Concealed Carry

[seasalt101]

my sisters 1st husband who was a cop previous to this incident, happened in california around 1989 or so heard a noise outside his house he got his gun went outside to investigate, he went to the front of the house where a group i do not remember how many, were trying to steal his toyota 4runner he shot one of them (he did not kill him) and just told the officers responding that he came at him with a screwdriver (i do not know if this statement from him is true or not) but there was not much of an investgation this could or could not be because of him being a former cop, at the time he was a teacher at a women's prison though...tobin

 

[huskychasrs]

The ultimate in home and small city protection

 

[seasalt101]

Originally Posted by huskychasrs
The ultimate in home and small city protection

but a bit tough to conceal...tobin

 

[smartorl]

Originally Posted by nietzsche
you know not all women HAVE to carry guns. theres mace, those tazer gun things, they even stuff that that make a super loud noise that stops the attaker i even think they have some with built in needles that takes the person's blood. therse just a lot of things out there.
i live in an area where there are people who cross drugs across the border and also a lot of people who jack people and take their cars back across the border to sell them back to the people in the mexican government (some parts are really bad compared to others). youd be plain out STUPID to even think of shooting one of these guys from a gang called los zetas or any other for that matter. they WILL find you and kill you in your own house or anywhere. my friend's uncle was attacked by one of these guys who wanted to take his truck, the guy came out and flat out said, "i like your truck. im going to be taking it," the uncle said, "that's my truck and no one is going to be taking it from me." well they fought and the uncle got him in the fight, but later that day they broke into his house and beat the crap out of him, all of them had guns by the way.
i think for the most part the people who are being killed are those are directly involved in something (yes, even the police are involved in crossing drugs, buying drugs, and serving as security for these guys). i think you can and should give up something stupid as a personal belonging instead of trying to be brave about it and die just someone took your wallet.
i remember when i was visiting my gf in her town, i left at night and i saw a cop at the house of a drug dealer, well, the cop chased me down and started flashing his spot beam at me and then just took off, unfortunately her town is worse than others, even the texas state trooper is involved.
and for the most of you, who all of a sudden says you have the right to be the law? just because you have a license to carry a gun and shoot? i think many people need to wake up and just grow up and live your life. why am i going to buy a gun just because theres a lot of crime here? i'm not asking for trouble or looking for it, and if it happens it happens and i'm going to deal with it. yeah, someone broke into our truck at the grocery store, luckily we had nothing they could take, but am i going to all of a sudden buy a gun just because i feel threatened?

Have you even handled any type of firearm? Do you have any children? How would you feel if your wife or future wife and daughter were raped while you watched? It happens every day and if someone chooses to carry a fire arm to protect themselves or to at least feel "safe" who are you to tell them otherwise?
This is one of those topics that people often feel strongly one way or another, everyone is grouped as for or against but truly most people are somewhere in the middle and shy away from both extremes.
Guns are not for everyone. I think there should be more regulation on who gets to carry guns of any type but I do think people have the right to own them.
If you are really anti-gun, why not focus your energies on those that are not supposed to have them instead of those that are getting them legally.

 

[nietzsche]

Uh, I never said anything about hating guns. Growing up my father used to take me on a ranch to shoot rifles. I have one now, nothing fancy at all, its just a .22. I'm not an expert on guns, but who has to in order to tell you that everyone having a gun is a good thing or not? You think there arent people who might flip one day and shoot people up? Look, seriously, if you lived in an area where crime was that bad that you feared your family was going to die everyday or raped, then why would you live there? OK, then YOU carry a gun. Everyone has a different reaction when theyre in a situation, some might kill another by accident. What's your problem anyways? Do you live somewhere that people break into your house and take all your stuff or threaten you?
People always think theyre ready for a car accident, when it happens they most likely wont remember anything they learned. If cops make mistakes, what makes you think someone with a license and a gun wont? It's different for every individual out there.
And on another note, there are people who people violence will never be the answer no matter how extreme the situation youll be in. For example a professor of mine interviewed a priest. he asked the priest, "what would you do if i broke into your house and held your family hostage and had a gun pointed to their heads and told you if you didnt kill me i would kill your wife infront of you?" He said, "i wouldnt kill you." "OK, BAM, shot your wife. Now i have your kid infront of you, your only kid and hes crying and asking you to kill me, and i even gave you a gun to stop me from killing him. Youll HAVE TO kill me right? I mean, i just killed your wife." "No, i still wouldnt kill you." "OK, bam! just killed your kid. Now i'm going to kill you, you have a chance, will you?" and the priest explains that he strongly believes against violence and believes that he knows his family died and went to heaven with God where he will soon join them. my weird ethics professor was just kind of like oh wow.

