Concealed Carry

[deltablack22]

Originally Posted by thirty5
First have to ask what state you are in? I am in NJ and unless you are in some sort of lawenforcement you will almost NEVER get a carry permit.
I personally have the Sig P239 in a 40 cal. There is no reason for a 45 cal. Way too much gun, and in a compact the kick is big.
I personally feel then wen buying an auto there is no comparison to a Sig. Top of the line IMO.
Just remember the smaller the gun the harder it is too shoot. I have a 5 shot S&W airlite, bullets weigh almost as much as the gun does, but wow what a powerful recoil, but then again shootin 38 cal +p's.
Don't take this the wrong way. But I am totally against carry permits, ESPECIALLY CONCEALED. Bad enough people can drive deadly weapons, for people to be able to carry one concealed is troublesome for me. Just cause you can shoot a gun does not mean you should be able to carry one. I personally go through a lot of training on how to handle a weapon and when to use and when not to use. It is a huge responsibility to carry a gun. God forbid you get into the situation where you "might" have to use it, and you decide to and you really should not have. Then what happens, huge lawsuit, possibly lose your house and everthing that you have. Even if you are right in shooting and then you miss and hit an innocent then wow....

I'm in North Carolina... I think its sad that you are against responsible upstanding citizens carrying weapons. It would be a great deterrant for crimes if more people carried. I personally go through a lot of training on different weapons systems as well. If I can trust 18 year old kids fresh out of high school to shoot heavy machine guns I think you should be able to trust me with a pea shooter that could prevent a robbery/----/carjacking who knows what.
I'm editing this post here.......... I re-read your post and you mentioned how huge the responsibility was to carry a firearm. Again I want to touch on the fact that there are thousands of military personell faced with those exact same decisions that you (I assume you are law enforcement) make on a day to day basis. People get burned in wartime theaters for the same things that can ruin your carrear as law enforcement officer back in the states.

 

[shogun323]

Originally Posted by TangMan99
Hi Deltablack,
I apologize if I took (or continued) your thread in the wrong direction. In answer to your question, Sigs are awesome when it comes to automatics. I personally loved the Glocks but was never fond of the dove-tail safety.
One other consideration you may want to think about if you are looking for something for your wife is if an automatic is the best choice? I don't know her experience with weapons, but if she is not an avid firearms person and used to shooting all types of weapons, an automatic add degrees of complication. A revolver has some great advantages. The cylinder makes it wider so carrying it in the waist is not preferred but I don't think your wife would carry it that way.
A revolver is almost 100% reliable for firing (they don't jam), you don't have to pull a slide which can be difficult and no mechanical safeties to worry about. They are truely the point and shoot solution mechanically. Hitting the target is another thing though.
Good Luck and again sorry for not answering your question. My other comments were not directed specifically at you.
That's some solid advise.

 

[clown boy]

Did you hear about that one town that has a law saying that all men must carry concealed weapons? There has been NO crime (absolutely NONE) since they passed that law. I am totally against gun control.
Nice looking pistol. I've been looking into that myself. Then I'll be a real Texan. hehe
What caliber is the little sucker?

 

[deltablack22]

Originally Posted by Mimzy
DeltaBlack, my DH and I have also been searching for the perfect cc pieces - he is really in love w/ various things such as the 1911 - but he's torn atm between that and a revolver.
As for me, I have tiny hands, and the mag-releases on almost EVERY handgun is a huge reach for me and I'd need both hands to change mags. Not to mention the fact that most guns make it nearly impossible for people w/out man-hands to open the slide release. I've found the best gun for me as far as ergonomics goes is the LadySmith. It's a little pricey, but you can find plenty of them used, it fits my hands perfectly, and is tactically the best choice for me - and trust me, I've looked.
You might want to consider getting a piece for you and another piece for your wife - after all, men and women are not made the same, I don't think their means of self-defense should be either

Thanks for your input Mimsy. Wow this thread blew up... I will get another "home defense" handgun for the house when I am around, more than likely a full size 45. The reason I am thinking about the subcompact is there is possibility when I get out of the Marine Corps that I will be taking a job that will involve me moving large ammounts of cash. Also while I am deployed I wanted a smaller caliber that is more manageable for my wife in the 9mm. The XD has a 16 round extended mag that provides a grip the size of the larger compact model and I would use this mag while it was in the house. If you havent already put your hands on this gun you should take it for a spin at the range mimsy. My wife likes the feel of it - you might too...

