Concealed Carry

[socal57che]

That's a fine choice. I'm a former CCW holder (PA) and am going to try for my CA CCW sometime next year. Local sheriff is not CCW friendly. Too many liberals out here. We're not even allowed to purchase a .50 BMG like the Barrett. Owners were forced to register them or remove them from the state. That's how messed up we are out here...how many Mc Donalds have been held up with a .50 cal rifle that weighs as much as a car?
Originally Posted by DeltaBlack22
Anyone on here carry concealed? I've been doing a little bit of shopping around lately and fell in love with Springfields XD-9 subcompact. Personally it fits the bill perfectly for what I'm looking for... I'm mainly looking for something my wife can have while I'm gone, but versitile for a concealed carry as well. I think my alternate is Sig's single stack .45 but I dont want too much gun if my wife is going to be using it as well.
Any thoughts?

 

[deltablack22]

Originally Posted by thirty5
Delta, i have a S&W .38 5 shot. It is a tough shot. Aiming is uncomfortable seems like you have to point the gun down to aim.
I would say that if you are going to get her one, go for the Sig 239 .40
I do like the 239... I think I may end up with one of these for myself in .45 ACP.

 

[deltablack22]

Originally Posted by ReefForBrains
I let my CCW run out last year but it is very common out here to carry. Rural and lots of drugs and crime, I am not hot head nor vigilante, but it sure is nice to have a weapon on ya if your out in the middle of the backwoods by yourself.
Excellent choice, Dig through the archives I have long preached about the greatness of the Springfield XD series.
I actually did a search on it (feeling kinda stupid doing it on SWF.com) but nothing came up... I'll try again.

 

[deltablack22]

Originally Posted by thirty5
One more story to back up my opinion.
My dad has a friend in PA and this guy has carries concealed in his vehicle. He keeps the damn gun in his glove compartment. Now is drives alot and he takes it out of state. Now that is a big NONO. Now that is not being responsible. And i think that alot of people do that. I told my dad that if i stopped someone that was carrying a weapon in NJ even with a CC permit out of state and he was in NJ and i saw the weapon in the glove box, that he would probably get removed forcefully by gunpoint and then arrested and charged with it.
Thats just an abuse of authority. Sure you have the grounds to arrest the individual but thats just a power trip comment. If firearms werent regulated by the states this wouldnt be a topic. If one state deems me good to carry a firearm concealed does the universe really shut down when I cross the imaginary state line with my weapon?
The dudes not trying to hurt anyone, just protect himself. Advise him of the law and move on.

 

[deltablack22]

Originally Posted by reefraff
To attempt to swing the thread back on topic I would say I like a 45 auto for home defense because they are less apt to go through a wall and end up in your neighbors living room. Once the bullet hits something it tends to start tumbling and loses energy pretty quick. Smaller fast moving rounds like a 40 will peirce nicely and keep going a greater distance. Another nice item is the Glaser Saftey Slug. It is a polymer slug full of BB's that will shatter once it hits about anything so while it will pretty much stop anyone with a direct hit it wont cause much damage with a ricochet or if you miss and shoot through say a piece of drywall. I used to keep 2 of those as the first rounds in the clip and then hollow points.
Thats a pretty good tip - didnt even know they had rounds like that.

 

[deltablack22]

Originally Posted by huskychasrs
NJ is such an anti-gun state its ridiculous.
They've managed to warp a lot of people to think guns are bad...oooohoohh.
DB22...Why not a M-9? Good balance easy to shoot.
Touching that gun would give me flashbacks.

 

[deltablack22]

Originally Posted by nietzsche
you know not all women HAVE to carry guns. theres mace, those tazer gun things, they even stuff that that make a super loud noise that stops the attaker i even think they have some with built in needles that takes the person's blood. therse just a lot of things out there.
and for the most of you, who all of a sudden says you have the right to be the law? just because you have a license to carry a gun and shoot? i think many people need to wake up and just grow up and live your life. why am i going to buy a gun just because theres a lot of crime here? i'm not asking for trouble or looking for it, and if it happens it happens and i'm going to deal with it. yeah, someone broke into our truck at the grocery store, luckily we had nothing they could take, but am i going to all of a sudden buy a gun just because i feel threatened?

First off where can I find this blood needle gun??? That sounds sweet.

