Concealed Carry

[nietzsche]

Originally Posted by reefraff
You seem to have swallowed the anti-gun propaganda hook, line and sinker.
If someone wanted to look tough by carrying a gun they would wear it on their hip, WHERE IT CAN BE SEEN.
I guess the difference between people like you and people like me is I respect your decision not to own a gun. I don't neccessarily think that makes you a coward or a wimp but you obviously think anyone who carrys a gun is somekind of nutjob or maniac. Fact is the statistics prove that the vast majority of gunowners are well reasoned and responsible people who use their weapons about a million and a half times a year to defend themselves.
i respect your views too. im not going to go and throw paint on your house because i hate that you have a gun. everyone is entitled to their own views and opinions, im not forcing anyone to throw away their gun, so sorry if all of you think that.
again, im not telling any of you that you are indeed the nutjob, when did i say that? i said people COULD snap, everyone is different and everyone has their own problems.
if you keep misinterperting what i say, then sorry, thats your fault. we are simply in a good old fashion discussion/debate where were expressing our point of views, if you seriously think im actually going to go around taking guns away from people then youre pretty weird.
you have your own views on things and thats good, those are YOUR views and you shouldnt be making someone believe them. i have my own views and i have my own ethics, values, philosophies, etc. i dont believe in god but do you see me crying about it and telling people to stop believing in god?

 

[thirty5]

Originally Posted by DeltaBlack22
I think if you were paying attention you would've noticed that most of these gun toting fanatics your refering to as "wanna be heros" are either present or former military or law enforcement personell.
Delta,
That is because we know how much training is really necessary to understand the power of carrying a weapon. We chose to live a life carrying a weapon. Most people how just want to carry cause they THINK that they will really be able to protect themselves and their family, dont get the proper training necessary to "really" be able to use the weapon correctly.

 

[michaeltx]

Originally Posted by thirty5
Delta,
That is because we know how much training is really necessary to understand the power of carrying a weapon. We chose to live a life carrying a weapon. Most people how just want to carry cause they THINK that they will really be able to protect themselves and their family, dont get the proper training necessary to "really" be able to use the weapon correctly.
that I do have to agree with in some respect. I went into the army hitting 11 out of 40 when I was done with training everyday for 3 months I was hitting 40 out of 40 everytime I walked out on range. we had a indoor range that was setup and some of my shots were so far off I was hitting atleast 10-15 feet from the target it was a real eye opener. The good thing I can still do it today but I think the classes need to be longer and not held at the local resteraunt that I see the classes being done at today!!
Mike

 

[thirty5]

I cant find it now, but whoever posted in about the law in TN. I personally think that it is the stupidest thing that they could have passed. If people want to carry for their own protection or of their FAMILY i can understand that. But allowing that law will only create the SUPERMAN who wanted to be a cop but could not get hired for one reason or not, but is still able to get a CC permit.
Protect yourself and family YES. Once again beating a dead horse, if you are properly trained. But to start shooting at people if you see a crime being committed on others, that is a little TOOOO left wing for me. That is where you will have accidental shootings where someone shoots when they are ALLOWED, but dont see the old lady looking out the window and a stray hits her and kills her.
I wish i could get a group of people who have CC permits who feel they can handle a weapon.... Get what we call simunitions. which is when you convert a real weapon so it shoots tiny paint balls. Give this to the CC holder and put them in a simulated situation and really see what happens.
I know that when I am on duty my habit when i am dealing with something is to have my hand on my weapon which i am ALLOWED to do. Cause that split second to get it out if i need it matters. Remember that if someone is ready to mug, rob, commit sexualassault (i used the more common word but the site took it out) and have a weapon, they are doing so with the thought that they mght use a weapon meaning they are ready. People will with the CC will get caught by surprise and i would have to bet on that they would freeze in the situation, unless they are so well trained that by instinct and MUSCLE MEMORY are able to get the weapon out and use it.
Muscle memory is a huge part. So if you want to CC then you should practice, practice, practice. I know that many times that it was necessary that i had to draw my gun, i didnt have to think about it. All of a sudden there it was in front of my face and i was looking downt he sights and the target was dead on. THat is what happens when you practice.
So people who want to carry do so responsibly and practice. And with that, you should carry the weapon the same way all the time, this will def help with your muscle memory so you dont have to waste that second to remember where it is.
JUST BE SAFE that is what it comes down to.

 

[florida joe]

Watler PPKS 380 granted not a lot of stopping power but a nice small frame carry pistol also my new must have carry is a new pistol Walter/SW came out with its the thinnest 9MM you can get got great reviews from shooter mag goes for about $600 message me if you want the specs

 

[thirty5]

I had 380, i got rid of it. We joke at work saying that our leather jakets will stop the bullet. I would say that now minimaly i would recommend a .40 cal. There are tons of models out there. If you want a revolver then the .38 special +p is a nice powerful weapon, that is what i carry as my backup and also offduty. S&W airweight.

