College Bowl Games

[kjr_trig]

Originally Posted by crypt keeper
http:///forum/post/3184714
Bowl games only mean you won 7 games during the season. That doest make you a better conference. Any team can beat another team in college ball. USC always loses to some sorry school in its own conference. It was Stanford then Washington. Then Oregon State. If that is your measure for success in that conference please start over. The SEC had two schools 12-0 entering last week. Top to bottom as a whole the SEC blows away any conference. They have a ton of schools and each week they battle. If USC had to play in that conference every year they would be like Arkansas or Ole Miss good every once in a while but far from domination. Your Conference has had zero parity for the most part. USC wins em all but 1 and does or doesnt play for a National Championship depending if the better conferences beat each other up. How is that a good conference?
Take a guess how many times USC has lost out of conference since 2003? How about once, thats 31-1!!!!!!! and that is not playing cream puffs, Pete is undefeated against the SEC, his only ever loss out of conference took the greatest single performance ever by Vince Young. Yet in that time frame USC has lost to every team in the Pac 10 except WSU. USC dominates out of conference yet always loses in conference. RR is right, your logic is way twisted.
The Pac 10 having the best record in bowl games doesn't mean anything...Did you read that before you typed it?? USC has future NFL players all over the place on their team this year, yet they are 6th in the PAC!!
Let me repeat, Pete Carroll has never lost to an SEC team. Yet you magically think they would get dominated with all their NFL talent (that would be 12 players drafted last year alone)....Please

 

[crypt keeper]

You are arguing 1 school for entire conference. Then saying that conference is great. How is my logic screwed up?
WAC TOPS NATION IN ALL-TIME BOWL RECORDS – The WAC’s nine teams have an all-time record of 33-27-2 (.548) in bowl games. That winning percentage is the best among the 11 FBS conferences based on current membership. The ACC is second at .529 followed by the SEC (.528) and Pac-10 (.523).
That taken from ESPN.com
Does this mean the PAC 10 is a worse Conference than the WAC? By both your numbers and RR it sure does. But you would argue till you die the Pac 10 is the best but bowl games matter right? Well since they matter all of a sudden guess what. You're wrong. Pac 10 is no where near the best. But lets be realistic here. The best Pac 10 has to offer will beat the best, oh wait thats right they did lose to the best the WAC had to offer silly me.
The Pac 10 is 4th best overall not the best like you have stated. You have 1 school that is worth a damn year in year out. Every once in a while somebody else will show up. That conference has won 1 National Championship this decade while the all mighty sec has well lets start counting. Now you play to be the best right or in your case just win a few bowl games we will show em who is best. Go Car Care Bowls and humitarian bowls. We will show em who is the best of the who gives a crap bowls that 30,000 people may remember to show up too.

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by crypt keeper
http:///forum/post/3184795
Theres an intelligent response.
Far more intelligent than presenting the premise that having 2 teams going 12-0 into the final weekend meant the league, "top to bottom blows away any other". What that shows is the teams had an easy enough path through the season to get to the end unscathed.
Also far more intelligent than saying bowl games only meant you won 7 games all year. What bowl game wins means is you had a winning record (in most cases) and faced and beat another team with a winning record you may or may not be failure with.
As far as the USC bashing goes when was the last time a team from the SEC beat them?

 

[kjr_trig]

USC has 2 National Championships this decade, and lost on the last play of the game keeping them from a 3rd...Where have you been, under a rock.%%
The WAC plays against Central Michigan in the Jimmy Dean Sausage Bowl most years, of course they have a good record in Bowls, besides I'm talking recent history here.
BCS Bowls have been around for 10 years, they are the biggest of the Bowl Games....Agreed? PAC 10 has the second best record in BCS games only to the SEC, the Big 12 is the worst of the six major conferences. Further, (are you still with me?) USC, Washington, Oregon, and Oregon St have all won BCS Bowl games, the SEC is the only conference that has had more teams win BCS Bowl games, they have 5 teams that have won (and I might add have 12 teams in their conference).
Overall, the SEC is consistently the best conference in football....Hands down, The PAC 10 is number 2.
You keep saying the Pac 10 only has USC. USC has had a top 3 recruiting class in the country every year of the last 4, yet they finished 6th this year in the conference. How is this not sinking in???
Further, Pac 10 football is far more entertaining and imaginative than any conference. Watching the remedial offensive schemes in the SEC is like watching the Big 10. What would you rather watch, a good ol defensive SEC struggle, or Oregon/Oregon St put up 1,000 yards between them in a game.