I dont think that anyones saying they have the right to "be the law", but who's to say that you cant defend yourself in the same right as a law enforcement officer would??? If I go to the police academy all of a sudden I'm god? Come on now... There are guns around you all the time whether you see them or not. If I was you I would push for more people in your area to carry concealed.
Punk mexican drug dealers shouldnt have an American citizen saying, "but am i going to all of a sudden buy a gun just because i feel threatened?".... Excercise your 2nd Amendment RIGHT and do something about it. Fear of retribution in your own home should MAKE you want to buy a 240G and establish AOA's on your property. That upsets me that people would rather live scared than defend themselves. I'd rather die than live like that.

 

[deltablack22]

Originally Posted by smartorl
Have you even handled any type of firearm? Do you have any children? How would you feel if your wife or future wife and daughter were raped while you watched? It happens every day and if someone chooses to carry a fire arm to protect themselves or to at least feel "safe" who are you to tell them otherwise?
This is one of those topics that people often feel strongly one way or another, everyone is grouped as for or against but truly most people are somewhere in the middle and shy away from both extremes.
Guns are not for everyone. I think there should be more regulation on who gets to carry guns of any type but I do think people have the right to own them.
If you are really anti-gun, why not focus your energies on those that are not supposed to have them instead of those that are getting them legally.
This almost brought a tear to my eye. AMEN!

 

[deltablack22]

Originally Posted by nietzsche
Uh
And on another note, there are people who people violence will never be the answer no matter how extreme the situation youll be in. For example a professor of mine interviewed a priest. he asked the priest, "what would you do if i broke into your house and held your family hostage and had a gun pointed to their heads and told you if you didnt kill me i would kill your wife infront of you?" He said, "i wouldnt kill you." "OK, BAM, shot your wife. Now i have your kid infront of you, your only kid and hes crying and asking you to kill me, and i even gave you a gun to stop me from killing him. Youll HAVE TO kill me right? I mean, i just killed your wife." "No, i still wouldnt kill you." "OK, bam! just killed your kid. Now i'm going to kill you, you have a chance, will you?" and the priest explains that he strongly believes against violence and believes that he knows his family died and went to heaven with God where he will soon join them. my weird ethics professor was just kind of like oh wow.
This is a really bad example. I think you hit the nail on the head when you said "weird ethics professor". You think maybe he's rubbing off a little?

 

[deltablack22]

Originally Posted by nietzsche
you actually think one person or a handful can take out a gang of 100s? once you get involved youll regret it. you think if you pulled a gun on one of them that the rest of them wont come after you? they have nothing better to do
i see a lot of people that will happily fight back but never stop and say "wait, that was just a 90 dollar watch.. man who cares, i'm ALIVE.

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the watch i'm still here."
the whole point is that most of the time having a gun isnt necessary, and in many cases having a gun could put your life and others around you in danger. and then once everyone has a gun and license to carry it, what if something happens and they become outraged and go on a killing spree? look at the astronuat lady who went nuts when she found out her husband was cheaing on her, would you want a gun in her hand? granted that if you live in a seriously bad location where something will happen to you, then MAYBE carry something, but once someone knows you carry something then theyre going to come back with something too. why provoke things?
like tobin says, i think there should be some more thought into gun laws
Where do you live that they teach you to tuck tail and run?
terrorism - the calculated use of violence (or the threat of violence) against civilians in order to attain goals that are political or religious or ideological in nature; this is done through intimidation or coercion or instilling fear
You pose the question of would I want the lady that killed her husband to have a gun... I'm not versed on the story so I wont comment on it, but I do know that I dont want gang members having guns and they do anyway. Illegal guns are cheap and easy to come by. Sounds to me like you want to take all the guns away from good people that way these jokers can walk around taking everyones $90 watch. And It'll all be ok because nobody is getting hurt right?

 

[thirty6]

i had the kahr p9, great size weapon, shot ok. i had problems with mag staying seated and would cause jamming. the inside of gun was made of plastic and got ripped up from firing-which causing problem. the company was great in regards to correcting problem.
sig 239 is a great shooting weapon in 9 or 40 cal version. personally, i think its just a bit too big for ccw.
glock 26/27 another good choice, and what i carry off duty. the sig shoots much smoother and handles recoil better. with that being said, i went with glock because i am comfortable shooting it and more importantly i carry it more than not- the sig would be sitting in a gun locker someplace where it would be of no use to me. a local pd had switched to springfield xd pistol a year or so ago. they had a few minor problems with them and went back to glock. keep in mind, the purpose they were using it for was completely different than a ccw. (no i dont recall the problems, i want to say very minor that a everyday reg. person would not care much about at all)
the debate for cw is usually heated one, but what is often overlooked is the ability to shoot the weapon at a person. you may be able to hit a paper target all day long, aim at someones chest with the intent to stop a threat and be ready to pull the trigger! if you cant put yourself in that mindset, save your money!