 

[nietzsche]

Originally Posted by thirty5
I cant find it now, but whoever posted in about the law in TN. I personally think that it is the stupidest thing that they could have passed. If people want to carry for their own protection or of their FAMILY i can understand that. But allowing that law will only create the SUPERMAN who wanted to be a cop but could not get hired for one reason or not, but is still able to get a CC permit.
Protect yourself and family YES. Once again beating a dead horse, if you are properly trained. But to start shooting at people if you see a crime being committed on others, that is a little TOOOO left wing for me. That is where you will have accidental shootings where someone shoots when they are ALLOWED, but dont see the old lady looking out the window and a stray hits her and kills her.
I wish i could get a group of people who have CC permits who feel they can handle a weapon.... Get what we call simunitions. which is when you convert a real weapon so it shoots tiny paint balls. Give this to the CC holder and put them in a simulated situation and really see what happens.
I know that when I am on duty my habit when i am dealing with something is to have my hand on my weapon which i am ALLOWED to do. Cause that split second to get it out if i need it matters. Remember that if someone is ready to mug, rob, commit sexualassault (i used the more common word but the site took it out) and have a weapon, they are doing so with the thought that they mght use a weapon meaning they are ready. People will with the CC will get caught by surprise and i would have to bet on that they would freeze in the situation, unless they are so well trained that by instinct and MUSCLE MEMORY are able to get the weapon out and use it.
Muscle memory is a huge part. So if you want to CC then you should practice, practice, practice. I know that many times that it was necessary that i had to draw my gun, i didnt have to think about it. All of a sudden there it was in front of my face and i was looking downt he sights and the target was dead on. THat is what happens when you practice.
So people who want to carry do so responsibly and practice. And with that, you should carry the weapon the same way all the time, this will def help with your muscle memory so you dont have to waste that second to remember where it is.
JUST BE SAFE that is what it comes down to.
pretty much what i had in mind, thank you. also if you read MichaelTX's post youll see you that you should be training a lot. you should also be trained in various situations where you may or may not be able to pull a gun and that from what i hear these classes to get a permit arent that great. for those of you who are responspible and know exactly when to pull a gun and reacty instantly no matter what the surprise, then i applaude you, but for those who just dont care or dont think straight then im kind of skeptical
theres a difference between just standing around and shooting a gun when theres no pressure on you and an actual situation that is going to force you make quick decisions about your surroundings and the target

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by nietzsche
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again, im not telling any of you that you are indeed the nutjob, when did i say that? i said people COULD snap, everyone is different and everyone has their own problems.
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The following are all things you posted
"what if someone had a condition in which they acted differently when they missed their medication, and in a confused state they ran up to you without telling you anything and tried to grab you for help. i think theres a lot of situations in which you're not going to really know what to do and might panic and kill someone.
and for the most of you, who all of a sudden says you have the right to be the law? just because you have a license to carry a gun and shoot? i think many people need to wake up and just grow up and live your life.
and then once everyone has a gun and license to carry it, what if something happens and they become outraged and go on a killing spree?
i dont mean being mugged because carrying a gun because youre afraid of getting mugged is flat out retarded. are you seriously going to be taking a stroll through a neighborhood full of nothing but murderers?
every person is different, when you have more people carrying a gun and a 50/50 chance of someone being a nutjob everyday, then whats going to happen?
omg hey lets all be big men and try to save the world by buying guns and running through the streets.
tw, just because gang members have guns dont mean you should. if you ever do get involved in a situation where you pull a gun on someone from a gang, how many more are going to show up at your house to kill your family and you? just because you pulled a gun to be a heroe or to prove something,
we just dont believe in something stupid as having a gun to deal with problems.
i dont need a gun. im not insecure about anything
i still wouldnt encourage people to have guns. i want peace where i live, not a bunch of maniacs running with guns. choose wisely where you live and choose it because you want you and your family to prosper. and if things get bad your life is your main priority and move out, dont stick it out because you want to appear a tough dude to a bunch of nobodys"

 

[nietzsche]

 

[nietzsche]

"what if someone had a condition in which they acted differently when they missed their medication, and in a confused state they ran up to you without telling you anything and tried to grab you for help. i think theres a lot of situations in which you're not going to really know what to do and might panic and kill someone.this was to a response to someone who said something like i dont care who you are you better say something before i shoot youand for the most of you, who all of a sudden says you have the right to be the law? just because you have a license to carry a gun and shoot? i think many people need to wake up and just grow up and live your life.
is it hard to believe that people want feel like they are the law?
and then once everyone has a gun and license to carry it, what if something happens and they become outraged and go on a killing spree?
you dont think it could happen? lot of people have different mental illneses that we cant see
i dont mean being mugged because carrying a gun because youre afraid of getting mugged is flat out retarded. are you seriously going to be taking a stroll through a neighborhood full of nothing but murderers?
whats your reason to carry a gun? just because you got mugged?