 

[thirty5]

Originally Posted by seasalt101
me personally easy i've been fightin cancer 3 years i'm down to 153lbs (i'm 6'2) and i've already talked to the local law enforcement here i have tubes in me and i look like a healthy auswitsz prisoner right now which isn't a healthy sight and hopefully just temporarily pretty feeble (i can walk about 200ft without stopping to rest) now this is only my situation i realize but there are 3 young children here that i will protect with whatever force needed, and in my situation it is shoot and ask questions later and i am also ex-military and i was an avid gun collector at one time who did go to the range with all my weapons regularly and i also used to hunt every season, does this make me an expert no, but it does make me comfortable with what i am aiming at i will hit...tobin

Tobin,
First i am very sorry to hear about your health.
And yes your training and experience is definatly a plus for you if you want to CC. I am not saying that people should not be allowed. I just wish that there were more requirements other than, not being a NUTJOB, or being convicted of a crime. The course that you have to take is bull, and the actual shooting qualifications are ridculous.
BUt for you , sure with your credentials would make you a great candidate to have a CC permit, as long as the law in that state allowed it!

 

[seasalt101]

Originally Posted by thirty5
Tobin,
First i am very sorry to hear about your health.
And yes your training and experience is definatly a plus for you if you want to CC. I am not saying that people should not be allowed. I just wish that there were more requirements other than, not being a NUTJOB, or being convicted of a crime. The course that you have to take is bull, and the actual shooting qualifications are ridculous.
BUt for you , sure with your credentials would make you a great candidate to have a CC permit, as long as the law in that state allowed it!
it's ok about my health i'm fighting it everyday it is routine for me, but thank you, in texas our gun laws are pretty light except the standard felon etc. and i agree about the cc course it's pretty lame i believe the course should be more towards real lfe scenarios and a person i believe before aquireing any weapon should be mentally evaluated and to add to that reevaluated every 5 years or so and anytime a weapon is fired (in a crimetype scenario)you need to use your head and think clearly before firing as stated earlier the bullet does not stop if you miss but until the littlest one is old enough i want to put all my kiids through a gun safety class and teach them properly what and what not a gun is for, my old gun dealer in california was teaching a gun safety class did that for 30 years then one day in 98 he blew his finger off in class just lost where he was in the forum and 1 lackadasial second it could have been over for him or one of his students, the key thing is safety and always think the weapon is loaded, that was for the kids, i use a p-90 ruger i wish i still had my dan wesson .44 special beautiful revolver...tobin

 

[clown boy]

Come on, Tobin.

https://forums.saltwaterfish.com/t/283219/gun-thread

 

[reefraff]

I don't understand the attitude of don't fight back against the gangs because they will come after you. I guess that is why the gang problem is so bad.

 

[seasalt101]

Originally Posted by Clown Boy
Come on, Tobin.

https://forums.saltwaterfish.com/t/283219/gun-thread
ok at one time i owned 3 ruger p-90's, 1 dan wesson .44 special, 1 ruger blackhawk .44 mag (yeah the 13 in barrel) 1 s&w .38 1 glock .40 1 llama .45 1 savage 300 (holy moly that was a kicker) 1 remington 30.06 ( favorite hunting rifle) and several .22's i am partial to the .45's for home defense, and for cc the glock jmo...tobin

 

[nietzsche]

Originally Posted by reefraff
I don't understand the attitude of don't fight back against the gangs because they will come after you. I guess that is why the gang problem is so bad.
you actually think one person or a handful can take out a gang of 100s? once you get involved youll regret it. you think if you pulled a gun on one of them that the rest of them wont come after you? they have nothing better to do
i see a lot of people that will happily fight back but never stop and say "wait, that was just a 90 dollar watch.. man who cares, i'm ALIVE.

[hr]
the watch i'm still here."
the whole point is that most of the time having a gun isnt necessary, and in many cases having a gun could put your life and others around you in danger. and then once everyone has a gun and license to carry it, what if something happens and they become outraged and go on a killing spree? look at the astronuat lady who went nuts when she found out her husband was cheaing on her, would you want a gun in her hand? granted that if you live in a seriously bad location where something will happen to you, then MAYBE carry something, but once someone knows you carry something then theyre going to come back with something too. why provoke things?
like tobin says, i think there should be some more thought into gun laws

 

[seasalt101]

1 of the things i strongly believeis that manufactures of guns shoot a clip or cylynder at the factory (therefore no such thing as a brand new gun) and send the rounds with the serial number to the fbi and then each weapon sold has the identifying ballistics report on file i think that would start eliminating a lot of gun crimes knowing the gun just purchased has the ballistic report on file with the feds already just an idea though and it would create several jobs too...tobin

 

[veni vidi vici]

Law my eye.
Here is a situation for you.Homeowner wakes up in the middle of the night to find a stranger in his home.The intruder is in the hallway right infront of the homeowners childs bedroom.The homeowner raises his firearm fires 2 rounds and kills the intruder .Homeowner is charged with Homicide or any crime for that matter.
Show me a jury that will convict.I think most ordinary red blooded american citizen wouldnt take long to diliberate and come back with a not guilty verdict.IMO any other verdict would be an injustice.

