DO NOT DO as Meowzer did :(

al&burke

al&burke

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Originally Posted by florida joe http:///t/387603/do-not-do-as-meowzer-did/180#post_3412556
Lois I agree there is a lot of different opinions on how to BUT the one positive absolute is that in some way shape or form the hobbyist will eventually need bio filtration. The establishment of which is through bacteria growth. This growth has fundamental steps which should be learned at the outset of the hobbyists endeavor to keep a saltwater aquarium.
Now to my good friend AL. so if I was to admit my mistakes it would make me a BIGGER person? hum interesting . Lois has always said to me “I wish you were bigger”
Joe - you made me laugh - just remember what your avitar says
 
beth

beth

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I don't argue that viewpoint for sure.
But this much hoopla over how to set a QT is crazy. :rotfl:
And then, she is still uncertain.
 
meowzer

meowzer

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Never meant for this to turn into a circus.....
I know what I am doing....setting up a QT (which is done) adding the last remaining fish.....and doing HYPO...leaving the DT empty for 8 weeks while this is going on
 
scott t

scott t

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Confusing, yet informative. I think the point has been made that the best option for a new hobbyist is to set up a QT to ensure that they have a better chance of not letting a parasite, disease, or something else that is not supposed to be in their DT, that maybe be detrimental to the over all health of their DT and its inhabitants. I think it is great that we can share ideas of what best works for us in any given situation, but it is up to the individual to take it with a grain of salt and not take it as gospel, because what may work for one may not work for another. This not only pertains to this hobby, it pertains to everyday life. I also agree that all hobbyist should do their own homework and research and not solely rely on one opinion and think it is going to be the cure all for everything. We should all understand that the opinions that are given in any thread here on the forums are given by hobbyist of all levels of experience, some have been in the hobby longer than others, and have tried various things, but does that mean they know all there is? No, it just means that they have tried many different ways of doing certain things, which may have worked for them or not worked for them. Even the most educated people have varying opinions and may not agree on how things should be done, but does that make one wrong and one right? No, it just means that we have to look at each side of the fence and choose which method we want to try, it is our sole choice of which side we choose. Or we maybe choose to use something for both sides to see if that might be the best option for us to use. What it comes down to, is that everything in this hobby is not cut and dry, that one tank varies from the next, so one thing or one opinion is not going be the right thing to do for another tank. It means that it has worked for one tank, and may not work for another. It is true that each system may use the same fundamentals to start the system, but as time goes on each one evolves into its own system and takes something different to make that system work, hence why we must drip acclimate all of our live stock to our own systems. If each system was the same many things that we do in this hobby would not be needed. Take everything with a grain of salt, nothing is going to be a clean cut answer to what needs to be done and how it needs to be done.
 
meowzer

meowzer

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WELL...just in case anyone is wondering...I have not moved the goby yet. I was waiting for the new test kits..and apparently they will not arrive until Friday

With my other kit...ammonia is between 0 and .25 nitrites are 0 trates 0....
We will move the fish Saturday evening when my husband gets home from work....and then...go from there
 
bubblegurl

bubblegurl

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Meowzer- this thread has def helped me. I have ich on 5 of my fish that I can see, saw it yesterday. I sent a pm to tangs rule on his qt set up but am really concerned about setting up then trying to move the fish, thereby stressing them more and even killing them. All last night and today I've been reading about treatments, options etc. Yesterday I started with garlic and selcon mixed in their food, everyone is eating great. I called a couple lfs today to get some advice, said I was thinking about setting up a qt and was told that it would be too stressful, picked up some ich attack. Went to another lfs as they had mentioned uv sterilizer. I mentioned a cleaner shrimp, he tried to sell me a cleaner wrasse even though I said I didn't want anymore fish, especially bec they are also susceptible to ich as well. I did pick up herbtana. I knew I had seen this thread, but only read a bit of it. I got home and wanted to reread what you had been through. I had mixed some water this morning, after rereading, I'm out to pick up a tank and copper. I'm heading out of town on wednesday so hypo is not an option till I get back on Monday. To be clear, I was not looking for a cheap way out, I'm trying to not stress the fish anymore than they already are. I've done nothing but research over the last 2 days and was not going to post about this bec I didn't want to get yelled at for not having a qt set up to begin with. So I know how you feel, but I'm not putting either product in my tank and will take them back.
This is an emergency set up and I pray I get it right. Thanks for sharing your experience, my fish are far from being saved at the moment but your post has clarified the course of action.
I'm so confused as there are so many opinions but the most prevalent one is to move the fish and treat. Guess there's risk either way, but qting everything going forward is a no brainer!
Very sorry for your losses!
 