every person is different, when you have more people carrying a gun and a 50/50 chance of someone being a nutjob everyday, then whats going to happen?
ok and?
omg hey lets all be big men and try to save the world by buying guns and running through the streets.
..................
tw, just because gang members have guns dont mean you should. if you ever do get involved in a situation where you pull a gun on someone from a gang, how many more are going to show up at your house to kill your family and you? just because you pulled a gun to be a heroe or to prove something,
does it?
we just dont believe in something stupid as having a gun to deal with problems.
yeah, me or my family dont believe in it, and?
i dont need a gun. im not insecure about anything
yeah... i dont need a gun? okay?
i still wouldnt encourage people to have guns. i want peace where i live, not a bunch of maniacs running with guns. choose wisely where you live and choose it because you want you and your family to prosper. and if things get bad your life is your main priority and move out, dont stick it out because you want to appear a tough dude to a bunch of nobodys"
yeah i dont encourage people to have guns, but unless youre a cop or have super special training then i imagine why not as long as you make the right choices and dont people in danger
for many people violence isnt the answer and it doesnt make sense to stay in a situation that will put them in danger everyday.................

 

[nietzsche]

looks like reeftaff has it our for me

 

[reefraff]

The quote all speak for themselves, and as do your responses to them being posted.

 

[nietzsche]

Originally Posted by reefraff
The quote all speak for themselves, and as do your responses to them being posted.

awesome!

 

[shogun323]

Originally Posted by thirty5
I cant find it now, but whoever posted in about the law in TN. I personally think that it is the stupidest thing that they could have passed. If people want to carry for their own protection or of their FAMILY i can understand that. But allowing that law will only create the SUPERMAN who wanted to be a cop but could not get hired for one reason or not, but is still able to get a CC permit.
That was MichaelTX's post. Florida has the same law. I wasnt aware of it until I took the course. It really caught me off guard. Florida's laws are probably the most relaxed in the country. I think it is way too easy to get a permit down here. The requirements state that in order to obtain a permit that "one must demonstrate comptency with a firearm." Gun shows exploit this and issue a permit after only firing 1 round. It's rediculous! I took a 200 round course taught by a retired army major/former LEO that lasted 6 hours and heavily focused on the responsilbilities of carrying and the potential reprocussions if you have an incident. I think this should be mandatory. Additionally, I think they should implement a "continuing ed" for permit holders.

 

[deltablack22]

Originally Posted by thirty5
Delta,
That is because we know how much training is really necessary to understand the power of carrying a weapon. We chose to live a life carrying a weapon. Most people how just want to carry cause they THINK that they will really be able to protect themselves and their family, dont get the proper training necessary to "really" be able to use the weapon correctly.
I do agree on the fact that their should be a better training program in place to develop skills in those that desire to carry concealed and perhaps even condensed version to those that want to even own a handgun. The programs in place now, to my knowledge are sketchy at best. I actually spoke with my grandmother who has a concealed carry permit tonight on the subject and asked what she had to do in order to obtain her permit. She said they gave her a class, had her take a test, and then they fired their own weapons. She's not a bad shot and I trust her with weapons, but I honestly dont know that if the situation presented itself that she would be able to use it effectively.

 

[deltablack22]

Originally Posted by florida joe
Watler PPKS 380 granted not a lot of stopping power but a nice small frame carry pistol also my new must have carry is a new pistol Walter/SW came out with its the thinnest 9MM you can get got great reviews from shooter mag goes for about $600 message me if you want the specs
The only walthers I saw were I wanna say .45 and .22 pistols... I'm gonna google this one...

 

[michaeltx]

exactly and thats the way most classes are infortunatly!! in the mean time you have these people with the permit carry which is there right but not knowing how to use it properly it can cause more harm than good.
Mike

 

[florida joe]

Originally Posted by DeltaBlack22
The only walthers I saw were I wanna say .45 and .22 pistols... I'm gonna google this one...
walter PPKS is a 380 the new walter ppk by water and s and m is a 9mm

 

[florida joe]

Originally Posted by reefraff
If someone breaks into your house you use 2 shots. First one in the center of the chest and the second into the wall just above a window or door. The header will stop the bullet and you get to tell the cops "I fired a warning shot".

if some one brakes into your house put the first in his chest save the second one no need to fire it

 

[firerescue]

I have the springfield XD 40 caliber with 12 round clips. I love it and my wife loves to shoot it too. I have the 4 inch barrel and 2 tone color