 

[deltablack22]

Originally Posted by Clown Boy
Did you hear about that one town that has a law saying that all men must carry concealed weapons? There has been NO crime (absolutely NONE) since they passed that law. I am totally against gun control.
Nice looking pistol. I've been looking into that myself. Then I'll be a real Texan. hehe
What caliber is the little sucker?
Its an XD-9 subcompact. Its also made in .40 (XD-40). You might be referring to Kennesaw, GA? I lived there about 5 years ago and they had a similar law that had been around forever. One of those things that isnt enforced, but cool nonethaless...

 

[clown boy]

Are you really into guns, or is this your only one?

 

[shogun323]

Originally Posted by DeltaBlack22
Thanks for your input Mimsy. Wow this thread blew up... I will get another "home defense" handgun for the house when I am around, more than likely a full size 45. The reason I am thinking about the subcompact is there is possibility when I get out of the Marine Corps that I will be taking a job that will involve me moving large ammounts of cash. Also while I am deployed I wanted a smaller caliber that is more manageable for my wife in the 9mm. The XD has a 16 round extended mag that provides a grip the size of the larger compact model and I would use this mag while it was in the house. If you havent already put your hands on this gun you should take it for a spin at the range mimsy. My wife likes the feel of it - you might too...

I love the extended clip. I really think XD's are currently the best semi out there.

 

[deltablack22]

Originally Posted by thirty5
And if you think that carrying a gun will really defend you then your head is in the clouds. If a crime is going to be committed against you then you most likely will not be able to get your weapon out before you are attacked. And if you think that you can just shoot someone cause they stold your purse you are MISTAKEN. The rule of thumb is that "You need to see deadly force to use deadly force". Or you have to be able to explain to a normal person that you felt that your life was in jepoardy.

You are preaching to the choir about escalation of force. The scenarios that you are using are based on someone that is unfamiliar with weapons and has probably never had any formal training with them.

 

[reefraff]

You anti-gunners don't seem to understand the simplistic beauty of concealed carry laws. The crooks have no clue who has a gun. That is why concealed carry is so much better than open carry laws. Just the knowledge that there is a chance of an armed confrontation is enough to discourage some from taking that particular route.
While I don't carry a gun on my person I do carry one in my vehicle. If someone robbed me with a gun I would think nothing of executing them as they ran away if I had a safe and clear shot. Just need to have the right story for the cops and a clean record. You put my life in danger by pointing a gun at me you forfit your right to breath air.

 

[deltablack22]

Originally Posted by Mimzy
ohmigawd, you guys - he asked for information about good handguns, not dissertations on why he should or should not carry them.

You are exactly right Mimzy, but its ok. Even though I think you are the only one that talked on the subject that was brought up, everyone is going to give their opinions. People are making some good points on both sides of the argument.

 

[deltablack22]

Originally Posted by shogun323
To answer your original question Delta the XD-9 is a fantastic conceal carry gun. I have the subcompact XD-9 in the 2 tone. It's my favorite. It is amazing to shoot and the XD line have very little recoil. Even the 45.
I usually carry my Kahr PM40. It carries 6 in the clip (with the extended mag) and 1 in the chamber. It is a bit smaller than the XD and kicks like a mule. I havent shot the PM9 but it is the same size as the PM40 but shoots a 9mm bullet.
I also have the Keltec 380 which I call the noisy cricket. It is like trying to hold onto a fireball when you shoot it so accuracy is out the window.
The XD9 sub is a great choice though!!
Thanks for the good input!