meowzer

meowzer

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I am very glad that this helped you.......I can tell you this....the set up of the QT...and the hypo process has gone very well so far...altho I only have the one fish, just follow the instructions in the section on QT...and you will do fine
REMEMBER......if you leave your tank empty of fish for long enough,.,....you SHOULD eradicate the parasite
 
bubblegurl

bubblegurl

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Good to hear the goby is doing well! My coral beauty does not look good, but is eating and swimming. I got home, read your thread, going to eat then out we go to grab a tank. I can tell you, either way for both of us, this sucks!
 
beth

beth

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bubblegurl http:///t/387603/do-not-do-as-meowzer-did/200#post_3420646
I'm so confused as there are so many opinions but the most prevalent one is to move the fish and treat. Guess there's risk either way, but qting everything going forward is a no brainer!
Very sorry for your losses!
While some things in this topic is confusing due to so many opinions here, don't feel daunted. It is really fairly simple, straight-forward. As meow can atest to by now.
Check out
https://forums.saltwaterfish.com/wiki/hyposalinity
 
bubblegurl

bubblegurl

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Hi Beth, I would do the hypo unfortunately I'm going out of town in 2 days and can not leave this to my daughter to coninue. I'm going to have to treat with copper and if required start hypo when I'm back on Monday. I just want to get these guys better, timing absolutely sucks!
 
beth

beth

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If you have a well established QT, then that plan is ok. You are supposed to check copper daily, as you also check hypo daily.
If you do not have a well established QT, then hypo is the only viable option.
 
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tizzo

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Meow, sorry about your loss!! that so sucks!!
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Originally Posted by Flower http:///t/387603/do-not-do-as-meowzer-did#post_3411655
I'm crying with you....I don't know about ich...I know sea horses don't get it..
Flower... Oh yes they do! Rare, but they do.
http://www.google.com/imgres?q=seahorses+cryptocaryon&um=1&hl=en&client=safari&rls=en&biw=2221&bih=1173&tbm=isch&tbnid=Dbkz2FXUkq_4GM:&imgrefurl=http://www.seahorse.org/library/articles/diseaseguide/diseaseguide.shtml&docid=l9QxEgBoHg25oM&w=200&h=231&ei=kkaCTsT5Jsa2twem9cTrAQ&zoom=1&iact=hc&dur=657&page=1&tbnh=155&tbnw=134&start=0&ndsp=67&ved=1t:429,r:1,s:0&tx=87&ty=101&vpx=336&vpy=223&hovh=184&hovw=160
 
bubblegurl

bubblegurl

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If you have a well established QT, then that plan is ok. You are supposed to check copper daily, as you also check hypo daily.

If you do not have a well established QT, then hypo is the only viable option.
This is not an established qt tank, it was set up last night. Hypo is not an option as we were to go away tomorrow for 5 days, therefore we picked up some copper and followed tangs rule's thread to set up. We then stuck the net in the tank and everyone hid. We tried for a bit then left them alone. I have read as much as I can about ich and treatments and have made the decision to treat in my tank. I'm feeding with garlic and selcon in addition.
I have read both sides of the argument to remove ich from the tank and that all fish have it. I believe pulling all my lr out of my tank last week to catch 2 fish I sold is the reason my fish were stressed therefore the reason for my outbreak. I do not intend to pull my tank apart to catch them to put in the qt tank, stress them and potentially kill them.
I have read through many posts on this forum and most are of the opinion to hypo the fish as treatment so I am sure this post will not receive favorable feedback. I was in tears last night trying to figure out what the best thing to do was and after speaking with someone today who I trust very much, this is the course of action I am going to take.
I now have a qt tank for any future fish but that wont be for a very long time. I have not meant to hijack this thread, my apologies Meowzer! This forum has been extremely helpful and I have taken all the advice given to date and everyone says to research, research research and that is what I've done in the short period of time I have to deal with this. Either way, the chances of losing a fish to either treatment is a great possibility, I feel this way gives my one fish the best chance at this time.
 
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