 

[nietzsche]

Originally Posted by DeltaBlack22
Where do you live that they teach you to tuck tail and run?
terrorism - the calculated use of violence (or the threat of violence) against civilians in order to attain goals that are political or religious or ideological in nature; this is done through intimidation or coercion or instilling fear
You pose the question of would I want the lady that killed her husband to have a gun... I'm not versed on the story so I wont comment on it, but I do know that I dont want gang members having guns and they do anyway. Illegal guns are cheap and easy to come by. Sounds to me like you want to take all the guns away from good people that way these jokers can walk around taking everyones $90 watch. And It'll all be ok because nobody is getting hurt right?
omg hey lets all be big men and try to save the world by buying guns and running through the streets. oh dang, now terrorism is involved? wow. we should just go buy tanks to protect ourselves againsts terrorism.
seriously, so you really seem to want to be a heroe huh? why dont you do something about it and join the police force?????? or hey what about the military and stay there?
point is anyone can suddenly snap, and hey guess what? they have a higher chance of pulling a gun, why? oh look they have a licence so of course now you have a screwball running with a gun because he snapped.
VIOLENCE ISNT THE ANSWER TO VIOLENCE. man really, most of you come with these stories and i bet you dont live an area where people pull out a gun on you constantly. my gf lives in brooklyn, walks the streets at night with her friends coming home late from school after staying up to do projects for her architecture classes, she knows that 9/11 happpened, but shes not going to be a little wuss and go out and buy a gun. her main source of transportation is the s-u-b-w-a-y (retarded emoticons come up when you say s.u.b.w.a.y) and even though the bombings happened overseas where they attacked the s-u-b-w-a-ys, shes not going to be pushed into fear by something stupid as that, and buying a gun to solve that is stupid. its not like youre going to pull a gun out on a bomb. all she has is mace and thought out plans before venturing out. i always tell her that if shes going to go back at late, ask anyone in the studio to walk back with her. i already said that if you live in that bad of an area then you should carry something, but in reality when someone is going to attack you you wont be ready.
btw, just because gang members have guns dont mean you should. if you ever do get involved in a situation where you pull a gun on someone from a gang, how many more are going to show up at your house to kill your family and you? just because you pulled a gun to be a heroe or to prove something, you all of a sudden put other peoples lives in danger, this being your family. word travels fast through the vines, dont be stupid in getting involved. why would you want to live in an area like that btw?

 

[deltablack22]

Originally Posted by nietzsche
if you want to protect your house LEAVE IT AT YOUR HOUSE.
im saying is for those who want to be heroes and go around waiting for something to happen, why? leave it to the police, do what you can, but know that you are not the law. Ive been in situations where ive woken up at 3am and found out some people crashed. Like one night i woke up because the power went out, heard some people screaming in the woods. Did i know what it was? no. For all i know maybe someone was killing someone or maybe it was an ambush, I put in my shoes and ran over there, turns out people flipped a car and crashed into the trees. I just think people worry about nothing.
Really, why do you want to carry a gun around with you? how many times are you going to be involved in a situation where your life is at danger, and i dont mean being mugged because carrying a gun because youre afraid of getting mugged is flat out retarded. are you seriously going to be taking a stroll through a neighborhood full of nothing but murderers?
every person is different, when you have more people carrying a gun and a 50/50 chance of someone being a nutjob everyday, then whats going to happen?
It only takes one time. You said the screaming was from injured passengers in a vehicle... Could've been the manson family ready to paint redrum on your walls. Point is you never know what could happen. I would much rather be prepared than not at all.
How do you sleep at night accepting defeat? Criminals thrive on people like you, especially gangs. Before joining the Marines, I lived in Atlanta. There was a rash home invasions where all kind of outcomes varying from dead homeowners to robberies. Sure they happened sometimes with the crooks just getting off with some property, but I remember once instance where two men entered a home in downtown Atlanta, and shot the homeowner. They didnt know it but the guys brother was there also, who returned fire killing one of the suspects and severely wounding the other.
The first rule of gunfighting is: BRING A GUN