 

[tangman99]

Originally Posted by reefraff
You anti-gunners don't seem to understand the simplistic beauty of concealed carry laws. The crooks have no clue who has a gun. That is why concealed carry is so much better than open carry laws. Just the knowledge that there is a chance of an armed confrontation is enough to discourage some from taking that particular route.
While I don't carry a gun on my person I do carry one in my vehicle. If someone robbed me with a gun I would think nothing of executing them as they ran away if I had a safe and clear shot. Just need to have the right story for the cops and a clean record. You put my life in danger by pointing a gun at me you forfit your right to breath air.
I do the same thing. When I travel out of town, I carry my piece in the car and there is always one within easy proximaty in my home (safely stored of course as I have a little one). And like you if someone breaks in my house, there will be no side of the story coming from them. But explaining holes in the back may not be that easy. What you need to do is yell out that he forgot to take your rolex and when he turns around, put one right center mass!

 

[deltablack22]

Originally Posted by TangMan99
Hi Deltablack,
One other consideration you may want to think about if you are looking for something for your wife is if an automatic is the best choice? I don't know her experience with weapons, but if she is not an avid firearms person and used to shooting all types of weapons, an automatic add degrees of complication. A revolver has some great advantages. The cylinder makes it wider so carrying it in the waist is not preferred but I don't think your wife would carry it that way.
This is a fantanstic point that I have thought about. I was also considering getting her a S&W .38 J frame but figure with my help the semiauto shouldnt be a fantastic jump. I'm pretty well versed in firearms and dont see training her to feel comfortable on a semiauto that big of a jump. Its all about muscle memory... I figure I'll take her out on my grandfathers land and make it a day of gun drills...

 

[deltablack22]

Originally Posted by reefraff
You anti-gunners don't seem to understand the simplistic beauty of concealed carry laws. The crooks have no clue who has a gun. That is why concealed carry is so much better than open carry laws. Just the knowledge that there is a chance of an armed confrontation is enough to discourage some from taking that particular route.
While I don't carry a gun on my person I do carry one in my vehicle. If someone robbed me with a gun I would think nothing of executing them as they ran away if I had a safe and clear shot. Just need to have the right story for the cops and a clean record. You put my life in danger by pointing a gun at me you forfit your right to breath air.

Probably not the best advice for the kids, but I do agree that if someone puts you in that situation, they should get whats comin to em...

 

[tangman99]

Originally Posted by DeltaBlack22
This is a fantanstic point that I have thought about. I was also considering getting her a S&W .38 J frame but figure with my help the semiauto shouldnt be a fantastic jump. I'm pretty well versed in firearms and dont see training her to feel comfortable on a semiauto that big of a jump. Its all about muscle memory... I figure I'll take her out on my grandfathers land and make it a day of gun drills...

Yeah, now that I know considerably more about your background, I would agree with you. And you said the key word, "Train". You know, you could smuggle one of those 60's out one piece at a time. I might even think about smugging out a 50 but that would probably be overkill.

 

[shogun323]

My philosophy is better have one and not need it, than to need one and not have it.

 

[clown boy]

Same here.

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by DeltaBlack22

Probably not the best advice for the kids, but I do agree that if someone puts you in that situation, they should get whats comin to em...
If someone breaks into your house you use 2 shots. First one in the center of the chest and the second into the wall just above a window or door. The header will stop the bullet and you get to tell the cops "I fired a warning shot".

 

[deltablack22]

Originally Posted by TangMan99
Yeah, now that I know considerably more about your background, I would agree with you. And you said the key word, "Train". You know, you could smuggle one of those 60's out one piece at a time. I might even think about smugging out a 50 but that would probably be overkill.

Too bad coming back from OIF now is like going through an airport in Israel with a turbin on your head. I dont even want to know how bad they would burn you if you got caught mailing pieces of a weapon back through the mail....

 

[deltablack22]

Originally Posted by reefraff
If someone breaks into your house you use 2 shots. First one in the center of the chest and the second into the wall just above a window or door. The header will stop the bullet and you get to tell the cops "I fired a warning shot".

I love it...