 

[crypt keeper]

I must had been sleeping during that imaginary second championship. http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_f...ps_has_USC_won
They have 1 true BCS National Championship this decade.
Im not saying Pac 10 only has USC you are making arguments for them only. I dont think you have brought up another school what so ever. Im debating what you are saying.
USC lives are dies with its star Players. The past two years or so they have been on Defense. All those backers doing big things in the NFL. They havent had multiple weapons on Offense like they had in years past. I love USC. They are my second favorite team Behind Miami. They are an amazing team with a lot of talent. They have a Frosh QB who got hurt and struggled. He didnt have the same weapons around him as years past and that defense was sliced from the draft. It was bound too happen. Florida has at least 9 guys headed the NFL next season and isnt in the Championship game for the same exact reason no offensive weapons.
Jimmie Dean and the Car Care bowl are equals bowl games. Are you with me on that? You cant possibly argue one is better than the other. Anybody can win 7 to 8 games and head to a who cares bowl.
Now the BCS bowls are the best bowls yes I will agree. I may have stretched my the Big 12 is better. I did say the SEC is better and I will argue that till I die.
Now in BCS bowls the Pac 10 plays the Big Ten every year. Its almost not fair. Thats like the SEC playing the ACC every year. Ohio State is a joke. Yeah I know Muchigan has snuck in there as has Illinois but they faced USC and its goe sback to our original argument. Take USC from that Conference its junk.

 

[reefraff]

I think we all know what USC would have done to LSU if Oklahomely hadn't been put in the game. 5 coaches violated their contract and voted to give USC the championship that year (as well as the AP). When USC beat the same basic Oklahoma team the following year it left little doubt what they would have dome to LSU. That was one nasty team.

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by crypt keeper
http:///forum/post/3184947
I must had been sleeping during that imaginary second championship. http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_f...ps_has_USC_won
They have 1 true BCS National Championship this decade.
Im not saying Pac 10 only has USC you are making arguments for them only. I dont think you have brought up another school what so ever. Im debating what you are saying.
USC lives are dies with its star Players. The past two years or so they have been on Defense. All those backers doing big things in the NFL. They havent had multiple weapons on Offense like they had in years past. I love USC. They are my second favorite team Behind Miami. They are an amazing team with a lot of talent. They have a Frosh QB who got hurt and struggled. He didnt have the same weapons around him as years past and that defense was sliced from the draft. It was bound too happen. Florida has at least 9 guys headed the NFL next season and isnt in the Championship game for the same exact reason no offensive weapons.
Jimmie Dean and the Car Care bowl are equals bowl games. Are you with me on that? You cant possibly argue one is better than the other. Anybody can win 7 to 8 games and head to a who cares bowl.
Now the BCS bowls are the best bowls yes I will agree. I may have stretched my the Big 12 is better. I did say the SEC is better and I will argue that till I die.
Now in BCS bowls the Pac 10 plays the Big Ten every year. Its almost not fair. Thats like the SEC playing the ACC every year. Ohio State is a joke. Yeah I know Muchigan has snuck in there as has Illinois but they faced USC and its goe sback to our original argument. Take USC from that Conference its junk.
When you have your 2nd through 6 or 7th place teams matched up against the 2 to 3rd place teams from other conferences I would say it's a pretty good indication of conference strength.
BYU is 10-2 and second place in their conference plays #3 OS
Utah is 3rd 9-6 and plays #6 Cal
Boston College, well OK, SC is getting a weak team Thank God
Here's the interesting one. Temple is 2nd at 9-3 possibly agains #7 UCLA 6-6. How a 500 team gets a bowl invite is beyond me but 2 SEC teams did last year.
Nebraska which was second and a second away from beating one of the teams in the title game plays #4 Arizona
Oklahoma, blahh but still a decent challenge for Stanford
Ohio State and Oregon should be evenly matched.
You think those are gimmies? USC and Oregon State have what should be easy teams but they are also the 3rd and 5 place teams in the conference and in States case they play BYU who beat Oklahoma and only lost to TCU and Florida State. Wouldn't call that a really easy team but not a BCS conference team just the same.

