Concealed Carry

[thirty5]

Originally Posted by nietzsche
its not off topic, its just part of the responsibility that comes with owning a gun, and just as there are many people who are responsible, there are many more who are not and put their own family in danger, even though its something they wanted to prevent
and i agree with you on shooting under pressure, thats how it is and people refuse to believe that they cant shoot under extreme conditions.
I will give you an example of a drill that we do. Range officer sets up targets that simulate a SHOOT/NO SHOOT. The targets are of pictures of people that either have a weapon or DONT, You shoot the people with weapons. Now.....
We put balloons on the targets. When you shoot you want to shoot for the heart, or the head, but im telling you that ifyou hit the head under a stress situation, it is probably luck. Well we cannot see the targets. We are told to enter and do what we have to do. 5 Targets all with balloons. Now you have to shoot and take out the baddies. We have guys and i have done it, where i have shot a person that should not have been shot. Also you have to hit the balloon. A shot in the heart will most likely take a person down or a shot in the head. If you shoot someone in the arm, or leg, or stomach or shoulder THEY ARE NOT GOING TO STOP. People this is not the movies.
We have guys who go through 2 magazines of bullets at 15 feet to hit the balloons under stressful situations.
I wish i was able to show you guys some videos that we have.
I went to a street survial course and there was a story of a cop who went into a call with a guy and the cop unloaded over 9 rounds into the guy and the guy kept coming.
So if you think that carrying a little 380 pea shooter, or a 5 shot revolver, or even a compact that can hold 12 rounds, is enough you are terribly wrong. Right now i have a 5 shot ankle piece on, and i dont think that i would shoot unless i was basically sure of my shot or point blank.

 

[veni vidi vici]

Originally Posted by thirty5
This thread can go back and forth because there are people who are FAR off on one side and far off on the other. You are far off on one side. Saying that it infringes on your rights. The constitution was written a long time ago and should be re-written. You are against gun control, the way I am reading your posts is that you feel that a criminal should be allowed to walk into 7-11 and get a gun cause they have a kid. And ya know when he is dealing his crack and storing it in his kids diapers that he might have to defend his kid. That is how bizarre some people are. People who think that it is their right to have a gun are the same people who think that it is their right to have a driver's license.
My feeling is that noone should have the "right" to have a gun. If you want a gun you should have to prove that you are able to be responsible and that you can safely have it, and mostly be able to be proficient in using it.
I read before that someone posted that they "had" a cc permit until they got into trouble. But that soone he will be able to get it back. I that responsible. Should he be able to carry a gun if it was taken away.??
Your absolutely right ,i am anti-gun controll and i do belive i have the right to CC ,to have a drivers licence,to drive without my seatbelt on or without a helmet..........
Simple fact is criminals dont buy gun legaly and they will always have them no matter if you take them away from the general public or not.
I dont think i should have to jump through hoops to get what has already been givin to me"the right to bear arms"
BTW the bible was written along time ago too should it be RE-written aswell? Just because its old dosent mean it not right or good

 

[nietzsche]

Originally Posted by Veni Vidi Vici
Your absolutely right ,i am anti-gun controll and i do belive i have the right to CC ,to have a drivers licence,to drive without my seatbelt on or without a helmet..........
Simple fact is criminals dont buy gun legaly and they will always have them no matter if you take them away from the general public or not.
I dont think i should have to jump through hoops to get what has already been givin to me"the right to bear arms"
BTW the bible was written along time ago too should it be RE-written aswell? Just because its old dosent mean it not right or good
yeah its been re-written to modern language, no ones going to want to hear jesus say, "sup dudes, check this out"
anyways, great its your right, the whole point that hes trying to tell you is that its freaking dangerous for some random person to carry a gun just because they want to, some people on here already admitted that where they live the classes are just a joke to get a permit.
hes also been telling you about his experience in training and a lot of people dont come close to this training

 

[thirty5]