 

[nietzsche]

LOL. i accept defeat? OKAY. i really have no idea how to even explain this to you. my natural security at my house is my 80lb+ pitbull who i love and loves my family. in honesty, i didnt get him to protect anything, i got him becuse a baby who i had to raise since he had no mom. yeah i have a rifle, but i think under most conditions most people wont know how to use a gun correctly when something happens and put themselves in danger.
my family and my gf's family are against having guns and thats because they live in a neighborhood where its common to have something broken into and have stolen or for someone people to pull out a 9mm and shoot in the air. wht do we do? beef up security around our house. we just dont believe in something stupid as having a gun to deal with problems. i have a .22 but to be honest its been a long time since ive touched it and ive taken it apart so no one will use it. if you want to be a real man about something then use another way instead of killing. my dog is the only thing i need around here and i know nothing will happen even without him. being in the military of course your answer is to have a gun. i dont need a gun. im not insecure about anything. am i scared of death? no. i will do what i have to do to save my family, but if my family believes that guns are bad then ill do what my family says.
if someone comes up to you and provokes a fight are you going to be all man and fight them? hell ive heard people get into fist fights here and die because they wanted a parking spot, they get flat out knocked out and hit the cement hard and die. getting involved in things just because you want to prove something or be a man or heroe is not the way of doing things
is it so hard to believe that people actually dont want guns? you want to call Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi a wuss because he didnt have a gun? what about others who believed violence was not the answer?
wht about the british police officers who carry no guns and are faced with death? are they a bunch of pansies according to you? uh no.

 

[michaeltx]

man alot of emotions and ideas on this one.
lets all keep it civil just because it had to be said LOL
Has anyone heard the new law in TN to help in the crime rates there?
in a eggshell IF you have a concealed weapons permit you can use deadly force for violant crimes being commented on you or ANYONE that you see.
if you do not have a permit and use deadly force even to protect yourself its murder. so if I had a permit and kill a gang banger for robbing someone it falls to defense if I dont have one its murder. If 2 gangs are fighting and shot each other its murder becuse neither have permits to carry the weapon.
Not sure if its going to make a dramatic effect on anything but if it does I see this type of laws spreading. memphis has a very HIGH crime rate and nothing they are doing as of yet is helping other than to shift the criminals into the surounding areas in the neighboring towns so now the other cities are seeing a massive increase in crime and at the same time no reliefe for memphis. so this new law comes into effect I dont know whats going to happen.
I am all for someone in getting a permit or useing a conceled weapon if its warranted and they are trained to use it. the problem I see is all the people that choose not to get a permit and use a weapon to rib and kill the conveince store operators that work for a safe place for them and thier family.
JMO
Mike

 

[nietzsche]

you know what, i actually wish there were no guns. being in an area where people like to prove that theyre men and stop at traffic lights and tell each other things, we hear people that pull out guns and shoot each other. and its just a damn tragedy that people feel like theyre men because they have control of your life with a stupid gun instead of using your fists or other means.
wth is it with people and guns?
you know, i dont believe in god, and i value my life even more because if i die, then this is it, there is no after death. what i have now is what i have and love it. and even with not believing in a life after death i still wouldnt encourage people to have guns. i want peace where i live, not a bunch of maniacs running with guns. choose wisely where you live and choose it because you want you and your family to prosper. and if things get bad your life is your main priority and move out, dont stick it out because you want to appear a tough dude to a bunch of nobodys

 

[deltablack22]