 

[sandman181]

Last year OU shouldn't have been in the championship because they can't win the big game they have never won a BCS game (losing to Boise St.) Secondly USC last year got killed by the Beavers, yeah they beat Ohio St. early on but playing a team early compared to late is a completely different game, when you have a loss early on your team is still getting the feel for each other. Losing a game at the end just means you aren't playing good football after you have been playing all season together. Florida is going to kill cinci because cinci has a horrible defense, they went down to the wire against Pitt, Uconn, West Virginia and really didn't dominate Illinois. Texas and Bama are fine, but crybaby tim tearbow should be playing TCU. Boise St. should play Cinci. They only reason cinci jumped TCU is because they had one more game to play. A plus one should happen this year because there will be two undefeated teams.

 

[aquaknight]

Originally Posted by kjr_trig
http:///forum/post/3184927
Overall, the SEC is consistently the best conference in football....Hands down, The PAC 10 is number 2.
Agreed.... Though the ACC is a shell of it's former self, was a contender for #2....
Originally Posted by kjr_trig
http:///forum/post/3184927
Further, Pac 10 football is far more entertaining and imaginative than any conference. Watching the remedial offensive schemes in the SEC is like watching the Big 10. What would you rather watch, a good ol defensive SEC struggle, or Oregon/Oregon St put up 1,000 yards between them in a game.
Uuuuhhhh....
Alabama has only one game where they scored less then 20, the 12-10 win against Tenn. Florida has only 2 games scoring less then 20, a win against LSU, and the loss to Bama. USC has 4 games scoring under 20 this season, 2 wins and 2 loses....

 

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[ironeagle2006]

Everyone is screaming the BCS is joke and I agree. Here is my idea to fix it. Take ONLY THE WINNERS of the top 8 Bowl Games and have a 3 week play off. Match 1-8 2-7 3-6 4-5 Second round one week later would be the winners of the 1/8 4/5 games and the 2/7 3/6 playing each other. Then the last week would be the Final game of the YEAR WINNER TAKE ALL. Win your the Best of the Best Lose YOUR THE FIRST LOSER. Think of it as a fast NCAA Football tournement limited to those teams that won their way in. Except you will never get the Large schools to go for it since they are afarid of a team like Boise State or TCU coming in and KILLING THEM.

 

[kjr_trig]

Originally Posted by crypt keeper
http:///forum/post/3184947
I must had been sleeping during that imaginary second championship. http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_f...ps_has_USC_won
They have 1 true BCS National Championship this decade.
Jimmie Dean and the Car Care bowl are equals bowl games. Are you with me on that? You cant possibly argue one is better than the other. Anybody can win 7 to 8 games and head to a who cares bowl.
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RR already covered the first part, USC won the AP in 03, and like he said several coaches voted USC #1, the only year any coach has gone against the contract with the BCS. Then they won both in 04.
What do you think they do, draw names out of a hat to decide who plays who in a Bowl game. Of course some are better than others. The little guys usually play the little guys

. Did you really not know that?

 

[kjr_trig]

Originally Posted by AquaKnight
http:///forum/post/3185003
Uuuuhhhh....
Alabama has only one game where they scored less then 20, the 12-10 win against Tenn. Florida has only 2 games scoring less then 20, a win against LSU, and the loss to Bama. USC has 4 games scoring under 20 this season, 2 wins and 2 loses....
I have lived all over the country, including about 8 total years in SEC country (Florida for a while, then S. Carolina), and you can trust me on this, PAC 10 football is far more entertaining than any other conference. The SEC puts tons of O and D lineman in the NFL, the Pac puts QB's in there (along with RB's and WR's), it's just more fun to watch great skill players than great lineman and defense. You can't even name a great QB from the SEC who's name isn't Manning. My Washington Huskies have not been great of late, but if you start the season as the starting QB at UW any of the last 30 years, you make it to the NFL, no exceptions....Want me to name them all?

