or their grandkids. It's just when do we use it to get away from foreign oil dependency.

Sorry figured somebody would have to dumb it down for you since you didn't and still don't get it .
 

zman1

Active Member
Peace in the region will happen when pigs fly or when the Israeli-Palestinian conflict gets solved, which ever comes first - That's an example of a 100 year war....
 

crashbandicoot

Active Member
Originally Posted by rudedog40
http:///forum/post/2565536
Doesn't have a point? Speak for your own paranoid posts. You're crying we should spend until the end of time fighting this ghost you call terrorism. But you're fighting a losing battle. MY POST clearly states that no matter what you throw at these people, no matter how many of them you kill, there will be 10 times as many of them to take their place. I never said 'live and let live'. Terroism is like a cancer. You can treat the symptoms as best you can, but there are some strains of cancer you can't kill no matter what you do them. You need to face reality.
Hate to tell you, but we've already put our heads on the pillow, and the terrorist are playing the lullabies. They're already in our bedrooms, waiting for that perfect opportunity to strike.

So what is it exactly you think is a good stratgey to use for this ? You honeslty seam to come off just like every other dem with the point your finger but not really have a clue other than sit at home and wait for it to happen again . I know lets worry about health care god knows we will all need it when the terrorists come knocking on our door again .
Good plan You all have changed my mind . I am going to vote for a president and a war in the heartland .
 

crashbandicoot

Active Member
Paranoid post ? thats funny .10 years ago had anybody said there would be a major attack on american soil you all would laugh and say your just paranoid . There is a differance between paranoid and opening your eyes to the world around you .
 

rudedog40

Member
Originally Posted by Crashbandicoot
http:///forum/post/2565559
Paranoid post ? thats funny .10 years ago had anybody said there would be a major attack on american soil you all would laugh and say your just paranoid . There is a differance between paranoid and opening your eyes to the world around you .
10 years ago? Terrorism has been around a lot longer than that. For a history lesson on terrorism, go here:
http://www.terrorism-research.com/history/recent.php
One of the first terroristic attacks that would be considered similar to modern day attacks, was back in 1968 when the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP) hijacked an El Al airliner en route from Tel Aviv to Rome. It's gotten worse since. You and your pro-war cronies just started be reactionarys after 9-11. You this worried about terrorism when they hit the WTC the first time? Of course not. It was, "Wow that was something. But it only shook the building a little. No big deal." Where was all the furvor to run over to the Middle East then and squash all forms of terrorism? Oh, that's right! That was Clinton's fault!! So once your buddy Bush got in office, why didn't he do something then, instead of waiting 3 years? He had the majority in Congress. What stopped him? OIL. Didn't want to rock the boat. But it sure bit him in the rear with 9-11 didn't it. You Bush Lovers think he had no knowledge of Al Qaeda and what they were capable of doing before he was in office? PLEASE. He probably was sitting next to Daddy when he was thinking of doing something. Which he should have done when we were over there in the first Gulf War. Nope. He accomplished what he wanted -- protecting his oil interests in Kuwait. Let Sadaam build up his supposed WMD cache, and have his Al Qaeda buddies start coming across the borders. Meanwhile, Daddy did his CutNRun. But now that Sonny Boy is there, that's not an option.
 

rudedog40

Member
Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2565541
You have absolutely no evidence of that. It's just a "scare tactic" to try to justify cutting and running.
No evidence of what? That terrorists already exist inside our borders? Come on journey, you can't be that naive! Where were they before 9-11? SITTING IN FLORIDA LEARNING TO FLY OUR PLANES! You think they all just packed up and left after 9-11? Man, you just don't get it. What does it have to do with cutting and running? IT'S A LOST CAUSE! Open your eyes and read what I''ve said 100 times. Terrorism is in their blood. They learn it right after they learn how to walk and talk. No matter how much peace and democracy you cram down their throats, there's some group over there that despises Americans so much, they'll do whatever it takes to rid us from their region.
What's ironic is if we had never ever gone over there and gotten involved with their politics and religious wars, 9-11 may have never happened. Middle Eastern Bloc countries have always known they weren't a World Power. Even if they had nuclear capability back in the 70's, they knew if they even attempted one shot, either the US or Russia would have made that entire region a wastleland for the next 10,000 years. But the US had to get involved. So now the entire region thinks we're the scurge of evil, and it's there mission in life to rid this world of the dominance and arrogance known as the USA.
 

rudedog40

Member
Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2565550
I can't get over this...
Rudedog; Are you, Rylan and others arguing for Socializing the oil and Gas Companies?
What? Just the opposite. We have the oil deposits available to us to support our country for over a century. The government has the same paranoia that you terrorist-fearing people have in that you think if we tap into our supply, it'll be gone in 5 years. The government is already regulating the amount of oil we can take out. Like I said, they won't allow my cousin to pump at his maximum capacity. So in that sense, the Federal Government has already 'socialized' how much oil an individual or company can obtain.
 