Originally Posted by Veni Vidi Vici
Your absolutely right ,i am anti-gun controll and i do belive i have the right to CC ,to have a drivers licence,to drive without my seatbelt on or without a helmet..........
Simple fact is criminals dont buy gun legaly and they will always have them no matter if you take them away from the general public or not.
I dont think i should have to jump through hoops to get what has already been givin to me"the right to bear arms"
BTW the bible was written along time ago too should it be RE-written aswell? Just because its old dosent mean it not right or good

Well sorry to say that you DONT have the right to CC, you dont have the RIGHT to a driver's license. Personally if you dont want to wear a seatbelt or a helmet that is your decision. Kill yourself, fine, kill others not fine.
And comparing the constitution to the bible is just plain ...... trying to think of a nice word...... STUPID. We are talking about a writing that everyone MUST follow, the constitution. You are comparing that to a religious writing that not all people belive in.
I think that not only shoud you have to jump through hoops you should have to jump through TINY little hoops that you can barely make it. Then if you get through them, then jump through it again.
Here is NJ it is almost impossible to get CC permit, and i like it that way. Yes the criminals get guns, there is never anything that you can do about that. But it does limit the people that "I" may come up against in the REAL WORLD. So if i see a gun here then my suspicions are very high, and i dont have to think, well maybe this is a person who has a CC permit. Either it is a COP or its NOT. And people who carry a gun CC for a living but not a cop, i believe DO KNOW what they are doing, because they are usually ex-cops.
We do background checks on people each time they apply for a handgun permit (permit to purchase) and here even DWI's can disqualify you to be able to PURCHASE, forget carry. NJ is way to strict is some things but this I totaly agree with, if you are so irresponsible to drive drunk then there should be no way in hell that you should be allowed to have a gun.
Once again comes down to responsiblity.

 

[thirty5]

Originally Posted by nietzsche
yeah its been re-written to modern language, no ones going to want to hear jesus say, "sup dudes, check this out"
anyways, great its your right, the whole point that hes trying to tell you is that its freaking dangerous for some random person to carry a gun just because they want to, some people on here already admitted that where they live the classes are just a joke to get a permit.
hes also been telling you about his experience in training and a lot of people dont come close to this training
Nietz,
You are from a state where everyone and their mother has a gun. Glad to see that you see it through the eyes of people who just want to make sure that people are safe, not to just have a gun BECAUSE I HAVE A RIGHT TO HAVE ONE. That might be the worst excuse so far.

 

[veni vidi vici]

Originally Posted by nietzsche
yeah its been re-written to modern language, no ones going to want to hear jesus say, "sup dudes, check this out"
anyways, great its your right, the whole point that hes trying to tell you is that its freaking dangerous for some random person to carry a gun just because they want to, some people on here already admitted that where they live the classes are just a joke to get a permit.
hes also been telling you about his experience in training and a lot of people dont come close to this training
Its the content im refering to not the language. And yes it may be dangerous for some random person to carry a gun just because they want to ,it may also be dangerous to not carry one because you CANT. Its the right to choose ,thats part of my argument.

 

[nietzsche]

Originally Posted by Veni Vidi Vici
Its the content im refering to not the language. And yes it may be dangerous for some random person to carry a gun just because they want to ,it may also be dangerous to not carry one because you CANT. Its the right to choose ,thats part of my argument.
okay, when you put other people in danger then this becomes a big issue. OK your life is in danger, but are you going to put people around you at risk? are you going to be shooting a gun in a neighborhood when you damn well know you hear stories about bullets missing and killing innocent kids or people in their homes?
i hope you have the best training available and make the right decisions when youre under pressure
a lot of people wont. and so far this whole thread has been "yeah i know what im doing" but you cant account for the other people who have no freaking clue and bad judgement

 

[veni vidi vici]

Originally Posted by thirty5
And comparing the constitution to the bible is just plain ...... trying to think of a nice word...... STUPID. We are talking about a writing that everyone MUST follow, the constitution. You are comparing that to a religious writing that not all people belive in.
I am not compreing the Bible and the Constitution per se. Im just saying just because its old dosnt make it a bad thing,as i said in my post.
And yes if i want to get killed doing something stupid thats my business not law enforcment or anyone elses either. Just my opinion and ill keep voteing to make sure that im doing my part so that more usless laws and right removeing laws are kept to a minimum.