Originally Posted by nietzsche
omg hey lets all be big men and try to save the world by buying guns and running through the streets. oh dang, now terrorism is involved? wow. we should just go buy tanks to protect ourselves againsts terrorism.
seriously, so you really seem to want to be a heroe huh? why dont you do something about it and join the police force?????? or hey what about the military and stay there?
point is anyone can suddenly snap, and hey guess what? they have a higher chance of pulling a gun, why? oh look they have a licence so of course now you have a screwball running with a gun because he snapped.
VIOLENCE ISNT THE ANSWER TO VIOLENCE. man really, most of you come with these stories and i bet you dont live an area where people pull out a gun on you constantly. my gf lives in brooklyn, walks the streets at night with her friends coming home late from school after staying up to do projects for her architecture classes, she knows that 9/11 happpened, but shes not going to be a little wuss and go out and buy a gun. her main source of transportation is the s-u-b-w-a-y (retarded emoticons come up when you say s.u.b.w.a.y) and even though the bombings happened overseas where they attacked the s-u-b-w-a-ys, shes not going to be pushed into fear by something stupid as that, and buying a gun to solve that is stupid. its not like youre going to pull a gun out on a bomb. all she has is mace and thought out plans before venturing out. i always tell her that if shes going to go back at late, ask anyone in the studio to walk back with her. i already said that if you live in that bad of an area then you should carry something, but in reality when someone is going to attack you you wont be ready.
btw, just because gang members have guns dont mean you should. if you ever do get involved in a situation where you pull a gun on someone from a gang, how many more are going to show up at your house to kill your family and you? just because you pulled a gun to be a heroe or to prove something, you all of a sudden put other peoples lives in danger, this being your family. word travels fast through the vines, dont be stupid in getting involved. why would you want to live in an area like that btw?
I would love to see some statistics involving how many Americans "snap" a year. And then I would like to know how many of those people own a gun. And how many of those that have a CCW permit. And lastly, how many of those people "snapped" and fired their weapon in a situation that did not warrant such action. Going by your theory we should disband our military and law enforcement branches and do away with all weapons because who knows, any one of these people could just go crazy one day and start killing people...
I dont think anyone is trying to be a hero here. People that want to protect themselves and their loved ones are just being realistic and taking steps to be prepared in the event something does happen. Much like the seatbelt analogy that has been used time and time again on this thread.
I think if you were paying attention you would've noticed that most of these gun toting fanatics your refering to as "wanna be heros" are either present or former military or law enforcement personell.

 

[deltablack22]

I'm interested to see what happens in Memphis Michael... Sounds like a good way to curb gang violence to me.

 

[nietzsche]

Originally Posted by DeltaBlack22
I would love to see some statistics involving how many Americans "snap" a year. And then I would like to know how many of those people own a gun. And how many of those that have a CCW permit. And lastly, how many of those people "snapped" and fired their weapon in a situation that did not warrant such action. Going by your theory we should disband our military and law enforcement branches and do away with all weapons because who knows, any one of these people could just go crazy one day and start killing people...
I dont think anyone is trying to be a hero here. People that want to protect themselves and their loved ones are just being realistic and taking steps to be prepared in the event something does happen. Much like the seatbelt analogy that has been used time and time again on this thread.
I think if you were paying attention you would've noticed that most of these gun toting fanatics your refering to as "wanna be heros" are either present or former military or law enforcement personell.
um this is all theoretical, i thought you knew?
seatbelt analogy doesnt even belong here. you wear a seatbelt because you know you have a higher risk of dying in a car accident, not only that but its law.
that is just a whole other debate. "My body, my life," etc.
btw of course i knew some are in the law enforcement and what not, i trust those people know exactly what theyre doing, of course, they are the law arent they?

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by nietzsche
you know what, i actually wish there were no guns. being in an area where people like to prove that theyre men and stop at traffic lights and tell each other things, we hear people that pull out guns and shoot each other. and its just a damn tragedy that people feel like theyre men because they have control of your life with a stupid gun instead of using your fists or other means.
wth is it with people and guns?
you know, i dont believe in god, and i value my life even more because if i die, then this is it, there is no after death. what i have now is what i have and love it. and even with not believing in a life after death i still wouldnt encourage people to have guns. i want peace where i live, not a bunch of maniacs running with guns. choose wisely where you live and choose it because you want you and your family to prosper. and if things get bad your life is your main priority and move out, dont stick it out because you want to appear a tough dude to a bunch of nobodys
You seem to have swallowed the anti-gun propaganda hook, line and sinker.
If someone wanted to look tough by carrying a gun they would wear it on their hip, WHERE IT CAN BE SEEN.
I guess the difference between people like you and people like me is I respect your decision not to own a gun. I don't neccessarily think that makes you a coward or a wimp but you obviously think anyone who carrys a gun is somekind of nutjob or maniac. Fact is the statistics prove that the vast majority of gunowners are well reasoned and responsible people who use their weapons about a million and a half times a year to defend themselves.