crashbandicoot

Active Member
Wow look at the big brain on rude dog . Have another cup of coffee your not jumping around as much as you could . I never claimed terrorism was a new thing in the last 10 years . I was only pointing out that 10 years ago the majority of americans thought a strike in the united states was practically imposible . 9-12-01 We all saw life a little different .
There are many different faces to international terrorism . In fact the term Terrorist goes back a lot further than the late 1960's . It was first coined in the french revolution . It has more than 100 different meanings . But to keep it simple lets just stick with the late 1960's to present . You managed to make a nice little point with the PLFP. You want to stick with the middle east and discuss any one of the following ?
Hezbollah, Translated (the party of allah) First action in the early 80's a lebanese Group whos manifesto includes the iradication of western culture in lebanon
Hamas, ( or islamic resistance movement ) First actions in the late 1980's. A group that hold a majority of the palastinien parlaments seats . known to attack both military and civilian targets vis suicide bombers .
fatah al-islam,ansar al-islam ? Or do you want to head north and talk about
 

crashbandicoot

Active Member
Wow look at the big brain on rude dog . Have another cup of coffee your not jumping around as much as you could . I never claimed terrorism was a new thing in the last 10 years . I was only pointing out that 10 years ago the majority of americans thought a strike in the united states was practically imposible . 9-12-01 We all saw life a little different .
There are many different faces to international terrorism . In fact the term Terrorist goes back a lot further than the late 1960's . It was first coined in the french revolution . It has more than 100 different meanings . But to keep it simple lets just stick with the late 1960's to present . You managed to make a nice little point with the PLFP. You want to stick with the middle east and discuss any one of the following ?
Hezbollah, Translated (the party of allah) First action in the early 80's a lebanese Group whos manifesto includes the iradication of western culture in lebanon
Hamas, ( or islamic resistance movement ) First actions in the late 1980's. A group that hold a majority of the palastinien parlaments seats . known to attack both military and civilian targets via suicide bombers .
PLF (palestine liberation front ) Founded in the late 1950's but later split into your PLFP. Fought against the PLO in the Lebanese Civil war . (1975-1990)
PKK (kurdistan workers party) founded in the late 1070's . A marxist group in the area of northern IRAQ ,Turkey and Kurdistan. ooops I mentioned IRAQ in there and we all know there were no terrorists in Iraq until we went there .
I could also point out just for your sake that the United states goverment and its alies have been fighting a war on terror long before lil bush anounced it .
British SAS (special air service regemant) this group goes back as far as WWII they were founded in th early 1940's Later on they would train Col . Beckwith who would start the U.S Armys Delta force .
U.S Army Delta force . (SFOD-D) First operational action was into IRAN (neighboring country of IRAQ) in 1980, To rescue 52 U.S diplomats that were held for 444 days .
The previously mentioned mission was a failure and saw the birth of the 160th SOAR (special operations aviation regiment ) also known as nightstalkers . Who have seen combat in every military confrontation since then .
Naval Special Warfare Comand more commonly known as Navy Seals . Team VI to be more exact was created in the late 80's to combat terrorism .
Serriously RUDEDOG save the half hearted history lesson for somebody that needs it . I know full well that terrorism is not a new thing . I also understand that its not going to go away anytime soon . Terrorism and its tactics are far more devistating than conventional warfare . As seen in the past absolulty no military training is needed to execute terrorist attacks . As you have pointed out even a 10 year old can become a solider in a terrorist organization .
 

reefraff

Active Member
Originally Posted by rudedog40
http:///forum/post/2565811
What? Just the opposite. We have the oil deposits available to us to support our country for over a century. The government has the same paranoia that you terrorist-fearing people have in that you think if we tap into our supply, it'll be gone in 5 years. The government is already regulating the amount of oil we can take out. Like I said, they won't allow my cousin to pump at his maximum capacity. So in that sense, the Federal Government has already 'socialized' how much oil an individual or company can obtain.
Where the hell do you come up with these crack pot theories? The reason our domestic sources are not being Fully exploited is environmental concerns for the most part. ANWAR, Coasts of California and Florida all have large reserves that are off limits because of environmental concerns.
One thing you got right, We have a whole lot more reserves than people think. There are a ton of old abandoned fields that were shut down once the easy to get oil was played out and the land became more valuable than the oil. The stuff wasn't worth pumping out for 30 or 40 bux a barrel.
 

suzy

Member
BS. If the Cons wanted to drill our Strategic Oil Reserves, they would have. You keep blaming all our countries woes on the libs when the cons had complete control of congress!
Geez, I wonder why they call it "Reserves", like we are saving it or something.