 

[veni vidi vici]

Originally Posted by nietzsche
okay, when you put other people in danger then this becomes a big issue. OK your life is in danger, but are you going to put people around you at risk? are you going to be shooting a gun in a neighborhood when you damn well know you hear stories about bullets missing and killing innocent kids or people in their homes?
i hope you have the best training available and make the right decisions when youre under pressure
a lot of people wont. and so far this whole thread has been "yeah i know what im doing" but you cant account for the other people who have no freaking clue and bad judgement
Yes i have heard and saw and lived in and around the stories.And if im not mistaken its usually gun toteing criminals doing the shooting. Not the law abideing citizen.

 

[clown boy]

Originally Posted by thirty5
And comparing the constitution to the bible is just plain ...... trying to think of a nice word...... STUPID. We are talking about a writing that everyone MUST follow, the constitution. You are comparing that to a religious writing that not all people belive in.
Just a religious writing, eh? Hmm...

 

[thirty5]

Originally Posted by Clown Boy
Just a religious writing, eh? Hmm...
I did not say "Just" i said a religious writing. And the comparison was made of the bible to the consitution. All people "must" follow the constitution. But religion is not a "must"
I am a catholic and belive in the bible. But i am also from the real world and realize that you cant compare it to the constitution

 

[veni vidi vici]

Originally Posted by thirty5
I did not say "Just" i said a religious writing. And the comparison was made of the bible to the consitution. All people "must" follow the constitution. But religion is not a "must"
I am a catholic and belive in the bible. But i am also from the real world and realize that you cant compare it to the constitution
I think the word GOD might be in the Constitution aswel.

 

[thirty5]

Originally Posted by Veni Vidi Vici
Yes i have heard and saw and lived in and around the stories.And if im not mistaken its usually gun toteing criminals doing the shooting. Not the law abideing citizen.
Forget who had the gun. It was a bullet from a gun that a person shot. And yes it could be a cops gun.
I cant wait for the technology to come out with smart guns that are foolproof so that the guns cant get out there. I know that i am asking for something that is almost impossible. That is really the only way to conrol illegal gun sales. But that will not correct the lax CC laws in some states.

 

[clown boy]

Originally Posted by thirty5
I did not say "Just" i said a religious writing. And the comparison was made of the bible to the consitution. All people "must" follow the constitution. But religion is not a "must"
I am a catholic and belive in the bible. But i am also from the real world and realize that you cant compare it to the constitution
Well, I guess I may be taking you wrongly...
Are you saying that "religion" as you call it is less important than government laws, or that God doesn't force himself on people?

 

[thirty5]

Originally Posted by Veni Vidi Vici
I think the word GOD might be in the Constitution aswel.

You are right it is.

But using the word GOD and Bible do not necessary go with each other. I am not going to get inot religous debates. But alot of people belive in god and not in the bible.
Now i even forgot the inital point of the bible.

 

[veni vidi vici]

Originally Posted by thirty5
You are right it is.

But using the word GOD and Bible do not necessary go with each other. I am not going to get inot religous debates. But alot of people belive in god and not in the bible.
Now i even forgot the inital point of the bible.

LOL i guess we will just have to agree to disagree

 

[thirty5]

Yes and i have no problem in agreeing to that. I actually enjoy this type of debate. And it is actually easier on here than in person, cause sometimes i would be sitting here screaming. So here i can manage my words LOL.....

 

[veni vidi vici]

Originally Posted by thirty5
Yes and i have no problem in agreeing to that. I actually enjoy this type of debate. And it is actually easier on here than in person, cause sometimes i would be sitting here screaming. So here i can manage my words LOL.....

LOL i can see it now .You and i squatting behind cars takeing potshots at one another and screaming "CARRY AND CONCEAL! ""NO CARRY AND CONCEAL!"

 

[clown boy]

 

[thirty5]

HAHAHAHAAH
But i will have to bring my subgun and AR15. I can carry them, even you can't. LOL