 

[reefforbrains]

Believe me I have gotten VERY angry at people while carrying a gun. Furthest thing from my mind is to hurt them. I am just pissed.
Shouting matches arent really my thing but I wouldnt hurt someone just becuase they pissed me off.
The thought that just because someone carries a weapon will make them going on a killing spree if htey ever get really angry is rediculous.
Tougher screening perhaps, More detailed registration practices....perhaps. But to say that carrying a firearm will increase shootings is not accurate in my opinion
To me it would be the same statement saying- The only reason I DIDN'T kill the convenience store clerk that wouldnt get off his cell phone to ring me up.......was that I didnt have my gun on me at the time.....
As for criminal remifications- if you hurt someone in your own home in the middle of the night or even out in the street in front of a local preeschool during an attack there WILL be an investigation.
NO one can just shoot someone without A TON of paperwork. Civil lawsuits can drag on for years but it is discretionary for your local DA to review and look at situation and if criminal charges will be brought.
The way it often gets described is someone overreacting and using deadly force without provication. Somone walks into your home, you CANNOT kill them unless you have a legitimate fear for your saftey.
if it is 3am and there is a stranger in your home, just be honest....fire away. But if they leave or are on the run, then the threat is OVER. You cannot go chasing them out to the lawn....that is murder. Pretty simple.

 

[clown boy]

Originally Posted by seasalt101
ok at one time i owned 3 ruger p-90's, 1 dan wesson .44 special, 1 ruger blackhawk .44 mag (yeah the 13 in barrel) 1 s&w .38 1 glock .40 1 llama .45 1 savage 300 (holy moly that was a kicker) 1 remington 30.06 ( favorite hunting rifle) and several .22's i am partial to the .45's for home defense, and for cc the glock jmo...tobin

Post 'em in the gun thread!

 

[nietzsche]

if you want to protect your house LEAVE IT AT YOUR HOUSE.
im saying is for those who want to be heroes and go around waiting for something to happen, why? leave it to the police, do what you can, but know that you are not the law. Ive been in situations where ive woken up at 3am and found out some people crashed. Like one night i woke up because the power went out, heard some people screaming in the woods. Did i know what it was? no. For all i know maybe someone was killing someone or maybe it was an ambush, I put in my shoes and ran over there, turns out people flipped a car and crashed into the trees. I just think people worry about nothing.
Really, why do you want to carry a gun around with you? how many times are you going to be involved in a situation where your life is at danger, and i dont mean being mugged because carrying a gun because youre afraid of getting mugged is flat out retarded. are you seriously going to be taking a stroll through a neighborhood full of nothing but murderers?
every person is different, when you have more people carrying a gun and a 50/50 chance of someone being a nutjob everyday, then whats going to happen?

 

[nietzsche]

most of you should know what is right and wrong, i hope, and know what to do. but a lot of people dont know whats right or wrong, and thats really scary

 

[reefforbrains]

Now we are both passionate on our position but I feel you are trivializing the standpoint of being weary by trying to prepare yourself. Sounds like you are boiling it down to some weapon fedish. Like we are hiding behind the protection/readiness excuse just so we can carry our firearms.
They are heavy, and uncomforatable if not used to them. They require maint that is a pain. Routine practice and strong gun saftey to even be worth carrying.
I am not trying to make is sound dramatic but it is a big responsibility to have a CCW. Most either grow accustomed to the burden, or change the situation that made them want one in the first place.
Not toys, yet I would disagree completley that is would be considered retarded to have one on your person for for sake of wanting to be preparred if anything were to ever happen....even in a place where there is no crime or immediate threat visible.
We can disagree and no harm, but to say such a statement as above is reckless in my opinion.

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by nietzsche
you actually think one person or a handful can take out a gang of 100s? once you get involved youll regret it. you think if you pulled a gun on one of them that the rest of them wont come after you? they have nothing better to do
i see a lot of people that will happily fight back but never stop and say "wait, that was just a 90 dollar watch.. man who cares, i'm ALIVE.

[hr]
the watch i'm still here."
the whole point is that most of the time having a gun isnt necessary, and in many cases having a gun could put your life and others around you in danger. and then once everyone has a gun and license to carry it, what if something happens and they become outraged and go on a killing spree? look at the astronuat lady who went nuts when she found out her husband was cheaing on her, would you want a gun in her hand? granted that if you live in a seriously bad location where something will happen to you, then MAYBE carry something, but once someone knows you carry something then theyre going to come back with something too. why provoke things?
like tobin says, i think there should be some more thought into gun laws
Having grown up in Southern California I am somewhat familiar with gangs. The majority of gang members are punks or they wouldn't need be in a gang to begin with. Yeas, a handfull of people can and have made a difference. Many times!
Wearing a seatbelt is never necessary, until you need it. Same thing with carrying a gun. Yes, you have to know when to use it but I have yet to see any report of outbreaks of vigilatism or accidental shootings in states that have passed liberal CC laws.
Maybe what we really need is a new law to limit what people can say so they don't P-O someone with a gun to the point they fly into a rage and start shooting. Oh, yeah, the pesky little thing called the first amendment. Well, don't forget there is the second too.

 

[huskychasrs]

Originally Posted by nietzsche
most of you should know what is right and wrong, i hope, and know what to do. but a lot of people dont know whats right or wrong, and thats really scary
Tons of life experience or what?
EX military or law enforcement?