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by kjr_trig
http:///forum/post/3185075
I have lived all over the country, including about 8 total years in SEC country (Florida for a while, then S. Carolina), and you can trust me on this, PAC 10 football is far more entertaining than any other conference. The SEC puts tons of O and D lineman in the NFL, the Pac puts QB's in there (along with RB's and WR's), it's just more fun to watch great skill players than great lineman and defense. You can't even name a great QB from the SEC who's name isn't Manning. My Washington Huskies have not been great of late, but if you start the season as the starting QB at UW any of the last 30 years, you make it to the NFL, no exceptions....Want me to name them all?

Well maybe way back when the SEC was boring but they don't have the emphasis on D they used to. Check out some of the scores they have put over the last several years.

 

[bionicarm]

Our tax dollars at work. Even as much as a "lefty" that I am, I think this is just a waste of valuable time by these Congressmen who apparently have nothing better to do, like - FIX THE ECONOMY, HELP LOWER THE UNEMPLOYMENT RATE, AND COME TO A CONCLUSION ON THIS STUPID HEALTHCARE REFORM!!!
http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/story/1...otball-playoff

 

[darthtang aw]

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3185798
Our tax dollars at work. Even as much as a "lefty" that I am, I think this is just a waste of valuable time by these Congressmen who apparently have nothing better to do, like - FIX THE ECONOMY, HELP LOWER THE UNEMPLOYMENT RATE, AND COME TO A CONCLUSION ON THIS STUPID HEALTHCARE REFORM!!!
http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/story/1...otball-playoff
Because the NCAA national champion is a pressing issue for congressional and government bodies....it affects them in so many ways....

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/3185818
Because the NCAA national champion is a pressing issue for congressional and government bodies....it affects them in so many ways....

I think this is a vital national security interest for the united states than needs our immediate attention. As much as I think the BCS is just BC I'd rather see them mess up football than the country. Let them waste their time on this/

 

[aquaknight]

Originally Posted by kjr_trig
http:///forum/post/3185075
I have lived all over the country, including about 8 total years in SEC country (Florida for a while, then S. Carolina), and you can trust me on this, PAC 10 football is far more entertaining than any other conference. The SEC puts tons of O and D lineman in the NFL, the Pac puts QB's in there (along with RB's and WR's), it's just more fun to watch great skill players than great lineman and defense. You can't even name a great QB from the SEC who's name isn't Manning. My Washington Huskies have not been great of late, but if you start the season as the starting QB at UW any of the last 30 years, you make it to the NFL, no exceptions....Want me to name them all?

Well, let's get this out of the way first, for offensive collegiate football players to get into the NFL (one could make the defensive argument as well), and not only that, but be primetime players, one school honestly stands alone.... And they ain't in either the SEC or PAC-10;

 

[crypt keeper]

the U has more STAR players in the nfl than the rest of the D1 schools. Just start naming them. That espn short film stuff Saturday night they are showing the U. A movie on they changed college football.
USC has more Defensive studs than Offense in the NFL.

 

[kjr_trig]

Originally Posted by AquaKnight
http:///forum/post/3186339
Well, let's get this out of the way first, for offensive collegiate football players to get into the NFL (one could make the defensive argument as well), and not only that, but be primetime players, one school honestly stands alone.... And they ain't in either the SEC or PAC-10;

I live in the now, you should join me here. USC is now the team that gets the most players to the NFL.
Nobody has put more QB's in the NFL than my UW Husky's. Only school ever to have 5 former QB's start in one week in the NFL.

Number 1 rated QB this year by most of the draft guru's is none other than Jake Locker, though I hope he comes back for his Senior year.