Plus, if Exxon did tap our reserved oil, why do you think they would sell it here? They can get $8 bucks a gallon in Europe.
 

rudedog40

Member
Originally Posted by Crashbandicoot
http:///forum/post/2566178
Wow look at the big brain on rude dog . Have another cup of coffee your not jumping around as much as you could . I never claimed terrorism was a new thing in the last 10 years . I was only pointing out that 10 years ago the majority of americans thought a strike in the united states was practically imposible . 9-12-01 We all saw life a little different .
There are many different faces to international terrorism . In fact the term Terrorist goes back a lot further than the late 1960's . It was first coined in the french revolution . It has more than 100 different meanings . But to keep it simple lets just stick with the late 1960's to present . You managed to make a nice little point with the PLFP. You want to stick with the middle east and discuss any one of the following ?
Hezbollah, Translated (the party of allah) First action in the early 80's a lebanese Group whos manifesto includes the iradication of western culture in lebanon
Hamas, ( or islamic resistance movement ) First actions in the late 1980's. A group that hold a majority of the palastinien parlaments seats . known to attack both military and civilian targets via suicide bombers .
PLF (palestine liberation front ) Founded in the late 1950's but later split into your PLFP. Fought against the PLO in the Lebanese Civil war . (1975-1990)
PKK (kurdistan workers party) founded in the late 1070's . A marxist group in the area of northern IRAQ ,Turkey and Kurdistan. ooops I mentioned IRAQ in there and we all know there were no terrorists in Iraq until we went there .
I could also point out just for your sake that the United states goverment and its alies have been fighting a war on terror long before lil bush anounced it .
British SAS (special air service regemant) this group goes back as far as WWII they were founded in th early 1940's Later on they would train Col . Beckwith who would start the U.S Armys Delta force .
U.S Army Delta force . (SFOD-D) First operational action was into IRAN (neighboring country of IRAQ) in 1980, To rescue 52 U.S diplomats that were held for 444 days .
The previously mentioned mission was a failure and saw the birth of the 160th SOAR (special operations aviation regiment ) also known as nightstalkers . Who have seen combat in every military confrontation since then .
Naval Special Warfare Comand more commonly known as Navy Seals . Team VI to be more exact was created in the late 80's to combat terrorism .
Serriously RUDEDOG save the half hearted history lesson for somebody that needs it . I know full well that terrorism is not a new thing . I also understand that its not going to go away anytime soon . Terrorism and its tactics are far more devistating than conventional warfare . As seen in the past absolulty no military training is needed to execute terrorist attacks . As you have pointed out even a 10 year old can become a solider in a terrorist organization .

I see we agree that terrorism is something that will never go away. But you want to keep poking a stick at it hoping it doesn't strike back. Sorry, but if I come across something that may inflict pain on me, I steer clear and go the other way. You leave it alone, and eventually, it'll leave you alone.
 

rudedog40

Member
Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/2566191
Where the hell do you come up with these crack pot theories? The reason our domestic sources are not being Fully exploited is environmental concerns for the most part. ANWAR, Coasts of California and Florida all have large reserves that are off limits because of environmental concerns.
One thing you got right, We have a whole lot more reserves than people think. There are a ton of old abandoned fields that were shut down once the easy to get oil was played out and the land became more valuable than the oil. The stuff wasn't worth pumping out for 30 or 40 bux a barrel.
Crackpot theories? You just validated the oil is out there. It's the tree-hugger environmentalists that don't want us to touch it. But hey, they'll drive their SUV's and run that A/C to keep their houses at 65 degrees in the summer. And yes, the government is limiting how much oil can be pulled out of the ground by independent owners. I figure it's just the government paying back the oil companies for those days when oil was only going for 30 to 40 bucks a barrel.
 

reefraff

Active Member
Originally Posted by rudedog40
http:///forum/post/2566247
Crackpot theories? You just validated the oil is out there. It's the tree-hugger environmentalists that don't want us to touch it. But hey, they'll drive their SUV's and run that A/C to keep their houses at 65 degrees in the summer. And yes, the government is limiting how much oil can be pulled out of the ground by independent owners. I figure it's just the government paying back the oil companies for those days when oil was only going for 30 to 40 bucks a barrel.
Yeah, right. Dunno what your cousin's issues are but as of about 3 months ago a friend in Montana who runs a company producing on both private and public leases was pumping it fast as they could, just like everyone else.
 

crashbandicoot

Active Member
Originally Posted by rudedog40
http:///forum/post/2566245
I see we agree that terrorism is something that will never go away. But you want to keep poking a stick at it hoping it doesn't strike back. Sorry, but if I come across something that may inflict pain on me, I steer clear and go the other way. You leave it alone, and eventually, it'll leave you alone.

Well I see it more like the yard around your house being full of snakes . YOu have to go out and get rid of them everyday otherwise one will slip thru a crack and come in your home then when your duaghter goes to get a drink of water in the middle of the night the snake will bite her and she will die . All because you wanted to let the snakes live .
So for the last 40 years how much poking have we done ? Pre 9-11 how much poking had we done to Al Queda ? That seamed to work didn't it ?
 
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